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Anger towards Americans high
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | August 7, 2006 | Sally Buzbee (A.P.)

Posted on 08/07/2006 5:33:18 PM PDT by Graybeard58

CAIRO, Egypt -- Anger toward America is high, extremists are on the upswing and hopes for democracy in the Middle East lie dashed. The Lebanon war is creating dangerous ripples in the war on terror, the future of Iraq -- even the effort to keep nuclear weapons from dangerous hands.

"America, we hate you more than ever," Ammar Ali Hassan wrote in the independent Egyptian daily Al-Masry Al-Youm, in the kind of visceral, slap-in-the-face rhetoric boiling across the region.

So far, the violence has not led allies to take steps that directly hurt America's strategic interests, such as forcing the military from its regional headquarters in Qatar or its naval base in Bahrain. And there are those who see the conflict as the bloody but necessary prelude to a real assessment by the Arab world of its choices: democracy and peace, or Islamic extremism and warfare.

Yet so far, almost every U.S. and European goal for the region -- keeping oil prices stable, promoting democracy, fighting extremists, strengthening moderates -- is suffering.

Jordan's pro-American King Abdullah gave the sharpest warning last week: Even if Hezbollah loses the military battle, its rising popularity among Arabs mean a like-minded group could pop up anywhere in the Middle East, even in his own country.

Others worry terror groups may already be directly benefiting. Al-Qaida's No. 2 leader has called on supporters to wage holy war against Israel in a clear effort to turn the hostility to its advantage.

More broadly, a wide swath of even progressive, middle-class people across the Mideast are outraged at the Israeli bombing of Lebanon and in part blame the United States. That means the long-sought U.S. effort to win Arab and Muslim "hearts and minds" -- so crucial to fighting terrorism -- has suffered a huge blow.

The signs are everywhere grim:

-- Moderates such as Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas have become almost irrelevant. All hope of an Israeli-Palestinian "land for peace" deal lie in tatters for the foreseeable future.

-- Iran has received a prestige boost as a key Hezbollah backer, and it has gained some relief from its own problems: U.N. efforts to curb Iran's nuclear ambitions still limp along, but have taken a back seat.

-- The effort to calm Iraq has been "complicated," because the Lebanon war has boosted the prestige of Shiite extremists who are pushing Iraq toward civil war, said a senior U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity.

The fighting even led to tension between Washington and Iraq's Shiite moderates, when the country's prime minister was harshly criticized by Democrats for condemning only Israel, not Hezbollah.

-- The push for democracy in other Arab regimes, already stalled, has ground to a halt. The U.S. is unlikely to pressure allies such as Saudi Arabia or Egypt for reform when it needs their help to end the crisis. Even many Arab reformers now believe the U.S. cares more about supporting Israel than anything elsey.

Not everyone thinks U.S. goals are in a muddle.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice believes the fighting, though painful, is the "birth pang of a new Middle East."

-- meaning the bloodshed and disarming of Hezbollah are required before the region can move toward peace.

There is indeed a widely held view that the Arab world needs a shakeout before it can make progress toward democracy or peace -- to decide if it wants to follow Hezbollah and Iran or moderates such as the Palestinians' Abbas.

President Bush hinted at that when he called the Israel-Hezbollah fight part of a "a larger struggle between the forces of freedom and the forces of terror."

Still others believe some of the Arab support for Hezbollah and its leader, Hassan Nasrallah, could wane once the bombing ends and those in Lebanon take a hard look at the damage.

William Brown, a former U.S. ambassador to Israel, contends America and Europe could seize an opportunity if Israel managed to disable Hezbollah temporarily. Brown said the U.S. should try to push a comprehensive peace plan that involves Israel, the Palestinians, Syria and Iran once the fight is over.

But he is skeptical the United States has the ability or will.

"I wouldn't like to see Nasrallah emerge as a hero in all this," Brown said. "But it's a distinct possibility."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; boilingover; everyoneelseiswrong; feelingismutual; finalsolutiontime; hatred; mediajihad; mohamedanmedia; rage; thirdworld; whocares
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1 posted on 08/07/2006 5:33:19 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

They are going to be alot angrier before we get done civilizing them...


2 posted on 08/07/2006 5:34:41 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Graybeard58
She forgot:

"The Sky is Falling!"

3 posted on 08/07/2006 5:35:07 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Graybeard58
"I wouldn't like to see Nasrallah emerge as a hero in all this," Brown said. "But it's a distinct possibility."

Bump

4 posted on 08/07/2006 5:35:22 PM PDT by A. Pole (Saint Augustine: "The truth speaks from the bottom of the heart without the noise of words")
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To: Graybeard58

>>CAIRO, Egypt -- Anger toward America is high, extremists are on the upswing and hopes for democracy in the Middle East lie dashed. The Lebanon war is creating dangerous ripples in the war on terror, the future of Iraq -- even the effort to keep nuclear weapons from dangerous hands.<<

This is from a Republican paper.


5 posted on 08/07/2006 5:35:26 PM PDT by gondramB (Never appeal to an enemy's better nature, he might not have one. Self interest yields more leverage)
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To: Graybeard58
Anger toward America is high

The Nazis and Japanese weren't all that enthusiastic about us either.

6 posted on 08/07/2006 5:35:38 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Graybeard58

and we give a rats a$$ how?


7 posted on 08/07/2006 5:35:46 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Graybeard58

Like I care......we must be doing something right if we are pissing them off


8 posted on 08/07/2006 5:35:51 PM PDT by Kimmers
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To: TheDon

Yep, and I'm sure the media, theirs and ours had nothing to do with this.


9 posted on 08/07/2006 5:36:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: Graybeard58

Here's the sole of my shoe for "world opinion". Go pound sand.


10 posted on 08/07/2006 5:36:14 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: xcamel
Exactly!
11 posted on 08/07/2006 5:36:24 PM PDT by cmsgop ( President Mahmud Ahmadinejad Must Purify Himself in The Waters of Lake Minnetonka)
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To: Graybeard58

This BS was in the NEWS section, not the opinion section? WTF, I guess we should not be suprised.


12 posted on 08/07/2006 5:36:29 PM PDT by pissant
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To: gondramB
This is from a Republican paper.

Associated Press

13 posted on 08/07/2006 5:36:51 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: gondramB
That should have said

"This is from a Republican paper?"

14 posted on 08/07/2006 5:37:15 PM PDT by gondramB (Never appeal to an enemy's better nature, he might not have one. Self interest yields more leverage)
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To: Graybeard58

>>Associated Press<<

I see that now, thank you.


15 posted on 08/07/2006 5:38:10 PM PDT by gondramB (Never appeal to an enemy's better nature, he might not have one. Self interest yields more leverage)
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To: Graybeard58

"Anger towards Americans high"

YAAAAWWWWN!


16 posted on 08/07/2006 5:38:30 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Graybeard58

I wonder what will happen if all Americans will start hating anything muslim...


17 posted on 08/07/2006 5:38:53 PM PDT by ChristianDefender (There is no such thing as Moderate Islam...)
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To: Graybeard58
"America, we hate you more than ever,"

Yesterday, he hated us enough to kill us. Now he hates us even more.

18 posted on 08/07/2006 5:39:01 PM PDT by marron
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To: Graybeard58

The Soviets hated us too. Color me unimpressed.


19 posted on 08/07/2006 5:39:09 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Graybeard58

[waves arms to signal "pump up the volume"]


20 posted on 08/07/2006 5:39:13 PM PDT by RichInOC ("They all hate us anyhow, so let's drop the big one now."--Randy Newman, "Political Science")
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To: Graybeard58; TheDon; SkyPilot; A. Pole; gondramB; coconutt2000; xcamel; Kimmers
I read this on another site and thought it was sobering and thought provoking enough to pass along. I hope you do the same:

Do you marvel at the blind eye turned to evil by many “intellectuals” today? Does the creeping anti-Semitism that condemns Israel for defending itself against Hezbollah rocket attacks stun you? Are you baffled by the moral equivalency given to Israel and the blatant terrorist fanatics of Hezbollah?

Recently, I suggested in conversation that the world is recreating the precarious conditions of the 1930’s that led to the deaths of millions in the Second World War. Victor Davis Hanson, in National Review Online, has explored that very premise in a lengthy and illuminating article.

Some excerpts:

When I used to read about the 1930s — the Italian invasion of Abyssinia, the rise of fascism in Italy, Spain, and Germany, the appeasement in France and Britain, the murderous duplicity of the Soviet Union, and the racist Japanese murdering in China — I never could quite figure out why, during those bleak years, Western Europeans and those in the United States did not speak out and condemn the growing madness, if only to defend the millennia-long promise of Western liberalism.

Our present generation too is on the brink of moral insanity. That has never been more evident than in the last three weeks, as the West has proven utterly unable to distinguish between an attacked democracy that seeks to strike back at terrorist combatants, and terrorist aggressors who seek to kill civilians.

These past few days the inability of millions of Westerners, both here and in Europe, to condemn fascist terrorists who start wars, spread racial hatred, and despise Western democracies is the real story, not the “quarter-ton” Israeli bombs that inadvertently hit civilians in Lebanon who live among rocket launchers that send missiles into Israeli cities and suburbs.

The growing turbulence of the 1930’s went largely unchallenged by those in power in Europe who instead sought to appease, smooth over, and get along with evil instead of condemning or combating it. As a result, roughly fifty million people died in the vast war that followed, and millions more would suffer for decades under the scourge of Communism that rose from the destruction.

The evil history of man is poised to repeat itself. Who will stand to prevent it?

21 posted on 08/07/2006 5:39:36 PM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are intimate bedfellows)
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To: Graybeard58

Who wants to make friends, or "win hearts and minds"? (see tagline).

22 posted on 08/07/2006 5:41:31 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: gondramB
I should have put this in it too:

Sally Buzbee is AP's chief of Middle East news, based in Cairo.

She's not just A.P., she's the head idiot in the middle east.

23 posted on 08/07/2006 5:42:22 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: ChristianDefender
I wonder what will happen if all Americans will start hating anything muslim...

If not hating them, we at least surely need to realize what the majority of Muslims have been taught: to hate and destroy the infedels. Watch Hannity & Colmes tonight and listen closely to their guest, a former Jihadist turned Christian, and what he has to tell us. I hope he'll repeat what he said on Sean's radio show today. It was downright chilling....

24 posted on 08/07/2006 5:44:20 PM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are intimate bedfellows)
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To: Graybeard58
"America, we hate you more than ever," Ammar Ali Hassan wrote

We already know.

25 posted on 08/07/2006 5:44:29 PM PDT by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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To: Billthedrill
The Soviets hated us too. Color me unimpressed.

The only one's it does impress is the left and it especially causes hand wringing among them to think Europeans and especially the French hate us.

26 posted on 08/07/2006 5:44:44 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58
Even if Hezbollah loses the military battle, its rising popularity among Arabs mean a like-minded group could pop up anywhere in the Middle East, even in his own country.

Just like all we were going to do was make a hero out of Kadafi and the arabs would rally to his cause when Reagan bombed his butt
27 posted on 08/07/2006 5:44:58 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Graybeard58
I hope that Israel has a good supply of nukes.The fate of entire civilized world will,eventually,depend on their ability and willingness to use them.

It should go without saying that neither we nor any of our European "allies" will not have the courage to do what needs to be done.

28 posted on 08/07/2006 5:45:22 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: coconutt2000

You took the words right out of my mouth Coconutt!


29 posted on 08/07/2006 5:45:24 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: coconutt2000

LOL!


30 posted on 08/07/2006 5:45:57 PM PDT by sarasmom (To all political staff lurkers: SECURE THE BORDERS, OR YOU'RE FIRED!)
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To: SkyPilot
"'America, we hate you more than ever,' Ammar Ali Hassan"

Oh yeah, well we hate you too...more than ever. Nah-nah.
31 posted on 08/07/2006 5:45:59 PM PDT by DonGrafico (Gowd demmit bub! You ain't from around heah ah ya?)
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To: Graybeard58

I guess flying 3 American planes loaded with innocent men, women, and children into buildings full of innocent men, women, and children was some sort of term of endearment! I am in a mood today so F them!


32 posted on 08/07/2006 5:46:26 PM PDT by martinidon (Bush won sKerry lost and Soro's is out millions for nothing!)
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To: Graybeard58
America, we hate you more than ever.

And I don't care more than ever.

33 posted on 08/07/2006 5:47:36 PM PDT by clintonh8r (To err is human; to forgive, divine. Neither is Marine Corps policy.)
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To: Graybeard58

Don't hate us because we're beautiful.

34 posted on 08/07/2006 5:47:41 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: A. Pole
"I wouldn't like to see Nasrallah emerge as a hero in all this," Brown said. "But it's a distinct possibility."

Let them envy that he has his 72 virgins while ululating they rush headlong from Syria into the Iraqi desert, hoping to be armed by their Slam-o-fast brothers, and only to find acute lead poisoning from fire directed by a specialist flying a drone from an air-conditioned equipment van 100 miles distant.

HF

35 posted on 08/07/2006 5:48:07 PM PDT by holden (holden on'a'na truth, de whole truth, 'n nuttin' but de truth)
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To: Graybeard58

Egypt = USA's number 1 aid recipient.


36 posted on 08/07/2006 5:48:50 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Graybeard58

>>>Anger toward America is high<<<

Anger by patriotic Americans toward Liberals and Terrorists is very high.


37 posted on 08/07/2006 5:49:28 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: Graybeard58

I couldn't care less if they hate us or not. If our 'allies' take steps that hurt us, they hurt themselves also.


38 posted on 08/07/2006 5:50:25 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Graybeard58

Well maybe if people like jimmy carter, bj clinton, and the ilk would shut their mouths, and let the people that KNOW what they are doing, do their jobs....just maybe we would be respected!!!!!!!!


39 posted on 08/07/2006 5:50:38 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: Graybeard58
FDR and Carter "made nice" with communists, but Reagan's "Peace through Strength" worked much better. Carter preferred the Ayatollah Khomeini to the "right-wing" (i.e. pro-American) dictator, the Shah of Iran. That is the root cause of our current problems. It is important that we reward friends and punish enemies. Democrats manage to get this backward.
40 posted on 08/07/2006 5:52:23 PM PDT by ChessExpert (MSM: America's one (Democratic) party press)
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To: Graybeard58

Anger toward Americans high among Democrats.


41 posted on 08/07/2006 5:55:25 PM PDT by pleikumud
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To: Graybeard58
Anger towards Americans high

isn't it always.....jealousy

42 posted on 08/07/2006 5:56:04 PM PDT by wardaddy (I have undergone Harpie detox, it was very tough but well worth it)
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To: Graybeard58

Uh-huh... Well, it's time to man up and show them what happens when real Americans finally get enough.

At some point, sad to say, we are going to have to reek a bunch of havoc if we want to survive. They need to know this before it is too late.


43 posted on 08/07/2006 5:57:40 PM PDT by alarm rider (Those that vote for RINOS knowingly, have already admitted defeat.)
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To: Graybeard58

""America, we hate you more than ever," Ammar Ali Hassan wrote in the independent Egyptian daily Al-Masry Al-Youm, in the kind of visceral, slap-in-the-face rhetoric boiling across the region."

Kiss my grits, you diseased camel flea. I hope you hate us a lot more in the coming months. That assumes we have the nads to let Isreal complete the job.

God Bless Isreal, doing the work us politically correct bastards wont do.

01


44 posted on 08/07/2006 6:00:48 PM PDT by Lurker 50001
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To: demkicker
It was downright chilling....

Perhaps, but i dont think anyone of us should be afraid of them... unless their bodies are hard enough for bullets to go through... They think they're fearsome enough 'coz they cause some of the most brutal murders in the modern world but what if the infidels do those things? Not even Coffee Annan can help them! But good for them the infidels are too civilized to give all attention to them. That's why these ragheads are noisy. "Attention Infidels... We will kill you! Listen! listen! Hey... please!"

45 posted on 08/07/2006 6:03:14 PM PDT by ChristianDefender (There is no such thing as Moderate Islam...)
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To: martin_fierro

Woof!

She can steal this thread, or any other thread, anytime!


46 posted on 08/07/2006 6:04:17 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: Graybeard58

This doesn't bother me a bit. With the exception of your own home, its probably better to be feared than loved anyway. Its when they hate you and aren't afraid that you have to watch out.

Of course, liberals can't sleep at night knowing that some yahoo 6,000 miles away doesn't "love" them.


47 posted on 08/07/2006 6:04:19 PM PDT by rbg81 (1)
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To: Graybeard58
Jordan's pro-American King Abdullah gave the sharpest warning last week: Even if Hezbollah loses the military battle, its rising popularity among Arabs mean a like-minded group could pop up anywhere in the Middle East, even in his own country.

How about doing something about it, little King, instead letting it "pop out even in your little fiefdom"

As a side note King Abdullah, how about you and your cohorts in the Middle East come to some agreement to rid yourself of those cockroaches of Hezbollah,Fatah, Al-Qaida etc. instead wringing your hands, whine, piss and moan about the Israelis doing YOUR job.

It is so pathetic that all those all mighty Arab Countries are afraid standing against the mean Hezbollah, while this puny country of Israel the size of Los Angeles County is kicking the sh!t out of Hezbollah.

Bottom line is very simple. What we're dealing here is a bunch of cowards and impotent nations unable to find their rear ends with a flash light and a GPS.

48 posted on 08/07/2006 6:04:20 PM PDT by danmar ("The two most common elements in the Universe is hydrogen and stupidity")
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To: demkicker

>I suggested in conversation that the world is recreating the precarious conditions of the 1930's that led to the deaths of millions in the Second World War.<

And if the EU3, Russia and China joins the Islamicfascists against the U.S.A. and Israel, and does not face this giant threat against freedom and survival with us, we will not be there to again save their sorry butts when the Islamicfascists turn against them.


49 posted on 08/07/2006 6:04:26 PM PDT by Paperdoll (........Washington Staters, Vote for McGavick!)
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To: Graybeard58

Yawn. Boilerplate anti-Americanism.


50 posted on 08/07/2006 6:06:01 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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