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N.Korea claims capture of U.S. submersible(or torpedo?)
AP ^ | 08/07/06 | KWANG-TAE KIM

Posted on 08/07/2006 4:43:12 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

N.Korea claims capture of U.S. submersible

By KWANG-TAE KIM, Associated Press Writer

1 hour, 36 minutes ago

North Korea claimed it has captured an unmanned U.S. submersible and put it on display in Pyongyang, a pro-North Korean newspaper in Japan said Monday. The U.S. dismissed the report.

The small vessel was captured during a reconnaissance mission in waters off North Korea's eastern city of Hamhung, said the Choson Sinbo newspaper, which is published by a pro-North Korean association linked to the Pyongyang government.

The newspaper report on its Web site, which is monitored in Seoul, was accompanied by a picture purported to be of the black torpedo-shaped U.S. vessel. There were no further details as to when or how North Korea obtained it.

A spokesman for the U.S. military in South Korea, David Oten, dismissed the report.

"We have nothing unaccounted for and there is no way for us to verify that this is a U.S. vessel," Oten said.

Last September, North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il instructed officials to put the captured vessel on public display next to the spy ship USS Pueblo, which the communist regime seized along with its crew of 82 in 1968, the newspaper said. The crew was released after 11 months.

The Pueblo, moored to the bank of the Taedong River in Pyongyang, is now the site of tours to inspire anti-U.S. sentiment among the country's 23 million people. Some 1,500 North Koreans made daily visits to the Pueblo during a recent month-long, anti-U.S. rally period, said the newspaper.

Despite repeated U.S. assurances that it has no intention of attacking the North, the communist country frequently claims that Washington seeks to invade it and that the U.S. is driving tensions on the Korean Peninsula to the brink of war.

The North recently raised regional tensions by test-launching seven missiles, including a new long-range model believed capable of reaching the U.S. that failed shortly after takeoff.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 200608; 20060806; capture; display; hamhung; maritimesecurity; nk; nkorea; northkorea; submarine; submersible; torpedo; unmanned; us; usn; usspueblo
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The alleged captured submersible

It looks like a torpedo.

Any Navy types out there who can identify this object?

1 posted on 08/07/2006 4:43:13 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; OahuBreeze; yonif; risk; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 08/07/2006 4:43:47 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

"We have nothing unaccounted for and there is no way for us to verify that this is a U.S. vessel," Oten said.




But he apparently doesn't deny that we have them operating in the area. Hmmmm...


3 posted on 08/07/2006 4:45:43 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Now that I think of it, it makes no sense. If we had unmanned submerisibles operating in the area, they would be designed to self destruct rather than be captured.


4 posted on 08/07/2006 4:47:46 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Wouldn't it literally be the "bomb" if it was actually a cleverly disguised nuke torpedo. One with a delayed timer on it.
It looks like a recon torp, but I am no expert.


5 posted on 08/07/2006 4:49:58 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It doesn't look like any of these....


6 posted on 08/07/2006 4:53:38 AM PDT by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Some 1,500 North Koreans made daily visits to the Pueblo during a recent month-long, anti-U.S. rally period, and the government had its hands full preventing visitors from trying to eat everything in sight, said the newspaper.

There. Fixed.

7 posted on 08/07/2006 4:56:55 AM PDT by martin_fierro (What's a "Proportionate Response" to Asymmetrical Warfare?)
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To: Eye of Unk

"It looks like a recon torp, but I am no expert."

Perhaps you could enlighten us with just a little experience on what a 'recon torp' might be.

I think you're chatting, advisedly speaking, through your hat.


8 posted on 08/07/2006 5:00:59 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: martin_fierro
Some 1,500 North Koreans made daily visits to the Pueblo during a recent month-long, anti-U.S. rally period, and the government had its hands full preventing visitors from trying to eat everything in sight, said the newspaper.

There. Fixed.

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Almost, but not quite:

"Some 1,500 North Koreans -- lured by the promise of a steamed dumpling each -- made daily visits to the Pueblo during a recent month-long, anti-U.S. rally period, and the government had its hands full preventing visitors from trying to eat everything in sight, said the newspaper.

There we go! Now its fixed.

9 posted on 08/07/2006 5:03:42 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Reporter: What kind of torpedo is it?

Johnny: Oh, it's a big pretty black torpedo with curly fins, a flat nose, propellers, and it just looks like a big ....

10 posted on 08/07/2006 5:15:53 AM PDT by martin_fierro (What's a "Proportionate Response" to Asymmetrical Warfare?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Oh, that's what happened to our 'DOOMSDAY' torpedo. Hope they don't try and open it!


11 posted on 08/07/2006 5:22:37 AM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If it were a recon torpedo I would think the first thing the N. Koreans would have done was try to get into the thing to see how it works. If they did that they would be displaying the scientific instruments they took from it as proof of what the thing was.

Just an opinion ---not a fact.


12 posted on 08/07/2006 5:26:44 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

bttt


13 posted on 08/07/2006 5:38:41 AM PDT by xone
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To: TigerLikesRooster

14 posted on 08/07/2006 5:43:22 AM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel: MISSING WHITE GIRL NETWORK)
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To: Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; Bottom_Gun; Dog Gone; ..
What do you think?


15 posted on 08/07/2006 6:02:17 AM PDT by SmithL (The fact that they can't find Hoffa is proof that he never existed.)
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To: SmithL

It would be "interesting" to see how long that "concrete" and cut stone and grout around the display case have been in place.


16 posted on 08/07/2006 6:04:56 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Lining up for dumplings at the Pueblo!!

"Hey! Where's the kochujan you promised??"

17 posted on 08/07/2006 6:14:10 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (A few clever bones tossed on gay unions, flag burning & Iraq still don't absolve GWB over BORDERS)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

So what is it then?


18 posted on 08/07/2006 6:41:28 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I will never understand how we let North Korea get away with this.


19 posted on 08/07/2006 6:46:48 AM PDT by longhorn too
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To: SmithL

Kim Jong-Il: "We captured it. The big rong missre. But it's ticking and we don't know why."


20 posted on 08/07/2006 6:48:25 AM PDT by RockinRight (She rocks my world, and I rock her world.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Yep, that is a torpedo from 1958.


21 posted on 08/07/2006 7:03:30 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Re #21

That old? Must be something N. Korean fishermen got in their net while fishing crabs.:)

22 posted on 08/07/2006 7:14:23 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: edpc; TigerLikesRooster
It doesn't look like any of these....

Just wait for the Reuters story, it'll look exactly like one of those.

23 posted on 08/07/2006 7:23:54 AM PDT by SmithL (The fact that they can't find Hoffa is proof that he never existed.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It looks like one from an old episode of Gilligan's Island.


24 posted on 08/07/2006 7:24:49 AM PDT by Puddleglum (If the great cathedrals were built today, they would be shoddy and over-budget)
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To: sgtbono2002
If it were a recon torpedo I would think the first thing the N. Koreans would have done was try to get into the thing to see how it works. If they did that they would be displaying the scientific instruments they took from it as proof of what the thing was.

That would be assuming the were competent enough to properly utilize simple hand tools.

25 posted on 08/07/2006 7:58:04 AM PDT by EricT. (SpecOps needs to paint the NYT building with a targeting laser.)
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To: F15Eagle

What is what, a 'recon torp?' A fanciful hypothetical born of too many video games. The photograph? An otherwise unidentified ostensible torpedo.


26 posted on 08/07/2006 8:14:45 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
That is NOT an Unmanned Underwater Vehicle (UUV)
Looks like a very old torpedo (50s-60s era)
27 posted on 08/07/2006 8:28:26 AM PDT by RetiredSWO
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

http://gulliver.trb.org/conferences/MB/spring04/Navy-1.pdf


28 posted on 08/07/2006 8:29:58 AM PDT by RetiredSWO
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

The photograph was what I was asking. Thought maybe you had other information on what exactly it was.


29 posted on 08/07/2006 8:30:41 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It is probably a NK mockup of one of their failed attempts at creating b/s.


30 posted on 08/07/2006 8:43:48 AM PDT by MarshallDillon (www.indytexans.org)
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To: SmithL
LOL!!

Just wait for the Reuters story, it'll look exactly like one of those.

31 posted on 08/07/2006 8:49:03 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Hey, look man, I didn't mean to shoot the son of a b!tch. The gun went off. I don't know why.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It's a Ronery Torpedo.


32 posted on 08/07/2006 8:51:18 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: F15Eagle

A black tube shape on a NK news site? Do you know what is 'credulity?' How 'bout a failure of scepticism.


33 posted on 08/07/2006 9:22:52 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com; FrPR
Lighten up Huffman.

I personally saw the "Recon Torpedo" on the History Channel. The show was " Hitler's Secret Nazi Wonder Weapons of 1957"

34 posted on 08/07/2006 9:45:11 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The W Legacy: $5 Gas, 100 Million Mexicans, Hillary (or worse) for President.)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

Skeptical, yes. But if someone thinks it's "cobbled together" from something it would be nice to have something to compare it to. If nothing looks like it, fine.


35 posted on 08/07/2006 9:49:30 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Kenny Bunk

lol


36 posted on 08/07/2006 9:51:54 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: martin_fierro

Johnny, how about some coffee?


37 posted on 08/07/2006 9:57:20 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: Kenny Bunk
Guess they tried a UAV from a torpedo a long time ago though ...

The US Navy has studyied the feasibility of operating VTOL UAVs since the early 1960s, the QH-50 Gyrodyne torpedo-delivery drone being an early example. However, high cost and technological immaturity have precluded acquiring and fielding operational VTOL UAV systems.

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/uav.htm

And one for mine reconnaissance ... look at the prop and fins ... and referenced with a 688 sub ...



Near-term Mine Reconnaissance System [NMRS]

The Near-term Mine Reconnaissance System [NMRS] is being installed on various platforms, including the SSN-688 Los Angeles atttack submarines.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/nmrs.htm
38 posted on 08/07/2006 9:57:36 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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39 posted on 08/07/2006 9:58:37 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Eye of Unk

fyi


40 posted on 08/07/2006 9:59:16 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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If the NK's faked one, then this is what they must have based it on ...


41 posted on 08/07/2006 10:00:43 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It looks like the Hunley!


The South Shall Rise Again, and overthrow that rittle rownrey guy!!!


42 posted on 08/07/2006 10:03:09 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (God Bless the United States of America and all that defend her hard earned freedom!)
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The South Shall Rise Again,

Maybe so, but good luck on recruiting the 4th crew for the Hunley.

43 posted on 08/07/2006 10:10:42 AM PDT by SmithL (The fact that they can't find Hoffa is proof that he never existed.)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
What is what, a 'recon torp?' A fanciful hypothetical born of too many video games. The photograph? An otherwise unidentified ostensible torpedo.

Perhaps not as hypothetical as you suggest.
44 posted on 08/07/2006 10:13:43 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: F15Eagle

Why don't you and Kenny Bunco have a nice chat together?


45 posted on 08/07/2006 10:36:50 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: EricT.

If they can put a missile together, even one that only flies a few miles ,and they can build a nuclear weapon, we have to assume they can figure a way into this thing.


46 posted on 08/07/2006 10:37:40 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Maybe it's a WWII leftover from the Japanese navy...... they probably based some stuff in Korea, which was under their control.......


47 posted on 08/07/2006 10:56:30 AM PDT by Enchante (Democrats do want to see victory in the War on Terror.......just not for our side........)
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To: EricT.; sgtbono2002; dhuffman@awod.com; F15Eagle; TigerLikesRooster; RetiredSWO; MarshallDillon
......NKs competent enough to properly utilize simple hand tools.

North Koreans were once competent enough to use hand tools, but lately it seems someone has eaten all the handles. For their sake, I hope this torpedo is ethanol-fueled, and that they all get a chance to suck on it. That could be as close to a national holiday as these poor bastards are ever likely to get.

48 posted on 08/07/2006 11:09:02 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The W Legacy: $5 Gas, 100 Million Mexicans, Hillary (or worse) for President.)
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To: EricT.; sgtbono2002; dhuffman@awod.com; F15Eagle; TigerLikesRooster; RetiredSWO; MarshallDillon
......NKs competent enough to properly utilize simple hand tools.

North Koreans were once competent enough to use hand tools, but lately it seems someone has eaten all the handles. For their sake, I hope this torpedo is ethanol-fueled, and that they all get a chance to suck on it. That could be as close to a national holiday as these poor bastards are ever likely to get.

49 posted on 08/07/2006 11:09:44 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The W Legacy: $5 Gas, 100 Million Mexicans, Hillary (or worse) for President.)
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To: Puddleglum

I was thinking the same thing before I even saw the picture. Gilligan being chased around the camp by the torpedo with that great chase music playing. Loved it!


50 posted on 08/07/2006 11:22:13 AM PDT by Holicheese (Tagline space for Rent!)
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