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Pro-life advocates are decrying a grisly new outrage
Salem Radio Network News ^ | 08/09/06 | Michael Harrington

Posted on 08/09/2006 12:19:59 PM PDT by .30Carbine

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To: brwnsuga
Indeed, there is Scripture that speaks to this very thing.

Yet I pray that our God exhibit Himself in mercy upon them as He has so graciously granted this unworthy one forgiveness and grace in His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, by repentance from sin and belief in His Name, amen.

Even so great a salvation does not always deliver from all the earthly consequences of our sin, however. Yet this hope we have, that God disciplines those He loves, as a Father His own children, amen.

A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out, till he leads justice to victory.
Matthew 12:20

151 posted on 08/10/2006 5:43:24 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: DaveTesla
Embryonic stem cells v. adult stem cells =
theory and hype v. therapeutic reality.

Christian Medical and Dental Associations (An excerpt:)

Studies using non-embryonic stem cells, derived ethically and safely from umbilical cord blood, bone marrow, brain tissue and fat, have moved well beyond theory to application. These clinical studies offer solid benefits to patients suffering from heart disease, blood disorders and other afflictions.(1) Adult stem cells have already been used successfully with patients: to treat cartilage defects in children; restore vision to patients who were legally blind; relieve systemic lupus, multiple sclerosis, and rheumatoid arthritis; and to serve as an aid in numerous cancer treatments.(2) The use of a patient's own stem cells is even preferable to using embryonic stem cells because it avoids the problem of the body rejecting cells other than its own. Other new methods such as somatic cell gene therapy are increasingly successful in tissue regeneration and otherwise treating disease.

By contrast, embryonic stem cells have yet to demonstrate a single human therapeutic benefit. The most recent studies in animals have shown ES cells to be unstable and unpredictable—“errors [that] can lead to premature death or serious abnormality.”(3) Worried ES cell researchers were caught doctoring their interpretations of ES cell problems because they reportedly feared that “any mention of that potential problem in the article might be exaggerated by political factions that oppose the research on religious and ethical grounds.”(4) As the ES cell hype smokescreen disappears, a lot of disillusioned and angry patients will question scientific integrity.

And here -

Benefits of Stem Cells to Human Patients

Adult Stem Cells v. Embryonic Stem Cells

Adult Stem Cells

Embryonic Stem Cells

    Cancers:

  1. Brain Cancer
  2. Retinoblastoma
  3. Ovarian Cancer
  4. Skin Cancer: Merkel Cell Carcinoma
  5. Testicular Cancer
  6. Tumors abdominal organs Lymphoma
  7. Non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma
  8. Hodgkin’s Lymphoma
  9. Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia
  10. Acute Myelogenous Leukemia
  11. Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia
  12. Juvenile Myelomonocytic Leukemia
  13. Chronic Myelomonocytic Leukemia
  14. Cancer of the lymph nodes: Angioimmunoblastic Lymphadenopathy
  15. Multiple Myeloma
  16. Myelodysplasia
  17. Breast Cancer
  18. Neuroblastoma
  19. Renal Cell Carcinoma
  20. Various Solid Tumors
  21. Soft Tissue Sarcoma
  22. Ewing’s Sarcoma
  23. Waldenstrom’s macroglobulinemia
  24. Hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis
  25. POEMS syndrome
  26. Myelofibrosis

    Auto-Immune Diseases

  27. Systemic Lupus
  28. Sjogren’s Syndrome
  29. Myasthenia
  30. Autoimmune Cytopenia
  31. Scleromyxedema
  32. Scleroderma
  33. Crohn’s Disease
  34. Behcet’s Disease
  35. Rheumatoid Arthritis
  36. Juvenile Arthritis
  37. Multiple Sclerosis
  38. Polychondritis
  39. Systemic Vasculitis
  40. Alopecia Universalis
  41. Buerger’s Disease

    Cardiovascular

  42. Acute Heart Damage
  43. Chronic Coronary Artery Disease

    Ocular

  44. Corneal regeneration

    Immunodeficiencies

  45. Severe Combined Immunodeficiency Syndrome
  46. X-linked Lymphoproliferative Syndrome
  47. X-linked Hyper immunoglobulin M Syndrome

    Neural Degenerative Diseases and Injuries

  48. Parkinson’s Disease
  49. Spinal Cord Injury
  50. Stroke Damage

    Anemias and Other Blood Conditions

  51. Sickle Cell Anemia
  52. Sideroblastic Anemia
  53. Aplastic Anemia
  54. Red Cell Aplasia
  55. Amegakaryocytic Thrombocytopenia
  56. Thalassemia
  57. Primary Amyloidosis
  58. Diamond Blackfan Anemia
  59. Fanconi’s Anemia
  60. Chronic Epstein-Barr Infection

    Wounds and Injuries

  61. Limb Gangrene
  62. Surface Wound Healing
  63. Jawbone Replacement
  64. Skull Bone Repair

    Other Metabolic Disorders

  65. Hurler’s Syndrome
  66. Osteogenesis Imperfecta
  67. Krabbe Leukodystrophy
  68. Osteopetrosis
  69. Cerebral X-Linked Adrenoleukodystrophy

    Liver Disease

  70. Chronic Liver Failure
  71. Liver Cirrhosis

    Bladder Disease

  72. End-Stage Bladder Disease

NONE


152 posted on 08/10/2006 6:01:40 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: DaveTesla

Thanks again!


153 posted on 08/10/2006 6:03:20 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine

Abortion is a ritual murder upon the altar of conceit before an idol of vanity...


154 posted on 08/10/2006 6:08:01 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Marysecretary
Hi Mary! I count myself blessed to see you again.

Speaking of "bumpy rides"...

I was intrigued by how Jesus fulfilled all the Messianic prophecies from the Hebrew Scriptures, which in turn got me interested in other Biblical prophecies as well. I became particularly intrigued with Ezekiel 36 and 37, which says that in the last days Israel will be reborn as a country, the Jews will pour back into the Holy Land after centuries in exile, that Israelis will rebuild the "ancient ruins," reunify Jerusalem, and develop a great and powerful army. I realized that all these things had come true in the 20th century. That made me curious: if Ezekiel 36 and 37 have already come true, isn't it possible that Ezekiel 38 and 39 will soon come true as well?
Interview with Joel Rosenberg

More at his blogspot here.


155 posted on 08/10/2006 6:13:34 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: steveo; pageonetoo; webheart
You are entitled to your conclusions. I hasten to add:

Truth is incontrovertible.
Ignorance may attack it
and malice may deride it,
but in the end, there it is.
- Winston Churchill


156 posted on 08/10/2006 6:35:06 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: freeangel
Why would anyone think that those who condoned nurder for convenience would not condone murder for profit and vanity?

Indeed.

Damn right there's an outrage by pro-life advocates.

Amen.

157 posted on 08/10/2006 6:35:22 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Old_Mil

Thank you for your post.


158 posted on 08/10/2006 6:36:31 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Lexinom
If the parallel between abortion itself and slavery are not clear enough for the average idiot, maybe THIS will be.

In God's unfathomable grace toward us in Christ, may it be so.

159 posted on 08/10/2006 6:37:43 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: DaveTesla; pageonetoo

A flamefest does not help either the subject at hand or the Gospel of Jesus Christ (and your witness to it) to be known.


160 posted on 08/10/2006 6:38:50 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: cpforlife.org

Thank you for your prayers and pings. God bless and keep you, using you mightily for His purposes on the earth in these days.


161 posted on 08/10/2006 6:40:09 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: cpforlife.org
The thing that we all must remind ourselves of when reading this is that God will be Infinitely Merciful to these poor children, and Infinitely Just to the barbarians who murder and defile them.

A dear Pastor/Teacher made this reminder to our congregation recently as we have been studying the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ:

"Those who will not receive the mercy of God now will get the justice of God later."

Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
Isaiah 53:4-6

Our Father, let them seek You as you let me seek You, wretched, poor, miserable, blind and naked, broken and with a contrite heart, for Your Word is Sure and Your Promise Unbreakable:

For everyone who asks receives,
and he who seeks finds,
and to him who knocks it will be opened.
Luke 11:10

Ho! Every one who thirsts, come to the waters;
And you who have no money come, buy and eat
Come, buy wine and milk
Without money and without cost.
Why do you spend money for what is not bread,
And your wages for what does not satisfy?
Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,
And delight yourself in abundance.
Incline your ear and come to Me
Listen, that you may live;
And I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
According to the faithful mercies shown to David.
Behold, I have made him a witness to the peoples,
A leader and commander for the peoples.
Behold, you will call a nation you do not know,
And a nation which knows you not will run to you,
Because of the LORD your God, even the Holy One of Israel;
For He has glorified you.
Seek the LORD while He may be found;
Call upon Him while He is near.
Let the wicked forsake his way
And the unrighteous man his thoughts;
And let him return to the LORD,
And He will have compassion on him,
And to our God,
For He will abundantly pardon.
For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:1-9


162 posted on 08/10/2006 6:54:06 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Coleus

I am deeply grateful for your post with links. God bless you.


163 posted on 08/10/2006 6:55:19 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: cyn

Deliver those who are being taken away to death,
And those who are staggering to slaughter,
Oh hold {them} back.
If you say, "See, we did not know this,"
Does He not consider {it} who weighs the hearts?
And does He not know {it} who keeps your soul?

And: "If you are slack in the day of distress, your strength is limited." Prov 24:11-12, 10
________________________________________________________

AMEN. I am very blessed by your post and your fellowship.


164 posted on 08/10/2006 6:57:05 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: maxwellp
This is evil, pure and simple.

That sermon will preach.

165 posted on 08/10/2006 6:57:54 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Thank you for pinging FRiends.


166 posted on 08/10/2006 6:58:47 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine

Dr. Nathanson also became a Roman Catholic. God is good.


167 posted on 08/10/2006 7:00:56 AM PDT by hey papa
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To: conservatative strategery
Their consciences are seared.

You are overflowing with the Word, a great testimony to what you have sown in your heart!

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
1 Timothy 4:1-2


168 posted on 08/10/2006 7:03:47 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: red state girl

I amen your worthy prayer.


169 posted on 08/10/2006 7:04:54 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine

The rest of the story is that Jonathan Swift (of Gullivers Travels fame) wrote this in an attempt to improve the deplorable conditions that the poor were living and working in. His efforts were in fact successful.


170 posted on 08/10/2006 7:15:46 AM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: tiki
Today would not be soon enough for me! How I long for Christ's coming to take me home, yet I know that every single day of grace given - this Jubilee "year" as Daniel 9 outlines the times - before the Tribulation is a day of salvation apart from wrath for multitudes who will believe on the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is a time of great harvest!

Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work. Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest! And he who reaps receives wages, and gathers fruit for eternal life, that both he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together."
John 4:34-36
No man knows the day or the hour of the Lord's return; O let us be found faithful at His Coming!
171 posted on 08/10/2006 7:18:00 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: two134711

Thank you!


172 posted on 08/10/2006 7:18:22 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Frwy
It's like Sherwin Williams but in this case it's sin that covers the earth, not paint.

I can see the metaphor even applying to the Blood of the Lamb, slain for all men...

For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Romans 8:22

173 posted on 08/10/2006 7:20:34 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: cyborg

That's a good post and I bump it.


174 posted on 08/10/2006 7:21:38 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: hey papa
In the Word of the Son:

God Alone is Good!

175 posted on 08/10/2006 7:24:19 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Boiler Plate

Thank you, Paul Harvey! (;


176 posted on 08/10/2006 7:25:53 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine

This is so hideous that it smacks of a hoax.


177 posted on 08/10/2006 7:26:13 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA; .30Carbine

http://www.medra.com/ One among many clinics who have offshore associations. Outside of the U.S. you can get a lot of 'experimental' treatments. A very popular talk show host on health and longevity told the story of a friend who would go to Europe for stem cell rejuvenation. The pandora's box is open and it can't be closed. It's sad that there are people who aren't even getting this for life or death but for a few wrinkles or cellulite :(


178 posted on 08/10/2006 7:39:09 AM PDT by cyborg (No I don't miss the single life at all.)
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To: DaveTesla; .30Carbine
A flamefest does not help either the subject at hand or the Gospel of Jesus Christ (and your witness to it) to be known.

Did you bother to read my posts?

Or, are you so wound up in your "cause" that you have lost the true vision for Jesus Christ. It is His Glory that is to be manifest in our lives. Do you go to church, and do you worship God while you are there? Does your Pastor/Priest preach Christ crucified at every chance, or are they vested in mystery and exclusion? Are you bound by rote and doctrine, or is the Spirit of God manifest among you? Inquiring minds want to know.

I have played church with the best. I have been a Southern Baptist elected Deacon I taought the "graduating" seniors ladies. The average age was 73, among the 30 or so of them), and an assosciate pastor of an Assembly of God. I led the song and worship, there. I have a fair understanding of Scripture, having spent three years studying full time (while working full time and raising three children) at a Bible college, and learning some Greek and hebrew along the way. Latin never appealed to me. I do speak a modicum of spanish. I can press 2.

Your zeal is noted. I am trying to give it some direction, according to SCRIPTURE. You are having a nice time patting each other on the back, but in the meantime... souls are bound to hell! Come quickly, Lord Jesus!

179 posted on 08/10/2006 8:28:41 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: .30Carbine
Your welcome.

I have been following this for about a year.

This abomination needs to come into public view.
180 posted on 08/10/2006 10:19:32 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: .30Carbine
Sometimes I wear a black shirt that has the Survivor logo and the skeleton of an unborn fetus. It reads "Survivors of the abortion holocaust." I live in a proudly pro-abort state that legalized abortion BEFORE Roe.

When I wear this shirt in public I can see the antithesis between good and evil with striking clarity. I am either nodded to/smiled at, or scorned and treated rudely.

181 posted on 08/10/2006 2:20:54 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: pageonetoo
Yes, I read all your posts, and I receive your testimony with thanksgiving unto God in Christ! It is your tone that isn't loving.

Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
1John 4:7-12

182 posted on 08/10/2006 4:20:03 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine

thank you.. people need to know and see the truth. May God have mercy on us all.


183 posted on 08/10/2006 4:26:17 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: cyborg

Thank you, cyborg, and blessings upon thee.


184 posted on 08/10/2006 4:36:07 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Coleus

It is His Mercy that is free...only for the asking! His wrath will be very, very costly.


185 posted on 08/10/2006 4:37:18 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: cyborg
The Pandora's box is open >>

you can say that again, it's so sad.
186 posted on 08/10/2006 4:40:10 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Lexinom
I can see the antithesis between good and evil with striking clarity.

Thank you so much for sharing that testimony and your bold witness to the truth about abortion! There are so many areas in our world today in which the line of demarcation ( the measuring line ) is clearly marked and folks have very clearly chosen sides. It seems to be more grace every step along the way, for God knows which hearts need which message to believe the Truth and turn from sin to God, and if a person won't turn because of the in-your-face gay marriage issue, they may turn because of Israel, or Islamofascism, or because of this use of murdered babies' bought and paid for flesh for sale as anti-aging injections for Men...who are like grass. The wind blows over it and it is gone, and it's place remembers it no more...( Psalm 103 ).

187 posted on 08/10/2006 4:48:32 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: DaveTesla
This abomination needs to come into public view.

Lord, if we've seen enough, what must it be like to Your heart? How gracious and patient You are and have been, waiting as a farmer waits for his harvest to be ripe. How merciful You have been and are to raise up workers for Your plentiful harvest fields in answer to our call unto Thee, the Only One Who Answers! You are Life, You Alone Are Good. We are not like you, but You've given us new desires for our hearts as we've gazed upon the beauty of Your Perfect Son. With You, Adonai, we long for all men to see Your Glory. With You, Elohim, we long for all men to come to a saving knowledge of the Truth, to turn from sin which enslaves and brings death, and find the Life, the Life of God, as we have found in Your Son, Your Precious Son.

We ask that Thou would graciously grant an end to all abortion in our time. We know that Thou hast heard, and we know we have prayed in accord with Thy will. We know You will answer from Heaven. We know the prayer itself originates with Thee, and here we do return it in the Name of Jesus, and we give Thee Glory, laud, and honor, for Thy Name Is Holy. Amen.

188 posted on 08/10/2006 4:56:42 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: DManA

Truth is stranger than fiction.


189 posted on 08/10/2006 4:59:10 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I'm so sorry it has taken me so long to see and reply to your post, Sir! Thank you so much for taking the time and for your thought-provoking definition of abortion:

Abortion is a ritual murder upon the altar of conceit before an idol of vanity...

190 posted on 08/10/2006 5:23:13 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine
Ps. 144 is another: "3 LORD, what is man, that thou takest knowledge of him! or the son of man, that thou makest account of him! 4 Man is like to vanity: his days are as a shadow that passeth away."
191 posted on 08/10/2006 6:53:38 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom
That verse is a perfect accompaniment. Another came to mind -

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.
Ecclesiastes12:13-14

192 posted on 08/11/2006 2:54:58 AM PDT by .30Carbine (May God be the Glory)
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To: .30Carbine

Wow! What an interview! I had never heard of him or his books. I believe and have for years believed that Russia is our enemy and cannot be trusted. They will align themselves with Iran, Syria and other Arab nations to come against Israel. Then the grits will hit their fan. God will not allow Israel to be destroyed. America will turn its back on Israel and you can see it happening with the liberals even now. Nothing surprises me much anymore.

Many thanks for your kind words. May God abundantly bless you and yours. Maryxxx


193 posted on 08/11/2006 6:55:30 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: .30Carbine

Witches use this to enhance their warts.


194 posted on 08/11/2006 6:57:16 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Marysecretary; HiTech RedNeck; All
You will be blessed to read This Related Thread
195 posted on 08/12/2006 1:43:22 AM PDT by .30Carbine (May God be the Glory)
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To: Coleus
Father Paul, discussed this today on his radio show.

I am hoping to get on before the end of the show to talk a little more about it.

196 posted on 08/13/2006 5:44:34 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: mware

did you get on? I slept through the show again...

I'm glad he raised the issue. that, and others, need to get out.


197 posted on 08/13/2006 5:15:12 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus
Yes he put me on and gave me enough time to get out many of the facts from the Daily Mail article.

I did mention that instead of attempting to beautify their bodies it might be better to worry about the beauty of their souls instead.

I also told him that when I first read the article I wondered if it was one of those urban legends, (I did read this thread before calling in. :) ) because it was so beyond belief. It was not until I had read other articles to substantiate the story that I was willing to accept that it was actually happening.

We also spoke of the lack of clinical trials in the so called aesthetic stem cell therapy. Both of us wondered where Human Rights organizations were.

198 posted on 08/13/2006 5:56:07 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: .30Carbine

Thanks. It's a familiar enough story unfortunately. I know women from my church who have had abortions before they found the Lord and they all feel sadness and guilt. Only God has been able to cleanse them of it. One woman and her husband had to adopt a beautiful little girl from China because she couldn't have children after the abortion. satan sure has deceived and blinded women in this generation.


199 posted on 08/13/2006 7:36:48 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: mware

Thank you, Jesus, and thank you, mware!


200 posted on 08/14/2006 1:36:22 AM PDT by .30Carbine (May God be the Glory)
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