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U.S. Senators call on Bush to support Serbia
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Posted on 08/08/2006 1:04:42 PM PDT by kronos77

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To: montyspython; FormerLib; Bokababe; joan
Shaddap ... Take away your kneepads before you do your Dhimmi duty ... dumb ass ... islamofascist-loving Democrites like you ... a small, sick little man ...a sadist ... Nazi-like

Nice, well-reasoned argumentation there, folks. Even an example of Godwin's Law.

"Unfortunately for you, Hopeless, you are truly living up to your name!

Well Bokababe, a Hoplite is a citizen-soldier in one of the old Greek city-states. So you have that wrong, too.

And Formerlib & Montyspython, Hoplite was a volunteer soldier in the U.S. Army who did his duty as an infantryman on the DMZ in Korea as well as in the L.A. riots as a Guardsman. Since both of you have denigrated his service, please let us know about all you've done to serve your country? By "your country", I'm talking about the USA, btw, which may rule you guys out. But please do tell if you can.

51 posted on 08/10/2006 1:17:27 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Hoplite
Si vales valeo.,/p>

I would have thought Greek, not Latin. But the same to you.

I am back from Afghanistan, fortunately just in time to see my son before he left for "the best summer of his life" at Fort Benning! I still have bad dreams about that red clay.

52 posted on 08/10/2006 1:32:29 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

And Formerlib & Montyspython, Hoplite was a volunteer soldier in the U.S. Army who did his duty as an infantryman on the DMZ in Korea as well as in the L.A. riots as a Guardsman. Since both of you have denigrated his service, please let us know about all you've done to serve your country? By "your country", I'm talking about the USA, btw, which may rule you guys out. But please do tell if you can.




And William Jeferson Clinton was supreme commander of US army, but complete idiot and islamofascist loving scum...

And in both casess he outranks Hoplite and Markie Boy.


53 posted on 08/10/2006 1:41:08 PM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary (Go IDF!))
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To: mark502inf

P.S. Hoplite was mamber of Greek light infantry. Citizen-soldier was something in Roman Empire and afterwards mideval times.


54 posted on 08/10/2006 1:42:47 PM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary (Go IDF!))
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To: kronos77

About damn time. Light has come on. Maybe there is hope that one day our government will see the mistake it made there and make amends with the Serbian people.


55 posted on 08/10/2006 1:46:50 PM PDT by SQUID
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To: mark502inf
Hoplite was a volunteer soldier in the U.S. Army who did his duty as an infantryman on the DMZ in Korea as well as in the L.A. riots as a Guardsman.

And nowhere in there, do I hear mention of "service in Bosnia or Kosovo", unlike others here -- else Hoplite would not likely have confused a Bosnian police chief with Serbia.

Ma Bell would likely chime it about now, but it is quite late in Iraq where he is stationed.

So have we all gotten all the military service credentials out of the way yet?

56 posted on 08/10/2006 1:58:31 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: montyspython; Bokababe; ma bell; tgambill

I see that Hoplite continues to make friends. He is but a pimple festering on the backside of some Islamic terrorist. An ex military cook who's best achievement in the military was making donuts and playing with liver on his own time.

The U.S. is now seeing that Serbia is a better allie than the KLA scum the previous administration coddled up to. Serbia like Israel deserves western support because they are both on the front facing the plague of the Islamic terrorists. The line has been drawn in what is now being described as the beginning of the third world war. Albanians in Kosovo will tow the Islamic fundamentalist line which is why I can't understand Hoplick's dislike for Serbia and its people.

Hoplick is a democrat who smoked to much dope back in the early sixties and who knows what substance he is abusing these days which may explain a few things. The poor old sod wastes away in some delusion he calls reality....


57 posted on 08/10/2006 2:03:19 PM PDT by Wraith (To have peace prepare for War.)
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To: mark502inf
Since both of you have denigrated his service...

Actually Dhimmi, it is not his service that I denigrate but only everything else.

I don't like islamofascist apologists and I don't have to respond to any requests for those who get on their knees like good little Dhimmis so don't bother making demands 'round here.

58 posted on 08/10/2006 4:19:27 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Hoplite; Bokababe
...you're about as smart as any of your peers, and that's just not smart enough.

Ok, so you're twice as smart as the toothless Dhimmi then. Could be worse.

59 posted on 08/10/2006 4:24:15 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: mark502inf
Hope all goes well for your son, whom you've adequately prepared for the experience I have no doubt.

("Now remember son, in the first couple of minutes after you wake up, the Drill Sergeants can't hold you accountable for anything you say, and here's your old man's "Stress Card", use it wisely.")

60 posted on 08/10/2006 8:29:41 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: mark502inf
I highly doubt the quality of his ARNG unit of the early 90's as it is indicative of him as a person, poor quality. Being a 11Bravo does not mean squat as anyone can get through Bennings AIT (yeah, I know what that MOS is like and have done the same thing doing my Active Duty Marine Corps time. The boorish behavior demonstrative from him to those that disagree with him is a fine example. He brings the scourge onto himself, mark.
61 posted on 08/10/2006 11:43:37 PM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: Hoplite

I reckon that day will come when Kosovo is granted its independence.

*******This is now in question. You just maybe will see a change of direction. Watch the news.


62 posted on 08/11/2006 12:19:39 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: mark502inf

there is no good work he is doing. The lies about Kosovo WILL NOT go unpublished or undocumented. There is much effort in truthful and honest writers and researchers to spread the truth that was convoluted back in 1989....WE WILL SEE TO IT!!!!!


63 posted on 08/11/2006 12:22:37 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite

Your references aren't special, as a matter of fact they are outdated and OBE......Yet you ignore the references by those who were actually there and played signficant roles....then follow with personal insults, hoping that the receiver responds in a way that you can cry to mods to get them banned...so you can brag about it....lolol...:)

Anyway, your avoidance of truth reminds me of a joke I heard. The kitty cat is you, the truth is the dog......BTW...do you studder by chance?????

A teacher is explaining biology to her 4th grade students. "Human beings are the only animals that stutter", she says.

A little girl raises her hand. "I had a kitty-cat who stuttered", she volunteered.

The teacher, knowing how precious some of these stories could become, asked the girl to describe the incident.

"Well", she began, "I was in the back yard with my kitty and the rottweiler who lives next door got a running start and before we knew it, he jumped over the fence into our yard!

"That must've been scary", said the teacher.

"It sure was", said the little girl. "My kitty went 'Fffff, Fffff, Fffff'... And before he could say "F*#K," the rottweiler ate him!"


64 posted on 08/11/2006 1:10:15 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
that is right on, Skipper. When one feels inadequate, they lash out with insults. Who instigates the insults, hoplite of course.

Why does he not ever reply in kind to my posts? Simple (he will do the same to you eventually), I was there and he can't bring himself to admit my honesty and integrity, which he sorely lacks.

What is the number one thing that is taught in being a Marine NCO and Officer? Integrity, because without it, you are nothing. Army 11Bravo didn't teach him that, or...lolol he didn't make Sgt, but was stuck at Specialist.. btw, I should hopefully pick up my Staff Sgt in before the end of this year.

65 posted on 08/11/2006 1:50:48 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: tgambill

Me on the 240B...:)

66 posted on 08/11/2006 1:57:38 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: ma bell

congrats........on your promotion.....watch your six....we've yet to have that beer...:)


67 posted on 08/11/2006 3:58:11 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
im not promoted yet...i still have to put in my packet for the board but evreyone in my chain is pushing hard for it. Each time they pushed a promotion, it went through succesfully... Besides, I'm SFC/E7 material as well but due to my break in service, that hinders me and doesn't count for sht...lol

Yeah, when i get back next spring, i'll be up in your neck of the woods then we will grab a beer/s.

68 posted on 08/11/2006 5:31:22 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: mark502inf
*sniff *sniff, cry me a river.

Since Hoplite has denigrated and questioned the service of others here who have also served, who gives a rat's ass about his supposed service? You two bozos need to go get a private room so that you can go pinch each others' asses and figure out a way to reconcile your failures as men.

As ma bell pointed, he has absolutely no integrity.

69 posted on 08/11/2006 9:35:06 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython
You two bozos need to go get a private room so that you can go pinch each others' asses and figure out a way to reconcile your failures as men.

I had 'em pegged as a couple of guys who'd go for a reacharound long ago.

70 posted on 08/11/2006 2:49:26 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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Yet we, under Clinton, killed over three thousand Serbs for no reason, most of them women and children. I find this horrifying.
71 posted on 08/11/2006 2:53:06 PM PDT by Dante3
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I agree. This is horrifying development.


72 posted on 08/11/2006 3:45:40 PM PDT by garbageseeker ("The best form of defense is attack." -Karl Philippe Gottfried von Clausewitz)
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To: kronos77
P.S. Hoplite was mamber of Greek light infantry. Citizen-soldier was something in Roman Empire

Kronos, I know English is your second language, but "hoplite" is a Greek word, so no excuses for being wrong again:

As it says here "For hundreds of years, warfare in Classical Greece was dominated by the hoplite, or heavy infantryman. These were generally citizen-soldiers ..." and here "Warfare in Ancient Greece centered mainly around heavy infantrymen called hoplites ... These were a citizen-militia ..."

73 posted on 08/12/2006 4:51:14 AM PDT by mark502inf
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And William Jeferson Clinton was supreme commander of US army, but complete idiot and islamofascist loving scum... And in both casess he outranks Hoplite and Markie Boy.

Wrong yet again. Clinton lost his commander in chief status in January 2001 and doesn't outrank anybody. In fact, he is currently outranked by my son in Basic Training; as well as by about 500,000 other great American soldiers.

By the way, Clinton has not been responsible for Balkans policy for the past 5+ years. Associating the policy you oppose with someone who is generally despised perhaps makes your argument emotionally attractive, but it has little to do with the facts on the ground or who is currently running the show.

74 posted on 08/12/2006 5:05:55 AM PDT by mark502inf
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Yet we, under Clinton, killed over three thousand Serbs for no reason, most of them women and children. I find this horrifying.

Gentlemen, the Former Republic of Yugoslavia Ministry of Foreign Affairs publication "NATO Crimes in Yugoslavia" came up with 495 deaths. The decidedly unfriendly-to-America Human Rights Watch did a study and came up with 488-527 bombing deaths; closely corresponding to Belgrade's 495. Go to para 53.

Of note, about half of those approximately 500 civilian casualties were in Kosovo, most of whom were the Kosovar Albanian refugees attacked by mistake in the Korisa Woods and in the Djakovica road incidents. So the actual number of civilian casualties of Serbian ethnicity was somewhere under 300.

It is a shame about any of the civilian casualties, but fortunately for most of Serbia, our Air Force, Marine, and Navy pilots who flew 14,000+ strike sorties were careful in target selection and precise in their aim.

I just returned from Afghanistan where, after every airstrike, the Taliban would claim all sorts of civilian casualties. Investigation would invariably reveal the casualties as either non-existent or exaggerated. The victimization ploy in order to discredit your opponent and gain international sympathy is exactly what Hezbollah is doing in Lebanon today and the Serbs have continued concerning Kosovo.

75 posted on 08/12/2006 5:27:51 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

You're a very accomplished Dhimmi, I'll give you that.


76 posted on 08/12/2006 6:51:45 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: mark502inf

Interesting why you're still SO silent about the ABiH being trained by VEVAK? After all, you got so upset when some Serb farmer started selling blueberries to some Iranian business. You positively blew a gasket, poor soul.

Yet, a dozen years on, and you've yet to get hot under the collar over Iranian military intelligence camping out in the Balkans.

And no mention on the Bosnians introducing Dhimmi law into the heart of Europe. Both you and Hoplite think nothing of laws that favour our humble PEADO WORSHIPPERS.

Don't tell me you've fallen under the spell of the great and wise Hoplite? A noble and wise sage is he , where the word of a lunatic ( ERDEMOVIC )is believed, and where lazy neverwozzer academics ( DOCTOR BALL ) are treated with the same reverence as the great Greek philosophers?

Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum indeed.

But the eternal question remains , who's Dee and who's Dum?


77 posted on 08/12/2006 7:48:59 AM PDT by infidel_and_proud
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To: infidel_and_proud
Interesting why you're still SO silent about the Army of Bosnia-Hercegovina being trained by VEVAK? ...Yet, a dozen years on, and you've yet to get hot under the collar over Iranian military intelligence camping out in the Balkans.

Uh, maybe because this was about Kosovo, not Bosnia.

But since you brought it up, it is useful to note that the Bosnian military is supporting us in Iraq. And it's not VEVAK, but NATO "camping out" and training the Bosnian Army.

Not to mention still hunting down indicted war criminals such as Serbian torturer and rapist Dragan Zelenovic, shown in the photo below a couple months ago being taken to the Hague by U.S. troops and aircraft from the NATO element in Sarajevo.


78 posted on 08/12/2006 2:22:35 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Hoplite
Serbia and Republika Srpska have charged and tried more suspected war criminals than Croatia, Bosnia and the UN-occupied Kosovo put together.

Consider the Scorpions case, for example. It was dealt with swiftly by Serbia, even though the unit had nothing to do with Serbia in the first place. Let's see how the Croatian side deals with its own Black Mambas and the Muslims with their Hamzas death squad.

79 posted on 08/12/2006 2:34:50 PM PDT by Banat (DEO • REGI • PATRIĆ: http://www.SAVEKOSOVO.org)
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Serbia and Republika Srpska have charged and tried more suspected war criminals than Croatia, Bosnia and the UN-occupied Kosovo put together.

Really?

Name the trials held in Serbia and the Republika Srpska.

80 posted on 08/12/2006 2:43:59 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Banat
-------<snip>-------

Didn't see your reply. Here's the response:

BBC story 1
BBC story 2
BBC Jurist story 3


And here's a summary of all arrests and transfers: FAS

Serbia has jailed/transferred its entire political/military leadership to the Hague. So, yes, Serbia has done more to clean-up its own backyard than all the other sides combined.

-------<snip>-------

From BBC story 1: Ivan Nikolic charged, tried, and sentenced for crimes committed in Kosovo in 1999. 2 other unnamed individuals listed as charged with war crimes committed in Kosovo.

From BBC Story 2: 7 men charged with crimes committed in Bosnia in 1992.

Jurist story 3 talks about persons charged with aiding and abetting Ratko Mladic, an activity which falls outside a tally concerning your original claim.

Further, transferring individuals to the Hague also falls outside of your original claim, as the Hague was set up specifically because Serbia refused to try its own war criminals in the first place - the indifferent attitude of the Serbian government towards actually arresting Ratko Mladic, rather than calling on him to surrender voluntarily, tends to undercut your claim of Serbian law and order, um, -ness.

I'll throw you a bone add this to the count: 5 members of the Scorpions charged in Serbia for crimes in the aftermath of the fall of Srebrenica, and this, wherein 11 members of the Bosnian Serb police were tried in the RS for the murder of a Catholic Priest. (Acquitted, surprise.)

So back to your original claim - "Serbia and Republika Srpska have charged and tried more suspected war criminals than Croatia, Bosnia and the UN-occupied Kosovo put together.", with Serbia and the Republika Srpska coming in at 26 in this admittedly incomplete list.

Against that, have a look at War Crimes Trials Before The Domestic Courts Of Bosnia and Herzegovina, specifically page 6, which sums up the activities of Bosnia's war crimes court.

3. Statistical Overview of Cases Proceeding Before the Domestic Courts of BiH
3.1. Overview


Since 1996, the ICTY RoR Unit received criminal files against a total of 5,789 persons suspected of war crimes.

By 29 September 2004, the Unit reviewed and provided categories against a total of 3,489 persons, referring them back to the domestic authorities. Of the cases referred back to the domestic authorities in accordance with the RoRs, 846 cases received “A” categorisation, 2,346 received “B” categorisation and 675 received “C” categorisation.

According to information available to the OSCE, from 1996 to the end of January 2005. Fifty-four category “A” cases (individual or group), against 94 defendants, have reached trial stage. This represents approximately 11 per cent of those referred back to BiH by the ICTY with category “A” status. The OSCE is aware of at least 44 cases against 73 accused (18 Bosniacs, 38 Croats, 17 Serbs) which are being actively investigated or are in the pre-trial phase. Of the trial cases, only two have proceeded in the RS (and two others were dismissed at some stage of the proceedings). The rest have been conducted in the FBiH. Forty-one cases, involving 50 defendants (27 Bosniacs, six Croats and 17 Serbs), have reached a final and binding verdict. Of these, there have been guilty verdicts, involving 30 defendants (14 Bosniacs, three Croats and 13 Serbs). Sentences of imprisonment have ranged from six months to 20 years. In addition to the cases with final verdicts, 17 more cases, involving 39 defendants (23 Bosniacs, nine Croats, seven Serbs), have reached a verdict at first instance and are currently in appeal procedure or being retried.

In 2004, there was a significant increase in the number of cases proceeding before the cantonal courts in the FBiH with little corresponding activity in the district courts in the RS. Fifteen war crimes trials, involving a total of 24 defendants (seven Bosniacs, ten Croats, seven Serbs) have reached first instance verdicts, all before the cantonal courts in the FBiH. Fifteen defendants were acquitted (seven in the Konjic 7, four in the Mostar 4 group case and four in individual cases). The sentences imposed for the other nine defendants who were found guilty have ranged from 18 months to 15 years of imprisonment. Fourteen cases, involving 34 defendants, are on-going and are also being monitored by the OSCE.

I hope you understand why it took me so long to get back to you - I didn't think you were being serious with either your initial claim or what you subsequently brought to the table to try and back it up.

81 posted on 08/21/2006 9:17:56 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Hoplite, let me repeat this, the entire political and military leadership of Serbia has been charged and brought to trial (in addition to countless regional military and political officials from the RS). And while nothing will change the fact that the Hague Tribunal is a kangaroo court, the fact is at the end of the day, none of the Muslim of Croat higher-ups has been charged, let alone arrested and tried.

Actions speak louder than words, and it doesn't matter what Serbia says - it's what Serbia does. Each and every one of those ex-gov't and ex-military officials who are in the Hague are there thanks to the Serbian Government. So, how many Muslim/Croat officials are there in the Hague? No, let me rephrase that - How many have been charged by the Hague?

82 posted on 08/22/2006 12:04:32 PM PDT by Banat (DEO • REGI • PATRIĆ: http://www.SAVEKOSOVO.org)
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To: Banat
Serbia and Republika Srpska have charged and tried more suspected war criminals than Croatia, Bosnia and the UN-occupied Kosovo put together.

Kindly admit that this statment is erroneous, and then explain how you came to post it in the first place.

Thanks.

83 posted on 08/22/2006 12:06:35 PM PDT by Hoplite
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