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Beheading Nations: The Islamization of Europe’s Cities
BrusselsJournal.Com ^ | Fjordman

Posted on 08/08/2006 7:32:28 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2

We have seen videos on TV of Muslim Jihadis beheading infidel hostages. Less attention has been paid to the fact that Muslims are beheading entire nation states. Although this is happening in slow motion, it is no less dramatic. Historically, the major cities have constituted a country’s “head,” the seat of most of its political institutions and the largest concentration of its cultural brainpower. What happens when this “head” is cut off from the rest of the body?

In many countries across Western Europe, Muslim immigrants tend to settle in major cities, with the native population retreating to minor cities or into the countryside. Previously, Europeans or non-Europeans could travel between countries and visit new cities, each with its own, distinctive character and peculiarities. Soon, you will travel from London to Paris, Amsterdam or Stockholm and find that you have left one city dominated by burkas and sharia to find… yet another city dominated by burkas and sharia.

For some reason, this eradication of unique, urban cultures is to be celebrated as “cultural diversity.” Britain’s population is projected to rise by more than seven million in the next 25 years. The predictions were even greater than those made by the Migrationwatch UK think-tank, whose forecasts had been dismissed in the past as alarmist. Sir Andrew Green, the chairman of Migrationwatch, said the figures were “staggering.” “They totally demolish the Government’s claim that it has a ‘managed migration’ policy. In fact they show that immigration into the UK is out of control.” British citizenship has been granted to nearly one million foreign nationals since Labour and Tony Blair came to power in 1997. “Grants of citizenship have quadrupled under the present Government. This is a direct result of their ‘no limits’ immigration policy.” “Immigration on this scale is changing the nature of our society without public consent. It is no longer acceptable.”

More white families are moving from London to the regions while many immigrants arrive in the capital from overseas. Migrationwatch said that the change in 10 years had been “extraordinarily rapid” and “unprecedented.” Whites will soon become a minority in Birmingham and other major British cities, posing a “critical” challenge to social stability, Britain’s race relations watchdog warned. Statistics showed that white and ethnic minority communities were becoming increasingly segregated.

“Asian youths,” a British euphemism for Pakistanis and Muslims from South Asia, in parts of Oldham are trying to create no-go areas for white people. One of them told: “There are signs all around saying whites enter at your risk. It’s a matter of revenge.” However, it’s not just the white natives that are targets of Muslim violence, but other non-Muslims, too. A report on Hindus being driven out of the English city of Bradford by young Muslims was described by some Hindus as “ethnic cleansing.” Some of them want to leave the city to escape the “Talibanization of Bradford.”

In an online story in newspaper The Daily Telegraph that was removed “for legal reasons,” former Muslim Dr. Patrick Sookhdeo warned that British Muslims could soon form a state within the state. Dr Sookhdeo believed that “in a decade, you will see parts of English cities which are controlled by Muslim clerics and which follow, not the common law, but aspects of Muslim sharia law.” “In 1980, the Islamic Council of Europe laid out their strategy for the future – and the fundamental rule was never dilute your presence. That is to say, do not integrate.” “Rather, concentrate Muslim presence in a particular area until you are a majority in that area, so that the institutions of the local community come to reflect Islamic structures. The education system will be Islamic, the shops will serve only halal food, there will be no advertisements showing naked or semi-naked women, and so on.”

The next step will be pushing the Government to recognize sharia law for Muslim communities – which will be backed up by the claim that it is “racist” or “Islamophobic” to deny them this. Sookhdeo noted that there is already a Sharia Law Council for the UK. “There are Muslim men in Britain who marry and divorce three women, then marry a fourth time – and stay married, in sharia law, to all four.” “The more fundamentalist clerics think that it is only a matter of time before they will persuade the Government to concede on the issue of sharia law. Given the Government's record of capitulating, you can see why they believe that.”

In France, Muslims already have many smaller states within the state. Criminologist Lucienne Bui Trong wrote that: “From 106 hot points in 1991, we went to 818 sensitive areas in 1999.” The term she used, “sensitive areas,” was used to describe Muslim no-go zones where anything representing a Western institution (post office truck, firemen, even mail order delivery firms) was routinely ambushed with Molotov cocktails. The number was 818 in 2002, when the French government decided to stop collecting the statistics.

In some of these areas, the phenomenon of gang rape “has become banal.” Violence against and pressure on women is part of daily life in the suburbs, where boys can dictate how girls should dress. Pressure is mounting for Muslim women to wear veils. In 2002, a 17-year-old girl was set alight by an 18-year-old boy as his friends stood by. The support group “Ni Putes, Ni Soumises” (“Neither Whores nor Submissives”) says the number of forced marriages has risen in recent years, with roughly 70,000 girls pressured into unwanted relationships each year in France. A leaked study conducted between October 2003 and May 2004 under the auspices of France’s inspector-general of education, Jean Pierre Obin, described an educational system where Muslim students regularly boycotted classes that concerned Voltaire, Rousseau and Moliere, whom the students accused of being anti-Islamic. Orbin’s report cited Muslim students’ refusal to use the “plus” sign in mathematics because it looks like a crucifix; Muslims boycotting class trips to churches, cathedrals and monasteries; and forcing wholesale changes in school lunch fare to accommodate their religious practices.

The influence of radical Islamist groups is a growing threat to French business, too, a leading intelligence expert warned, citing the discovery of secret prayer-rooms at the Disneyland theme-park outside Paris. A report commissioned by several retail and courier companies stated that the Islamists’ strategy is to “take control of Muslims within the workforce” and then “challenge the rules in order to impose Islamic values.” French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said that the riots in 2005 were rather “well organized.” Caroline Glick of the Jerusalem Post noted that some Muslim leaders explained that what they wanted was autonomy in their ghettos: “They seek to receive extraterritorial status from the French government, meaning that they will set their own rules based, one can assume, on Sharia law. If the French government accepts the notion of communal autonomy, France will cease to be a functioning state.” Following three weeks of unrest, the police said 98 vehicles torched in one day marked a “return to a normal situation everywhere in France.” Some of the rioters left boasting messages on various Internet forums. “We aren’t going to let up. The French won’t do anything and soon, we will be in the majority here.” One observer stated: “In France, the majority of young Muslims believe that French society is dying, committing suicide. More like 10 percent to 20 percent of them believe that they are in the process of replacing European civilization with an Islamic one.” In the southern city of Marseille, Muslims make up at least a quarter of the population, and rising fast.

In the Netherlands, Muslims will soon make up the majority in all major cities. “Today, we have 1 million Muslims out of 16 million Dutch,” according to Frits Bolkestein, Dutch politician and former EU Commissioner. “Within 10 years, they will have an absolute majority in both Amsterdam and Rotterdam. We are staring into the face of a shortly to be divided community. Muslims have the right to their own schools, so there is no teaching of evolution, gay teachers are not tolerated but anti-Semitism is.” A researcher for the Netherlands Ministry for Immigration and Integration found that 40% of young Moroccan Muslims in the Netherlands rejected Western values and democracy. Six to seven percent were prepared to use force to “defend” Islam, and the majority were opposed to freedom of speech for offensive statements, particularly criticism of Islam.

We are witnessing a dramatic change in Europe, which men like Bolkestein see as underlined by a drop in national confidence in European countries over the entirety of the last century. The immigration problem, he said, “has to do with the loss of confidence in one’s own civilization. It started with World War II, which was really a mass European suicide. Then, the rise of fascism, the Holocaust and the 1968 student cultural revolutions across Europe. There is no clear European identity today. This has a real impact on foreign policy.”

Douglas Murray attended a conference in memory of the murdered Islam critic Pim Fortuyn in 2006, and noted with concern the strict security measures and what he saw as a nation under siege. “All across Europe, debate on Islam is being stopped. Italy’s greatest living writer, Oriana Fallaci, soon comes up for trial in her home country, and in Britain the government seems intent on pushing through laws that would make truths about Islam and the conduct of its followers impossible to voice. Europe is shuffling into darkness. It is proving incapable of standing up to its enemies, and in an effort to accommodate the peripheral rights of a minority is failing to protect the most basic rights of its own people.” A survey in April 2005, after the murder of another critic of Islam, Theo van Gogh, indicated that 32 percent of Dutch people wanted to emigrate abroad.

They leave what was once their country in favor of people such as Dyab Abu Jahjah, founder of the Arab European League (AEL). The AEL, founded in Belgium in 2000, now has branches in the Netherlands and France, and intends to spread across the EU. Jahjah, who has called the 9/11 attacks “sweet revenge,” recruits Muslim youth to spread his ideology, which calls for the introduction of sharia in Europe. “We have three basic demands,” he says. “Bilingual education for Arab-speaking kids, hiring quotas that protect Muslims, and the right to keep our cultural customs.” “Assimilation is cultural rape. It means renouncing your identity, becoming like the others.” Jahjah has also demanded that Arabic should be made an official language in Belgium. Belgium’s Jews, in particular Antwerp’s Jewish diamond merchants, have earlier felt threatened by the Arab European League (AEL), which issued a statement: “The AEL calls on the Jewish community in Antwerp to cease its support of, and distance itself from, the state of Israel. If not, attacks in Antwerp are almost unpreventable.”

Security sources in Germany warned that the country was home to between 3,000 and 5,000 potential Islamic suicide attackers. A Berlin court in 2005 ruled that a well-known Turkish religious leader should be extradited to Turkey. In his Berlin mosque he repeatedly said that “all Germans were stinking people and doomed to go to hell because they were useless creatures and infidels.” Shortly before, the press spokesman of this mosque had told about the Turks’ strong interest in fostering good relations with native Germans. TV correspondent Reinhard Laska feared that the opinions voiced by the Imam were only the tip of the iceberg: “There was nobody in the mosque who stood up and demanded that the Imam stop his nasty talk about Germans,” he said. “Nobody seemed to mind at all.” In 2006, “Valley of the Wolves,” a virulently anti-Semitic film about the Iraq war, sold out to cheering audiences from Germany’s 2.5 million-strong Turkish community.

According to Der Spiegel, Germany’s and Europe’s biggest weekly magazine, an estimated number of 50 women in Germany have been murdered in so-called honor killings in the past decade. Their crime? Trying to break free and live Western lifestyles. Within their communities, the killers are revered as heroes for preserving their family dignity. Much of this insular and ultra-religious world is out of public view, “often hidden in inner-city apartments where the most influential links to the outside world are satellite dishes that receive Turkish and Arabic television and the local mosque.” “In these families, loyalty and honor are elevated virtues and women are treated little better than slaves, unseen by society and often unnoticed or ignored by their German neighbors.” It caused an outcry when a group of 14-year-old Turkish boys mocked one victim during a class discussion. “She deserved what she got. The whore lived like a German.”

In Denmark, the nation-wide organization of Women’s Crisis Centres claims that a number of taxi drivers with immigrant background are spying on female immigrants who are in hiding, sending information about their whereabouts to their families. It was a group of taxi drivers who informed a Pakistani man where he could find his sister. He murdered her in broad daylight outside a train station because she had married a man from Afghanistan against her family’s orders. 80% of the women seeking help at crisis centres in the city of Oslo, Norway, are from immigrant background.

Non-western immigrants account for nearly 86% of the Norwegian capital’s total population growth over the past ten years. Muslims make up such a high percentage of cab drivers that it can be hard to obtain a taxi during Islamic holidays. Blind people with their guide dogs are finding it increasingly difficult to get a taxi ride, as demonstrated by a lady in the city of Drammen outside Oslo. Grethe Olsen, accompanied by her guide dog Isak, experienced being rejected by no less than 21 taxis before finally getting a ride. Olsen thought the taxi drivers said no for religious reasons. The Norwegian Blind Association confirmed that this is a well known problem all over the country, especially in cities with many immigrants. Dogs are considered extremely dirty animals in Islam and only permitted for certain limited uses, such as guarding your property. Two hadith, traditions relating to the words and deeds of Muhammad, state that: “The Prophet said, ‘Angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or there are pictures’ and ‘Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) ordered the killing of dogs and we would send (men) in Medina and its corners and we did not spare any dog that we did not kill.’”

Mullah Krekar, former leader of Kurdish guerilla group Ansar-al-Islam, lives in Oslo. He has praised Iraqi al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, has stated that “Osama bin Laden is a good person” and that he was willing to sacrifice himself for bin Laden. Krekar told an Oslo newspaper that there’s a war going on between the West and Islam, and that he was sure that Islam would win. Rumor has it that Krekar is such a respected man among many fellow Muslims that he gets taxi rides for free. Which means that it is easier to get a taxi ride in Norway’s capital if you praise Osama bin Laden than if you are blind.

It has been reported that shopkeepers in certain areas of Oslo now need to pay protection money. The criminals are more trigger-happy than ever, and since many of them abide by the rules of blood vengeance, violence is rapidly increasing. In Sweden, reports about criminal gangs and mafias, a phenomenon that is growing day by day, are coming in from urban areas all over the country, and a feeling of powerlessness is spreading among ordinary citizens. “We have no other possibility than to flee from this area. Families cannot fight against these problems alone. We are talking about survival, you can get stabbed here. We can only survive by attempting to avoid getting targeted.”

Feriz and Pajtim, members of youth gang Gangsta Albanian Thug Unit in the Swedish city of Malmö, explain how they mug and beat people downtown. “Many of us participated in gangs that fought against the Serbs during the war in Kosovo. Violence is in our blood,” Feriz said. They target a lone victim and make him a scapegoat. “We make it look like he bumped into one of us. Then we have an opportunity to attack him. We surround him and beat and kick him until he no longer fights back,” he said. “You are always many more people than your victims. Cowardly?” “I have heard that from many, but I disagree. The whole point is that they’re not supposed to have a chance.” Neither Feriz nor Pajtim expressed any sympathy for their victims. “If they get injured, they just have themselves to blame for being weak,” said Pajtim and shrugged.

They bring with them a rather brutal culture to Sweden. A BBC article described how the centuries-old custom of blood feuds has made a comeback in Albania in recent years. “The law and order vacuum created by the collapse of communism sent many Albanians back to the ancient customary laws of their tribal roots.” “The Kanuns sanction blood feuds and regulate them from all points of view,” said professor of law Ismet Elezi. “And first they established the rule: whoever kills will be killed. Blood is avenged with blood.” In an effort to end to this perpetual cycle of revenge, the Albanian education ministry has set up programmes for children affected by blood feuds. Each local authority tries to identify the children who do not attend school because they are in hiding or confined to their homes. “It’s between the families. If we go and ask for the police to help this thing will get even worse.”

What the BBC conveniently “forgot” to mention in this article was that these blood feuds are rooted in Islamic teachings. Two men were killed in a row involving a group of second generation immigrants in Copenhagen, Denmark, in 2005. According to imam Abu Laban, who was later responsible for whipping up hatred against his country of residence because of the now famous cartoons of Muhammad in Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten, the thirst for revenge could be cooled if 200,000 kroner were paid by the family of the man who fired the shots. 200,000 Danish kroner is approximately the value of 100 camels, a number based on the example of Muhammad himself. The idea of blood money originates from the Koran, 2.178. Indemnity is secured through the payment of blood money to the next-of-kin or the injured party, as opposed to retaliation, in which the killer is put to death or has a like injury inflicted on him/her. It depends upon what the family of the deceased or the injured party wants.

Politiken, a left-leaning newspaper championing Multiculturalism in Denmark, argued that the principle of blood money might be worth considering. Luckily, they were met by an outcry from angry citizens. Apart from the apparent 7th century time warp Muslims seemed stuck in, many commentators missed out on the worst part of the blood money concept: The compensation to be paid is not the same for all people. The only full members of the Islamic community are Muslim men. All others have fewer rights, due to their religion, sex or slave status. The rates for blood money mirror this religious apartheid system, which is deeply ingrained in Islamic law. A Saudi Arabian court ruled that the value of one woman’s life was equal to that of one man’s leg.

A secret high-level UK police report concluded that Muslim officers were more likely to become corrupt than white officers, with complaints of misconduct and corruption against Muslim officers running 10 times higher than against their colleagues. “Asian officers and in particular Pakistani Muslim officers are under greater pressure from the family, the extended family [...] and their community against that of their white colleagues to engage in activity that might lead to misconduct or criminality.” The report argued that British Pakistanis live in a cash culture in which “assisting your extended family is considered a duty” and in an environment in which large amounts of money are loaned between relatives and friends. It recommended that Asian officers needed special anti-corruption training. Only an extremely small percentage of the inhabitants of Pakistan, and many other Muslim countries, actually pay taxes. If Pakistanis don’t even pay taxes in Islamic Pakistan, why should they pay taxes to, or feel any loyalty towards, infidel, Western states? The clan is everything, the state is an enemy, a mentality people from these countries bring with them to the West, along with the corruption and the tribal violence associated with it.

The massive concentration of Muslims in major European cities will have dramatic consequences, some of which are already visible. If it is allowed to continue, it will destroy the coherence of society that is necessary for our democracies and our legal systems to work. Increased urban insecurity means that the state is not able to guarantee the security of its citizens. If ordinary citizens feel that the state is no longer able to guarantee the safety of their loved ones, then perhaps native Europeans will create groups and “clans” of their own, to counter the Muslim clans. The result will be a re-tribalization of our countries. The downfall of the nation state, if it happens, will be chaotic, painful and bloody. Can it still be avoided? Only time will tell.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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1 posted on 08/08/2006 7:32:30 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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It appears that the Islamists are going to conquer Europe from within, becoming the majority in cities, changing their laws to Sharia Law, and eventually the country.


2 posted on 08/08/2006 7:34:22 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Thing is they are like parasites and eventually will economically kill the host

It will be the dark ages again in Europe


3 posted on 08/08/2006 7:39:34 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Yup, a religion of paece my arse


4 posted on 08/08/2006 7:40:32 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather?)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
The United Kingdom sends out a lot of emigrants on its own, too. Australia is the number one destination, but the United States is also one of the top destination countries.

Europe is taking in too many Muslims--not Arabs or Middles Easterners (Southwestern Asians), but Muslims--but they also have a history of low immigration, and so they could be overreacting. The United States has a stronger history of immigration (a sizeable percentage of the population have been immigrants although there is a freeper who insists that immigrants had a tiny impact on the United States), and as such could be assimilating Muslims. So far, the Muslims who have tried to attack the United States were either people here on visas (and not immigrants) or Muslim converts (or African American Muslims).

5 posted on 08/08/2006 7:40:53 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Hopefully islam can be defeated without millions (billions) dead and society as a whole set back a century...
6 posted on 08/08/2006 7:41:01 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Hah, how do those call to pray sound in Michigan? Enjoy your country while you still can.


7 posted on 08/08/2006 7:42:25 PM PDT by Marius3188 (Happy Resurrection Weekend)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Islamists have already conquered Europe. Just a matter of time before they conquere the US. And we just stand by and watch in the name of tolerance.


8 posted on 08/08/2006 7:43:00 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Iam1ru1-2
The movie Valley of the Wolves was more antiAmerican than antiSemitic and yet it is often only the antiSemitism that is mentioned.
9 posted on 08/08/2006 7:44:07 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: doc1019

Islam has not conquered Europe. The place is still largely a bastion of social liberalism.


10 posted on 08/08/2006 7:45:13 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows.


11 posted on 08/08/2006 7:50:36 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

The only difference between an unconquered Europe and an Islamic Europe is the beheadings and they are coming.


12 posted on 08/08/2006 7:52:12 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: dr_lew

Europe is heading more toward Islamicness (?), but is still far from there.


13 posted on 08/08/2006 7:53:24 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: uncbob

Maybe they all have a serpent in their bellies called the:
Goauld.


14 posted on 08/08/2006 7:58:48 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2

The Islamists better be careful. Europe is one of those places where they periodically try and kill everyone who they think doesn't belong.


15 posted on 08/08/2006 8:01:02 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
How come Orianna Fallaci is on trial, then? How come Pim Fortuyn is dead? How come Theo Van Gogh is dead? How come Ayaan Hirsi Ali was essentially kicked out of Holland? How come it was so hard to publish Mohammed cartoons? How come France couldn't stop the rioters who burned hundreds of cars over the course of several weeks? How come Sweden couldn't stop the riots in Malmo? How come the Scandinavians are telling their women to dress more modestly lest they provoke their new guests? How come Italy is banning men from some of its beaches to accomodate Muslim women tourists?

Islam may have not conquered Europe, but it's on the march and it's pretty clear that Muslims are calling the shots when they want to, and Europeans are absolutely incapable of defending themselves in any meaningful way. It's pretty obvious that there's a good chance you will end up exiled or dead if you have too high a profile as a critic of Islam and that essentially means that Europe's vaunted social liberalism ends where the banlieues begin.

16 posted on 08/08/2006 8:01:08 PM PDT by caspera
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To: Iam1ru1-2
It appears that the Islamists are going to conquer Europe from within

I predict that this will happen. I also predict that once it has occured most of the populace affected by it that aren't Moos will resist it and in fact will reverse the trend. The timeline is variable. The fact remains however that people who are liberated won't be subjugated for very long before they rise up.

17 posted on 08/08/2006 8:10:00 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: doc1019
Islamists have already conquered Europe. Just a matter of time before they conquere the US. And we just stand by and watch in the name of tolerance.

When the Dems get a majority in the USA, they will make criticism of Islam a hate crime.

18 posted on 08/08/2006 8:10:09 PM PDT by Voltage
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To: coconutt2000

Yea … they did such a great job with Hitler, waiting for Europe to respond to the latest threat.


19 posted on 08/08/2006 8:17:40 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Islamicness (?)

That would be Islam.

You see? You see? No one can face it.

20 posted on 08/08/2006 8:18:35 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: doc1019
Actually, beheadings already have a long history in Europe,
ironically and especially France:

21 posted on 08/08/2006 8:22:09 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Where are Constantine IV, Charles Martel, or Peter the Hermit when Europe really needs them?


22 posted on 08/08/2006 8:35:28 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: doc1019

The question is...when will a violent counterforce to Islam in Europe rear its head. I don't think a couple decades of multiculturalism overcomes centuries of bloody conflict. The Moslems may think they wrote the book on warfare and brutality but the Europeans are head and shoulders above them - do Stalin, Hitler, Napoleaon, etc. ring any bells. The question is - when will the battle be joined and what will we do about it? I hope we sit it out and let them do the heavy lifting.


23 posted on 08/08/2006 8:48:52 PM PDT by DHerion
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To: Marius3188
Hah, how do those call to pray sound in Michigan? Enjoy your country while you still can.

Coming soon, Michighanistan.

24 posted on 08/08/2006 8:56:04 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Coming soon to a nation near you...


25 posted on 08/08/2006 10:34:37 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
It's hard to feel sorry for people who see the train coming and refuse to get off the tracks.

I've never had any patience with people who refuse to face reality.

The most dangerous thing in the world is denial.

26 posted on 08/08/2006 11:35:14 PM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George Bush.)
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To: DHerion

You see, Europeans didn't learn the lessons of war, torture chambers, burning stakes, the Inquisition, intolerance, death camps, genocide, etc.; so they're going to return to the Dark Ages and repeat the whole thing.


27 posted on 08/08/2006 11:40:37 PM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George Bush.)
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To: Savage Beast
You are assuming that the average european has something to say about this. Most European countries have become multiparty dictatorships, we are given an illusion of choice. There is also a cost in voicing your opinion, it will hurt your career and you could be harassed by the authorities. Also people are not being told about the dangers ahead. The media will tell lies to keep the idea of multiculturalism going.

Real opposition will only come with the breakdown of the welfare state. Currently large groups of immigrants feed on the host country. When the taxpayers can't pay for this burden any more things will get ugly.

Americans should also be concerned about what's happening to their own country. Mexicans may not be as hostile as muslims, but they will change america. What's going to stop america turning into Mexico.
28 posted on 08/09/2006 2:04:40 AM PDT by cicero106
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Once they rule the capital cities, they can intimidate the national legislatures through physical violence such as the riots we saw in Paris.


29 posted on 08/09/2006 2:16:17 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The worst thing about censorship is XXXXXXXXXXXXX)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
If ordinary citizens feel that the state is no longer able to guarantee the safety of their loved ones, then perhaps native Europeans will create groups and “clans” of their own, to counter the Muslim clans.

I've been saying this for years. If the government can't or won't provide protection, citizens need to do it for themselves by banding together. The two tried and true glues are idealism and clan/family. Even modern gangs work in part by creating an artificial family.

30 posted on 08/09/2006 4:10:30 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Wherever islam goes, murder, hatred and evil follow.


31 posted on 08/09/2006 5:04:19 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

This is the end of the west.


32 posted on 08/09/2006 5:20:02 AM PDT by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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To: cicero106
When I said, "Europeans didn't learn the lessons of...," of course I was using sweeping generalization and biting sarcasm--in the half conscious and cynical hope of jarring someone into meaningful action.

What I was really doing was expressing fury at the forces--and people--who have brought Europe to this crisis.

Not only is it painful to watch, but the people of the world have good reason to fear such dangerous trends in Europe. For example, what happens when Muslim radicals take over the French nuclear arsenal?

As for the Mexican flood into the U.S.--yes, I am very concerned about that. However, it is true that Mexicans, for the most part, are Christian, family oriented, and decent, stable people. So far the American people are lucky in this respect.

It may be that the inability of Western societies to control the reckless impulses of their political leaders and the failure of Western journalism to provide truth and information to the populace could prove to be the greatest failure of contemporary Western civilization and its final fatal flaw, which is further cause for alarm.

Here we are screaming warnings like a Greek chorus to ears deafened by denial and hubris. Those who will not hear us consider us nags, but what else can we do?

33 posted on 08/09/2006 5:37:49 AM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George Bush.)
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