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Military Officers Attempted a Coup in Iraq
New York Sun ^ | August 7 2006 | ELI LAKE

Posted on 08/06/2006 11:10:15 PM PDT by jmc1969

The government of Iraq is secretly holding a Baathist cabal of military officers it claims attempted a coup against Prime Minister al-Maliki.

The plotters were rounded up July 5 with the help of American military authorities after the Iraqi government's security warning center sent word to Mr. Maliki, who was in Kuwait on his first official visit as head of state, two highly placed Iraqi sources said.

The prime minister quickly canceled a scheduled trip to Amman, Jordan, and returned to Baghdad to attend to the matter. At the time, Mr. Maliki's staff told reporters that the prime minister was cutting his trip short because of Iraq's "security situation."

In an interview last night, an adviser to Mr. Maliki and a member of parliament in Baghdad, Mithal al-Alusi, said a coup attempt indeed took place last month. He said the mutinous attempt to replace the elected government of Iraq was organized by military officers loyal to Saddam Hussein.

"The Baathists were trying to have this coup, and people have been arrested and it has been stopped. There have been a lot of rumors as to who is behind this," Mr. Alusi said, referring to speculation that the plot may have involved a former interim prime minister, Ayad Allawi, whose men worked with the CIA in 1995 to oust Saddam in a military coup.

But Mr. Alusi said Mr. Allawi was not behind the coup attempt. "I have seen the file and their pictures and I can say that this is not Ayad Allawi. These people were in the system, but they are not well-known," he said.

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1 posted on 08/06/2006 11:10:17 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

haha...dont you need a military for a coup?


2 posted on 08/06/2006 11:17:07 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: jmc1969

Wow, that's pretty nutty. Did they expect the Americans would just sit there and do nothing while they installed another Baathist regime?


3 posted on 08/06/2006 11:18:53 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
Did they expect the Americans would just sit there and do nothing while they installed another Baathist regime?

Probably expected us to be distracted with a Syria/Iranian sponsored terror event somewhere else.

So, what happened a month ago...???

4 posted on 08/06/2006 11:24:32 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: jmc1969

Saddam thinks he's so clever. ;-)


5 posted on 08/06/2006 11:26:11 PM PDT by Allegra (FReeping LIVE! from "the other war zone.")
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To: jmc1969

To think the U.S. would allow this requires an incredible level of stupidity.

I have to wonder if the story itself is true. If not, was it made up completely, or is it a cover story for something else?


6 posted on 08/06/2006 11:27:10 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: EternalHope

This isn't the first we have heard of it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1674100/posts


7 posted on 08/06/2006 11:34:55 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: coconutt2000

A month ago? Uh-oh, did I tell you I'd do something a month ago?


8 posted on 08/06/2006 11:35:06 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: jmc1969

And to think the Left says we made our big mistake in Iraq by not allowing the Baathist generals to continue to run the Army in 2003. We caused the insurgency by putting the Iraqi Army out on the street. They say we could have had our troops home by now if we had just trusted the Iraqi Army to perform security for us.


9 posted on 08/06/2006 11:38:36 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: jmc1969

I guess this explains the US Forces in Baghdad.


10 posted on 08/06/2006 11:41:13 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: EternalHope
I have to wonder if the story itself is true. If not, was it made up completely, or is it a cover story for something else?

Wow, who knows what to believe any more. I'm so confused!

11 posted on 08/06/2006 11:49:18 PM PDT by Wiggins
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To: Cindy; Fedora; Shermy
This tidbit was buried in the article:

This week, a London-based organization founded by a former British MI6 officer, the Conflicts Forum, issued a report that said coup plotters met in June in Damascus at the same time American forces assassinated Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
"The Damascus group included some of the more well known lights of the former Baathist regime, who fled the country on the eve of the war, to take up residence in Qatar, Jordan and other nearby countries," the report said.
The Conflicts Forum seeks to open political dialogue between Western governments and political Islamist parties such as the Muslim Brotherhood and Hezbollah.

Oh, great, does this mean more political dialogue to legitimize terror groups?
12 posted on 08/06/2006 11:53:38 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: tinamina

Good point. Just today some silly DUfus suggested reinstalling Saddam Hussein.


13 posted on 08/06/2006 11:57:40 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

please don't try to understand the thinking of these people.

It will only make your head hurt.


14 posted on 08/06/2006 11:59:43 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: GoLightly

I had a conversation with a guy the other day that suggested that Iraqis were better off with Sadaam. The conversation ended at that point and I started doing something more productive right away.


15 posted on 08/07/2006 12:00:13 AM PDT by Textide
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To: piasa
It's common sense not to negotiate with terrorists.
If the terrorists were lobbing in rockets or missiles
into this country; I KNOW Bush/Rice, Israel, etc, would
NOT suggest sitting down to tea and crumpets for a
little session of diplomacy and dialog.
16 posted on 08/07/2006 12:01:43 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: jmc1969
shoot Saddam , withdraw all forces, nuke the damn place after the last flight is wheels up and out.
17 posted on 08/07/2006 12:05:50 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Textide
The conversation ended at that point and I started doing something more productive right away.

Yup. Can't cure someone of that kind of stupidity.

18 posted on 08/07/2006 12:07:07 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: jmc1969
a Baathist cabal of military officers
The sooner Hussein is executed and fed to the pigs, the better. Bonus suggestion: air drop the pigs afterwards on Tehran.
19 posted on 08/07/2006 12:14:53 AM PDT by peyton randolph (No man knows the day nor the hour of The Coming of The Great White Handkerchief.)
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To: Textide
I'm not a big supporter of that theory, but it may have it's merits. One thing I can say is that I don't think the U.S. was better off with Hussein in power.

It seems to me that Iran and Syria are playing the spoiler not only in Lebanon, but in Iraq as well. If we could get the people of Iran to rise up and throw out the Mullah rule, and hopefully bring in the Shah's son, we'd probably have a lot less trouble in Iraq.

The same basically goes for Syria. If we cleaned up that rat's nest, from Lebanon to Afghanistan and even into Pakistan would be a lot more peaceful.

As it is, I think the destabalizers are get a rather easy ride of it. Iran and Syria practice treachery with impunity, and I think that's a mistake.

Let them pay heavily for what they are doing. Kick some ass and see if things shape up.
20 posted on 08/07/2006 12:16:49 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: jmc1969

Sunni's making a move. Very interesting.


21 posted on 08/07/2006 12:19:30 AM PDT by Pro-Bush ("A nation without borders is not a nation." President Reagan)
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To: peyton randolph

The biggest mistake of Iraqi Freedom is that a hand grenade wasn't tossed down Saddam's spider hole first. Not killing Saddam on site, what, two+ years ago now, has cost the lives of hundreds of American and coalition soldiers. As long as Saddam is alive his loyalists (a percentage of the insurgency) still think their is a chance that he will come back to power and will keep trying to disrupt the current government by attacking our troops, the Iraqi military and their police.


22 posted on 08/07/2006 12:35:37 AM PDT by ajolympian2004
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

Yeah, these guys weren't very bright were they?


23 posted on 08/07/2006 3:28:13 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: jmc1969

Are these the same Baath Party Military leaders that the US should have made use of instead of barring them??


24 posted on 08/07/2006 5:48:12 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Pro-Bush

I think there is a connection between the SUnnis making a move and the announcement last week or so that the US troops would not be needed after the end of the year. I do not remember which Iraqi official said it, but I wonder if the plan was to get this over with now by the Iraqis by cleaning up their own house in their own way.

That would be consistent with the US needing its troops freed up in the event of an escalation of the war to include Syria.


25 posted on 08/07/2006 6:35:47 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: jmc1969
The government of Iraq is secretly holding a Baathist cabal of military officers it claims attempted a coup against Prime Minister al-Maliki.

Gee, maybe disbanding the military wasn't the huge mistake pundits have made it out to be.

26 posted on 08/07/2006 6:37:01 AM PDT by dirtboy (Why does Israel take border security seriously but we do not, when Islamists wish us both harm?)
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To: jmc1969
All the more reason to execute and cremate Saddam swiftly and scatter his miserable ashes over some remote crevice in the Himalayas.

As long as he lives, there are always die-hards ready to fight, sacrifice, revolt or connive for him. They hope to revive their glory days when he was their leader.

Their hopes must be stifled with the lawful but quick execution of the Beast of Baghdad.

Leni

27 posted on 08/07/2006 6:44:27 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Israel Holds Firm !................No Retreat means No Repeat !)
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To: tinamina

I feel certain Reed, Kennedy, clinton, Kerry, Biden, et al are saddened ... especially Biden, since he appears to have had some sort of early warning of a coup coming with his continuous insistence on civil war in Iraq.


28 posted on 08/07/2006 6:51:49 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: LibWhacker

"Wow, that's pretty nutty. Did they expect the Americans would just sit there and do nothing while they installed another Baathist regime?"

Baathists hate Iranians and they despise Shiites. The Iranian/Syrian connection is a farce. Syria has basically given up their country to Iran in exchange for Iran not destroying them with radical shiite extremists.

Basically, the Syrians are wussies. They are the key to peace in the middle east because they are the road that Iran takes to get to Israel. Block the road and the Iranians have no where to go.

That is the isolation that needs to take place.


29 posted on 08/07/2006 7:11:35 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: jmc1969

Saddam et al must be executed immediately to end this action. As long as Saddam is alive, some will fear his return and act on his behalf.

There is no other course except death.


30 posted on 08/07/2006 7:14:13 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: tinamina

"And to think the Left says we made our big mistake in Iraq by not allowing the Baathist generals to continue to run the Army in 2003. We caused the insurgency by putting the Iraqi Army out on the street. They say we could have had our troops home by now if we had just trusted the Iraqi Army to perform security for us."

That is one of stupidest arguments liberals make, I have to say. Yeah, lets just keep the military in place that was in charge of the rape rooms, firing squads, and secret police. Baathists loyal to Saddam Hussein, not to mention their hatred of the Great Satan. I'm sure they would have been great to work with during the invasion. Utter B.S.


31 posted on 08/07/2006 8:11:08 AM PDT by FarRightFanatic
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To: peyton randolph

Uh oh....those ASPCA cops will be a hunting you down for suggesting that we feed such filth to those poor innocent pigs, not to mention dropping them into a place where they would be so unloved.


32 posted on 08/07/2006 9:05:03 AM PDT by GLH3IL (What's good for America is bad for liberals.)
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To: piasa
founded by a former British MI6 officer

This looks to be Alistair Cooke (spelled "Alastair" on some links):

Conflicts Forum was founded by Alastair Crooke, a trained negotiator and Mark Perry, a military, intelligence and foreign affairs analyst and writer. Both men have extensive experience in conflict resolution and negotiation. For example, Mr. Cooke and Mr. Perry negotiated the end of the Church of Nativity siege in Bethlehem in 2002, and helped facilitate the Palestinian ceasefires of 2002 and 2003. Mr. Crooke was also a staff member of the Mitchell Committee that inquired into the causes of the intifada (2000–2001). Conflicts Forum is funded by donations from individuals and businesses in the United States and the Middle East who believe that dialogue and mutual understanding is the way forward. It has had a good start and, in conjunction with other events transpiring in the Middle East, Vanessa feels that it will have an impact on U.S. policy.

Interview with former MI6 agent

Alastair Crooke is a former official with Britain's MI6 intelligence agency and I have picked up this recent interview with al-jazeera that makes fascinating reading. Considering his previous position it is probably fair to presume that his view mirrors that of MI6 and therefore makes the interview more interesting still. . .Alastair spent many years in the Arab and Muslim world and engaged in dialogue with Hamas and Hizb Allah, as well as facing paramilitary forces and drug cartels in Latin America and militias in Africa. During this time, Crooke helped end the Israeli siege of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem in 2002 and worked to mediate the summer 2003 ceasefire between Palestinian armed groups and Israeli forces.

33 posted on 08/07/2006 2:53:11 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
haha...dont you need a military for a coup?

No.

34 posted on 08/07/2006 4:34:40 PM PDT by JavaTheHutt (I'm JavaTheHutt, and I approve of this message.)
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To: dirtboy
Gee, maybe disbanding the military wasn't the huge mistake pundits have made it out to be.

Yep. There is a trend in self-aggrandizing, dishonest journalism to dismiss the choice of the lesser of two evils and conclude that the greater one would have led to paradise instead. Real life doesn't work like that.

35 posted on 08/07/2006 4:43:16 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Fedora

Thanks!


36 posted on 08/08/2006 1:03:36 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: ChadGore
I guess this explains the US Forces in Baghdad.

Actually, there are a lot of reasons the U.S. forces in Baghdad have increased.

There's a lot of trouble in this town that needs to be cleaned up.

There have been a lot of threats made recently as well.

37 posted on 08/08/2006 1:17:25 AM PDT by Allegra (FReeping LIVE! from "the other war zone.")
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