TTC-35 Meets Opposition Around State

Clifton Record ^ | August 04, 2006 | David Anderson

[1rudeboy]

Public/private partnerships are not noble, they are fascistic.

Just out of curiousity, how do you think oil is extracted from the Gulf? Fascist oil companies?

[Arizona Carolyn]

Interesting. Wonder how this will play in the Governor election?

[Smartass]

"Just out of curiousity, how do you think oil is extracted from the Gulf? Fascist oil companies?"

Hmmm, China will be drilling in the Gulf of Mexico!
BTW, with dictorships in control, there's not much
difference between facism and communism.

 

[Arizona Carolyn]

I still have suspicions about the timing of the Supremes decision last year on imminent domain. What is interesting is all the screaming about this on H&C for months and months, going to Florida, etc.. and yet not a word about this, the largest land grab of them all.

[1rudeboy]

I'm not talking about China. The U.S. Dept. of Interior issues leases so that private companies can drill for oil on our outer continental shelf. Voila! Public/private partnership!

[Smartass]

Your suspicions on the timing of the Supreme Court ruling in Kelo v. City of New London imminent domain could have merit.   One of the keys to your thoughts could be the absence of an amicus curiae brief, or request Court argument time by the U.S. "Solicitor General."   Whenever a Constitutional question comes before the Court, they're usually there to argue to uphold the Constitution.   The record show, that the U.S. "Solicitor General" was a shameful no show in Kelo, yet, argues in about 30 cases per term.   In all appearances, the American people, or U.S. Constitution didn't matter to our government of the outcome in that case.   Matter of fact, there was little outrage from congress or the executive branch of government.

IMO, five Supreme Court judges usurped the U.S. Constitution, and should have been impeached for the long lasting harm they did to the American people.   instead of being silent wimps, impeachment should have been the outrage from the other two branches of government.

 

[Smartass]

IMO, any future drilling allowed anywhere within the Continental limits, should have supply and demand conditions.   If the term "Public/private" is involved, then the public should have more of a say, and not just through the Dept. of Interior that sleeps in the same hotel with the private companies.   If you're not sick of the games played on us, I sure am!   If the present oil gouging trend continues, this country will be stood on it's ear for bankruptcy.

 

[Arizona Carolyn]

I think I went from shock at the verdict to suspicious as events have evolved over time and the GOP, who always stood for smaller Government and less interference in our lives, stood by virtually silent. We the people have been usurped and it's troubling to see so many here go with it instead of question it. It's not being a bad Republican to question what is going on at all levels of our government.

I seldom listen to Savage because he is so bipolar, today is is actually a little sane and he brought out how The Washington Times spilled the beans about Murtha and his links to Pelosi and other dirty deals that makes Cunningham and Abramoff look tame by comparison and as a result the "GOP Culture of Corruption" theme has disappeared from the media.

What we need is a honest media that will hold both parties accountable for their backroom deals and that is what is missing in this I-35 Highway. One reason the Governemnt is getting away with this highway is the media has become as corrupt or more corrupt than the Government and it's difficult to believe anything you read or see and thank goodness for FR where we can disect what is real and what is not, and I suspect our SCOTUS now as well..... whew, I went full circle, sorry for rambling.

[Czar]

Good.

The more opposition the better.

Easier to kill before it gets too far.

[Czar]

Good series of posts on this vexing issue, Smart.

Good job.

[Smartass]

"whew, I went full circle, sorry for rambling."

That's OK, at times we all ramble. You're simply asking many questions here, not expecting somebody to hurl unnecessary uncivil insults, and in return just expecting a civil answer.

Bear in mind, there are many MSM CEO's sitting on the Tri-Lateral Commission and Council on Foreign Relations, that have the power to ding or slant the news at will.   On certain issues the MSM opens the flood gates, while on others, it's taboo.   Also, Bill Clinton placed SCOTUS Judge Ruth Bater Ginsburg on either the TLC, or CFR that should among other things, require her to step down.

You're right about having an honest media, of which ours loses more credibility by the hour and day.   The freedom of the press was setup originally, to not be a political party, but instead to be neutral and keep government in check.   But today, it's used more as a political tool to bring a political party down, get an agenda across, and/or more often then not, places the GOP at the wrong end of the rope.

 

[Smartass]

Thanks Czar...

 

[ntnychik]

Keep the facts coming, Smartass!

[1rudeboy]

Sounds like you have a problem with the process, rather than the actual means. If the process is abused (as I have little doubt it is in cases), then it should be changed. I fail to see any way out of the problem of public/private partnerships other than nationalizing the oil industry. I'm open to suggestions.

[Smartass]

Hi Chik, thanks...

 

[Smartass]

You take to many of your assumptions for granted.   You neither know me, my background, or thoughts.   I was in government for a while, and have a reasonable handle of it's inner workings and corruptions...at ALL levels.

If you've ever heard the term guns and butter, then that's exactly one of my thoughts, and please don't assume that this is calling it Bush's fault, because I support the war on terror.   It's more like appeasing big business, by our government, at the expense of the populous during war, hence “guns and butter.” In my opinion, a massive mistake. The recent obscene retirement package for an Exxon CEO typifies gouging abuse. If the same person could sell the oxygen we breath, he’d have a hilarious laugh all the way to the bank too, and could give a s**t less at the pile of bodies left behind.

Given, we're a nation at war, and everyone is expected to sacrifice, including big business.   When President Bush took this nation to war in Afghanistan and then in Iraq, he should have imposed price controls on critical commodities, or possibly even gasoline rationing. That would have been the responsible thing to do, fuel included.   For example, President Lyndon Johnson's “guns and butter” during the Vietnam war almost destroyed the American economy. In a nutshell, history is being repeated, with the American peoples butts being used to fund a multi-hundred billion dollar war[s], then in the next breath, getting gouged by the very oil cartel that the American public is funding to protect.

 

[hedgetrimmer]

It should be noted that because he is a supporter of big government/big business, 1rudeboy's claim there is no way to get out of public/private partnerships is false. He is attempting to confuse the definition of such partnerships as something inevitable and acceptable. George Bush senior and Bill Clinton are the presidents who tested the waters on it and these 'partnership' have been growing like bacteria on the agar-agar of our government.

Public/private partnerships are much more than a simple work contract with a private business that has a fixed amount and an termination date.

Business and government can operate without these unholy mergers and they must, if the United States is to survive as as nation.

[Smartass]

Whenever the term "Public/private partnerships" come up, it's like a red flag of insider corruption popup.   When and where do these bodies meet out of "public" view to arrive at their partnership agreements?

 

[hedgetrimmer]

Good question!

[1rudeboy]

How do you propose we drill for oil in, say, ANWR then?