Posted on 08/06/2006 4:40:27 PM PDT by NYer
Hardline Islamic insurgent groups in Iraq are targeting a new type of victim with the full protection of Iraqi law, The Observer can reveal. The country is seeing a sudden escalation of brutal attacks on what are being called the 'immorals' - homosexual men and children as young as 11 who have been forced into same-sex prostitution.
There is growing evidence that Shia militias have been killing men suspected of being gay and children who have been sold to criminal gangs to be sexually abused. The threat has led to a rapid increase in the numbers of Iraqi homosexuals now seeking asylum in the UK because it has become impossible for them to live safely in their own country.
Ali Hili runs the Iraqi LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) group out of London. He used to have 40 volunteers in Iraq but says after recent raids by militia in Najaf, Karbala and Basra he has lost contact with half of them. They move to different safe houses to protect their identities, but their work is incredibly dangerous.
Eleven-year-old Ameer Hasoon al-Hasani was kidnapped by policemen from the front of his house last month. He was known in his district to have been forced into prostitution. His father Hassan told me he searched for his son for three days after his abduction, then found him, shot in the head. A copy of the death certificate confirms the cause of death.
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Graphic photos obtained from Baghdad sources too frightened to identify themselves as having known a gay man, and seen by the Observer, show other gay Iraqis who have been executed. One shows two men, suspected of having a relationship, blindfolded with their hands tied behind their backs - guns at the ready behind their heads - awaiting execution. Another picture captured on a mobile phone shows a gay man being beaten to death. Yet another shows a corpse being dragged through the streets after his execution.
One photograph is of the mutilated, burnt body of 38-year-old Karar Oda from Sadr City. He was kidnapped by the Badr Brigade in mid-June. They work with the Ministry of Interior and are the informal armed wing of the Supreme Council of Islamic Revolution in Iraq, who make up the largest Shia bloc in the Iraq parliament. Oda's family were given an arrest warrant signed by the Ministry of Interior which said their son deserved to be arrested and killed for immorality as a homosexual. His body was found ten days later.
OMG! They will probably be invited here if they promise to vote "politically correctly".
"Homosexuality is seen as so immoral that it qualifies as an 'honour killing' to murder someone who is gay - and the perpetrator can escape punishment. Section 111 of Iraq's penal code lays out protections for murder when people are acting against Islam."
They also do this to women that get pregnant out of wedlock, drug abusers, thieves and any women who have an abortion.
But it is ok to have sex with little boys.
This world is so screweed up.
Just one question...wouldn't it be more beneficial to hunt down the members of the criminal gangs who were doing the abusing?
Or is this too logical for muslims? Talk about killing the messenger..
Certainly will cut down the number of future "suicide" bombers, won't it?
Since the article is about gays being murdered and their murder is seen as an honor killing for which the murderer won't be punished, I don't quite see your point.
I thought men having sex with boys was a way of life in the mideast - which is why they all grow up so concerned about "humiliation" - they were "humiliated" systematically when they were kids. I'll bet all those sheikhs, imams and mullahs are some of the worst offenders. Strange people.
Perhaps I'm being paranoid...but, a new way to get sleeper cells into the west quickly?
Q. "Just cause?"
A. "Yeah. Just cause I felt like it."
NO cheers, unfortunately.
In this culture, males sexually penetrating males becomes a manifestation of male power, conferring a status of hyper-masculinity. It is considered to have nothing to do with homosexuality. An unmarried man who has sex with boys is simply doing what men do. As the scholar Bruce Dunne has demonstrated, sex in Islamic societies is not about mutuality between partners, but about the adult male's achievement of pleasure through violent domination.
There is silence around this issue. It is the silence that legitimizes sexual violence against women, such as honor crimes and female circumcision. It is also the silence that forces victimized Arab boys into invisibility. Even though the society does not see their sexual exploitation as being humiliating, the psychological and emotional scars that result from their subordination, powerlessness and humiliation is a given. Traumatized by the violation of their dignity and manliness, they spend the rest of their lives trying to get it back.
The problem is that trying to recover from sexual abuse, and to recapture one’s own shattered masculinity, is quite an ordeal in a culture where women are hated and love is interpreted as hegemonic control.
With women out of touch – and out of sight -- until marriage, males experience pre-marital sex only in the confines of being with other males. Their sexual outlet mostly includes victimizing younger males – just the way they were victimized.
In all of these circumstances, the idea of love is removed from men's understanding of sexuality. Like the essence of Arab masculinity, it is reduced to hurting others by violence. A gigantic rupture develops between men and women, where no harmony, affection or equality is allowed to exist. In relationships between men, meanwhile, affection, solidarity and empathy are left out of the picture. They threaten the hyper-masculine order.
It is excruciating to imagine the sexual confusion, humiliation, and repression that evolve in the mindsets of males in this culture. But it is no surprise that many of these males find their only avenue for gratification in the act of humiliating the foreign "enemy," whose masculinity must be violated at all costs – as theirs once was.
Violating the masculinity of the enemy necessitates the dishing out of severe violence against him. In the recent terrorist strikes, therefore, violence against Americans served as a much-needed release of the terrorists’ bottled-up sexual rage. Moreover, it served as a desperate and pathological testament of the re-masculinization of their emasculated selves.
Source=http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=246
Q. "Just cause?"
A. "Yeah. Just cause I felt like it."
NO cheers, unfortunately.
This Guardian reporter is to be commended. He/She was shown a photograph originating in the Mideast and reported as fact not only the photograph but also the 'fact' that these men were soon to be executed. How inept can MSM get?
It's a totalitarian society. Those in power are not subject to punishment. The sheiks and mullahs routinely troll for little boys as the objects of their homosexual satisfaction. Once violated, it is perfectly permissible to execute the victims of the homosexual activity. A former co-worker who served in Saudi Arabia said his base commander restricted all troops to the base while the local sheik was trolling for new victims. The sheik and his buddies would drive out of town to a local establishment where they could drink and gamble in a private room...out of the public eye. Islamic piety is the height of hypocrisy.
At last!
An issue the left can get behind! ;^)
"Since the article is about gays being murdered and their murder is seen as an honor killing for which the murderer won't be punished, I don't quite see your point."
I guess my point is Radical Islam looks at gays, drug abusers and other "moral crimes" as a pock on society.
In this article it only used gays. Could have been anything. I submit that the reason we are hated so much by Islam is not Judeo/Christian values, but a breakdown in them by a segment of our society. Basically, Radical Islam hate liberals but need liberalism to breakdown our society enough to suit their objectives.
It makes for kind of a low turnout for the Baghdad Gay Pride Festival, huh?
See- this is what makes it so hard. One day you think it's the Shia that are nuts..next day you turn around and see that it's the Sunni.
Tough call who's more depraved.
"Homosexuality is seen as so immoral that it qualifies as an 'honour killing' to murder someone who is gay - and the perpetrator can escape punishment. Section 111 of Iraq's penal code lays out protections for murder when people are acting against Islam."
I suggest we cede a portion of some upper California coastal bay areas to them to buy theyr friendship!
Yes, but considering the experience you have, you must know how maddening it is to try to discuss this with one of those folks. They smile and say 'No, you don't understand," and "Ah but you have such people here, too," completely sidestepping the very foundations of their society being so hidden, and denied.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=246
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Thanks for the info. This also opens some exciting possibilities on how to wage war against the sandmaggots.
My suspicion is that a Gay Pride festival would be safe (safety in numbers and probably strong police / security present) - but people coming out of bars known to be frequented by gay people - or in the gay areas of town who look to be gay - would be targets for sure.
Kinda makes you wonder what will happen in some of those European countries who are liberal when it comes to Immigration policy and sexual morality when the percentage of the Muslim population increases enough...
I believe everything in the media- for as long as they tell me to believe it.
Then I believe the next thing.
And the next...
You don't think that's a pretty cold thing to say?
Well, I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally, I'd take the side of the gay Iraqi's over Shia death squads every day of the week. At least the gays probably don't want to kill me. For the Shia religious goons, it ain't just the homosexuals on the death list - we infidels aren't far behind.
So is the requested asylum being granted? The last paragraph makes it sound unlikely.(?)
I didnt know if being persecuted because you were a sodomite was grounds for admition into the UK? (Hopefully not. and that goes double for the U.S.!!)
Flip a coin. It's such a close call it doesn't matter much - both groups will inevitably want to kill us anyway.
We are higher on the list than that. If an Iraqi death squad had you and a gay muslem standing front of them, I can tell you most certainly whos head would be the first on the block.
No I don't. As a matter of fact, I think all funding for AIDS should be terminated...and let it play out. Doing so might instill a sense of urgency within the gay community to change their uncommon habits. I have no tolerance for that type of behavior.
I would say incredibly dangerous is an understatement, if AIDS don't get them bullets do.
This is pretty sad stuff. Very prolific in Afghanistan.
"Queers Die for the Muslim Guys"--but the liberals here wouldn't defend the gays there--Bush lied about everything and the WOT is a waste of time. /sarc off
i have never been able to figure out why liberal won't stand up for the women and gays of the middle east -- they see them as an entirely different class of people that don't deserve the benefits they themselves have.
More justification and enabling of heinous behavior by backward arabs. While I'm not debating the accuracy of the article you referenced, in fact I think it's probably very true, I am rejecting the backward mindset and culture that condones and enables such behavior.
Islam is a lie and a disease. It is a cult that thrives and lives only by repression and deception. Muslim cycle of violence will never end until they are forced to acknowlege how they contribute to their own problems and do something about it.
And the west is in no hurry to help them in that enlightenment, of course. (rolling eyes)
At our own peril.
good link in post 25
What an interesting article that is. So sex with other men isn't considered homosexuality in their culture; convenient that men make the terms and are clearly in denial about their activities with other men.
A woman I know visited her daughter who was in the Peace Corp in Morroco. After returning home the woman stated that the grown males she encountered had the psychosexual development of 13 year olds.
They had to be extremely careful to not go out in public without completely drying her hair after a shower. If their hair was damp it would be assumed by the locals that they'd just had sex.
Some poster here on FR was telling about how a supervisor they once had went berserko because the poster was lefthanded. Wouldn't accept things being handed by that poster, wouldn't speak to him etc.
Now this widespread travesty with boys. No wonder they're so messed up.
I don't know. Somehow I cannot muster much sympathy.
Wet hair? Left handed? They really are nuts. Full blown psychotic.
I believe the left-hand thing has to do with toilet etiquette
(they don't use toilet paper or western toilets over there) so the left hand is considered unclean, not because of sexual reasons.
Although most people condemn the Islamic view of women, it is actually much the same as the view of men. They are mere domesticated animals in the service of Allah, blameless of sexual aggression because it is impossible for them to know better. Thus the women are punished for "secuction" if they expose an ankle, but what does this say about the men? Helpless, rutting dogs, is what is says. Incapable of a platonic or respectful relationship with a woman.
And note the moral depravity of saying it's OK to do it with teens you can overpower, but when a mutual relationship between male adults develops, its grounds for execution. Sick. But ignored by my gay Bush-hating friend.
Those familiar with the works of Walker Percy know that human females are much different from all other large mammels. They are sexually receptive at all times instead of just periodically when fertile. Islam has made a huge mistake in equating humans to animals, enabling a culture of sexual deparavity.
PFLR
It is also important to note that after the cute boy gets hair, he is of little interest to the older molesters.
He is told that he is unclean, and fit only to be murdered, but there is a way out: to go become a jihadi.
Yassar Arafat, born in Cairo, was caught "in the act" and was told that he would be stoned to death, or he could go be a terrorist. Since he did have some rudimentary skill in accounting, he agreed to become a terrorist paymaster. As such, he could get a ready supply of young boys for his delectation, and when he tired of them, he could enlist them into the fedayeen, into Al Fatah, into The martyrs brigades, or what ever was the latest name for these poor abused children.
Islamic child molestation is the breeding ground for Islamic suicide bombers.
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