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Dallas may drop the hammer on toy guns
Dallas Morning News (TX) ^ | 8/8/06 | DAVE LEVINTHAL

Posted on 08/08/2006 9:32:18 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

Dallas may drop the hammer on toy guns

Safety panel vote puts city closer to adopting strict ordinance

11:10 PM CDT on Monday, August 7, 2006

By DAVE LEVINTHAL / The Dallas Morning News

They're Americana slipped into the holsters of little boys in cowboy hats.

But after a 7-1 vote by the City Council's public safety committee, Dallas is closer than ever to passing one of the nation's strictest ordinances regulating the sale and possession of toy guns.

The committee directed City Attorney Tom Perkins to craft an ordinance that would ban all toy guns except those painted a bright color, such as hot pink or neon green, or made of transparent or translucent material.

The toys would also have to reflect light.

Toy guns that don't fit the city's paint/reflection criteria would be illegal even if kept inside a private home or vehicle, council members said.

"I would have liked to see the city absolutely outlaw toy look-alike replica guns, but to get anything progressive done in this part of the country is significant," said the Rev. Peter Johnson, who through the community activism organization Weed & Seed has advocated banning toy guns locally.

Dallas should model its proposal after New York City's toy-gun ordinance, regarded as one of the country's most stringent, the committee told Mr. Perkins. A small percentage of municipalities, including Plano, have also further regulated toy guns beyond a federal provision requiring toy makers to place an orange cap over gun barrels.

(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; bang; banglist; constitution; dallas; gungrabbers; nannystate; pc; politicalcorrectness; politicallycorrect; secondamendment; texas; texasliberals; toyguns; toys
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1 posted on 08/08/2006 9:32:20 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

If they outlaw toy guns, only outlaws will have toy guns.


2 posted on 08/08/2006 9:33:28 AM PDT by SerpentDove (No weapon forged against Israel will prevail. - Isaiah 54:17)
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To: kiriath_jearim

They'd do better to ban real guns from street gangs in Dallas.


3 posted on 08/08/2006 9:33:42 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: kiriath_jearim

When they came for the lawn darts I did nothing...


4 posted on 08/08/2006 9:34:38 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Crazier than a rattlesnake at a Thai wedding)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

LOL


5 posted on 08/08/2006 9:35:11 AM PDT by SerpentDove (No weapon forged against Israel will prevail. - Isaiah 54:17)
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To: kiriath_jearim
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6 posted on 08/08/2006 9:35:23 AM PDT by Sax (You Done Tore Out My Heart And Stomped That Sucker Flat)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Dallas is filled with metrosexual pantywaists. It no more belongs in Texas than Austin does.


7 posted on 08/08/2006 9:36:09 AM PDT by Xenalyte (who is having the best day ever!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Do they have a problem with illegal toy guns in that area? Menacing child gangs in their cowboy hats and chaps, perhaps?


8 posted on 08/08/2006 9:40:04 AM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / Molwn Labe!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
socialism to a brief hiatus after 9/11, but now "Wendy! I'm Hooooooooooooooooooome!"
9 posted on 08/08/2006 9:41:38 AM PDT by BikerGold (Blogs Are Destroying Christian/Conservatives)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Toy guns that don't fit the city's paint/reflection criteria would be illegal even if kept inside a private home or vehicle, council members said.

No more "action" movies will be shot in Dallas then.

10 posted on 08/08/2006 9:41:51 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: kiriath_jearim

I feel safer already. /s


11 posted on 08/08/2006 9:42:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kiriath_jearim
Citizens of the People's Republic of China re NOT allowed to possess toy guns of any kind ! Sound familiar??
12 posted on 08/08/2006 9:42:57 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: kiriath_jearim

Don't they have anything more important to do?


13 posted on 08/08/2006 9:43:35 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: kiriath_jearim

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.


14 posted on 08/08/2006 9:43:54 AM PDT by somniferum (Annoy a liberal.. Work hard and be happy.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Don't these people have anything to do? They are certainly wasting tax payer money!


15 posted on 08/08/2006 9:44:20 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: kiriath_jearim; MeekOneGOP

I think the Texas legislature should override this PC nonsense. No wonder the Dallas Cowboys are moving even further from Dallas.


16 posted on 08/08/2006 9:45:03 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Tijeras_Slim

To think when I was a kid we had bb gun and an archery set (pointy metal-tipped arrows) and cap guns etc. Not to mention matches that would strike on just about anything...


17 posted on 08/08/2006 9:46:07 AM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Fox had a bit on states that allow homeowners the right to bear arms and protect their homes from "invaders". Texas was not on their list. ???


18 posted on 08/08/2006 9:46:48 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: kiriath_jearim

We should send em toy guns.


19 posted on 08/08/2006 9:49:53 AM PDT by ChessMan (It's not just a tagline, it's an adventure)
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To: kiriath_jearim
The committee directed City Attorney Tom Perkins to craft an ordinance that would ban all toy guns except those painted a bright color, such as hot pink or neon green, or made of transparent or translucent material.

The toys would also have to reflect light.

OK, I have to ask this question. What is to prevent someone from doctoring up a real gun so that it resembles a toy?

20 posted on 08/08/2006 9:50:05 AM PDT by LRS
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To: sarasota

I don't know why Texans have always had the right to defend their homes. The police won't even carry you to the station for a statement.


21 posted on 08/08/2006 9:51:15 AM PDT by federal
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To: kiriath_jearim

The only thing dumber than a liberal, is two liberals!!!


22 posted on 08/08/2006 9:52:57 AM PDT by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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To: weegee
well.... Prison Break the series 2nd season is being filmed out here.
23 posted on 08/08/2006 9:53:54 AM PDT by GeronL (http://www.mises.org/story/1975 <--no such thing as a fairtax)
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To: kiriath_jearim

How sad! No more cowboys and indians. (Now politically incorrect, of course!) No more cops and robbers! Our little boys will have courage, innovation and the manly art of protection sucked out them. I say give 'em more toy guns, given 'em bows and arrows! And maybe our little boys will grow up to be real men, just like their grandfathers.


24 posted on 08/08/2006 9:54:38 AM PDT by Paperdoll (........Washington Staters, Vote for McGavick!)
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To: Xenalyte
"Dallas is filled with metrosexual pantywaists. It no more belongs in Texas than Austin does."

What we're seeing in America is European style socialism and it's attendant PC sensitivities and politics being slowly implemented a piece at a time.
25 posted on 08/08/2006 9:57:47 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: kiriath_jearim

Why don't they drop the hammer on REAL criminals?


26 posted on 08/08/2006 10:02:06 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: visualops
To think when I was a kid we had bb gun and an archery set (pointy metal-tipped arrows) and cap guns etc. ...

And kids running through yards and jumping fences with real looking guns shouting "I'm going to kill you." Somehow we all survived.

27 posted on 08/08/2006 10:04:27 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: sarasota
"Fox had a bit on states that allow homeowners the right to bear arms and protect their homes from "invaders". Texas was not on their list. ???"

If it wasn't, it should have been. Texas is a "right to carry" state. The law here says that if I see some punk carrying off my TV set and he is about to get away and I have no reasonable chance of recovering it, I can shoot him in the back. How cool is that? So now we may have come to a situation where people can own and carry real guns but not fake guns. The well of liberal insanity just keeps getting deeper and deeper.

28 posted on 08/08/2006 10:04:37 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Several years ago I had a pantywaisted neighbor start complaining to me about my son and his toy guns. She started ranting that it wasn't safe for children to play with guns because "it will make him want to play with real guns, and we ALL KNOW how dangerous those are." You should have seen the color drain from her face when I mentioned that my son already has a .22 hanging over the doorway in his bedroom. She stormed off, but ended up ranting to my wife later that it was "insane" that we would allow our children to handle firearms. My wife, bless her soul, offered to take the neighbor shooting to dispel some of her misconceptions about firearms. The neighbor never did take her up on the offer.
29 posted on 08/08/2006 10:07:42 AM PDT by Arthalion
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To: kiriath_jearim

Not to be provocative, but Texas is turning into a nanny state. This is weird.


30 posted on 08/08/2006 10:08:56 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: mtbopfuyn
They'd do better to ban real guns from street gangs in Dallas.

They'd do better to ban the street gangs.

It's not the guns that are the problem.

They've already banned criminals, but they aren't effective in combating crime.

Instead of going after criminals, they instead create laws that just interfere with law abiding citizens and continue doing a poor job of enforcing laws.

Maybe what they need to ban is worthless politicians.

31 posted on 08/08/2006 10:20:55 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: kiriath_jearim

Oh goodie, we teach our kids guns are evil bad things,
and our enemy teaches their kids how to fire a AK-47.


32 posted on 08/08/2006 10:22:13 AM PDT by CAP811 (One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place)
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To: GeronL

Guess even the actors playing cops won't have guns if they don't want to break the law.

I wouldn't want Hollywood to have rights than a mere citizen does not.


33 posted on 08/08/2006 10:24:59 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Sam Cree

Yep. And that is one thing that Kinky Friedman claims to be running against. The wussification of Texas.


34 posted on 08/08/2006 10:26:53 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: ElkGroveDan

Too much money in payoffs.


35 posted on 08/08/2006 10:28:10 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Sam Cree
Dallas is a cesspool of liberal activism, on par with Berkley and San Francisco, if not ahead of them.
36 posted on 08/08/2006 10:32:05 AM PDT by FFIGHTER (Character Matters!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Does not surprise me - Dallas has quite a few liberals running around (I think the Sheriff is even a Democrat).


37 posted on 08/08/2006 10:35:53 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: CAP811

Texan Audie Murphy knew all about guns BEFORE he joined the Army. So did Alvin C. York. So the most decorated soldiers of WWI AND WWII just happened to learn shooting as mere children.

Add George Mabry II the Medal of Honor recepient who learned shooting as a boy in South Carolina and had an incredible career involving D-Day, the Bulge, and so much more.

The most famous sniper of Vietnam was Carlos Hathcock who grew up shooting in Arkansas.

My wife learned to disassemble an AK-47 in the sixth grade and during her USSR 8th grade class did the same but against the clock.

But these Dallas zip wads think that America would be better is Murphy, York, Mabry, Hathcock, and so many more had grown up without guns. Sheesh!


38 posted on 08/08/2006 10:36:52 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (Pork barbeque, bacon, pork chops, sausage, ribs, ham, pork rinds are so good and so offensive to...)
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To: Xenalyte
Dallas is filled with metrosexual pantywaists. It no more belongs in Texas than Austin does.

At least Austin isn't going after toy guns like this.

Unfortunately, Austin is following in the footsteps of North Texas' love affair with traffic cameras all over the place.
39 posted on 08/08/2006 10:36:58 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: visualops
To think when I was a kid we had bb gun and an archery set (pointy metal-tipped arrows) and cap guns etc. Not to mention matches that would strike on just about anything...

Yea, back when kids had parents.

40 posted on 08/08/2006 10:37:14 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (I gigged your peace frog.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I don't let my sone play with toy guns anyway. He's learning to use the real thing.


41 posted on 08/08/2006 10:38:52 AM PDT by P8riot ("You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone)
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To: FFIGHTER; weegee

Yeah, liberals are everywhere these days, even the red states. A real shame.


42 posted on 08/08/2006 10:38:53 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: Sam Cree
Not to be provocative, but Texas is turning into a nanny state. This is weird.

It's all about money, they just can't seem to grab enough money from whatever means. It's getting ridiculous, we have smoker patrols, toy gun patrols, and people getting stopped for going 1 mile over the speed limit.

They aren't worried about stopping ILLEGALS and REAL crime. They are only interested in stuffing their coffers.

43 posted on 08/08/2006 10:41:53 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I don't endorse legislation regulating toy guns, but I do believe they are an abomination. The habits kids pick up from playing with toy guns are likely to be very hard to break, and very dangerous, when they start using real guns. By age 5, nearly all kids can handle a .22 revolver with close supervision, and IMO that's about when parents should start teaching them. Skip the toy guns, and introduce the real ones very early.


44 posted on 08/08/2006 10:54:35 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: visualops

"You'll shoot your eye out, kid."

45 posted on 08/08/2006 10:57:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: unixfox
They aren't worried about stopping ILLEGALS and REAL crime.

.....that could prove to be dangerous...besides ticketing smokers is profitable.....

46 posted on 08/08/2006 10:59:24 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: dfwgator

"I feel safer already"

No doubt they're trying to protect the police officers who might shoot the person aiming a toy gun....


47 posted on 08/08/2006 11:03:19 AM PDT by sandlady
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To: af_vet_rr

Ordinarily I'd point and laugh, but Houston's getting those, and will start issuing fines (not tickets, of course) September 1.

Deep sigh.


48 posted on 08/08/2006 11:07:37 AM PDT by Xenalyte (who is having the best day ever!)
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To: dljordan

What you said. Hear, hear!


49 posted on 08/08/2006 11:09:18 AM PDT by Xenalyte (who is having the best day ever!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
The committee directed City Attorney Tom Perkins to craft an ordinance that would ban all toy guns except those painted a bright color, such as hot pink or neon green, or made of transparent or translucent material.

Just waiting for the other shoe to drop on this one.

There are customizers out there who can coat a gun with a baked on finish in just about any color under the sun. Just this past weekend I saw red, pink and green slides on glocks at a local IDPA match.

Once they decide to color the toy guns, they'll be insisting the real guns stay the evil black color.

50 posted on 08/08/2006 11:21:38 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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