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Black flag: Unsers busted at crime scene
KRQE News ^ | 8/9/2006 | KRQE News

Posted on 08/09/2006 5:00:14 PM PDT by JennysCool

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To: Graybeard58
Running a police road block is not exactly level headed.

Neither is dressing up like an indian and dumping tea in a harbor. But there are times when the right to liberty demands to be asserted. To the meek or the sheepish, the act may seem like madness or hubris. To others, it speaks of an independent spirit that will not be denied.

I favor the latter interpretation.

101 posted on 08/09/2006 7:27:14 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack

Just curious, do you think Cynthia McKinney was within her "rights" in the capitol police assult affair?

He tried to stop her from doing her congressional duties, was she right in assulting him?


102 posted on 08/09/2006 7:28:15 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: IronJack
I'm a tyranny-hater. It comes in a lot of forms, including uniformed thugs who invent rights to trample the property rights of others in pursuit of their duties.

Your beef is with those who write the ordinances and laws which are enforced by the police.

You're better off taking them on, because I've got news for you:

You ain't gonna win a confrontation with the cops.

103 posted on 08/09/2006 7:28:43 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sarasmom
Constitutionalist is not a derogatory epithet here.

Yeah, that one's news to me too. I must have stumbled onto the Peoples' Temple website by mistake. Where do they keep the kool-aid?

104 posted on 08/09/2006 7:29:42 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
Neither is dressing up like an indian and dumping tea in a harbor

Running a police road block that was set up to protect citizens and dumping tea in a harbor to protest a tax is far from the same.

105 posted on 08/09/2006 7:30:39 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: sarasmom
And you just keep on bending over, bowing down and saying "sir,yes sir" to anyone who claims to be in charge of any odd situation you encounter.

You remind me of those militia people who hole up in remote cabins, then come walking out, sheepishly, after a couple of weeks, after all the electricity and water's been cut off with their hands over their heads.

106 posted on 08/09/2006 7:30:57 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: IronJack
including uniformed thugs who invent rights to trample the property rights of others in pursuit of their duties.

You deny being a cop hater? Your choice of words tell another story.

107 posted on 08/09/2006 7:32:38 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58
He tried to stop her from doing her congressional duties, was she right in assulting him?

She was not doing her congressional duties. She was entering a building where she was liable to be searched and she refused to comply. She simply assaulted him. But nice try for an equivalency argument.

108 posted on 08/09/2006 7:32:45 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
But nice try for an equivalency argument

For a real "equivalency argument" revisit your reply about the Boston Tea Party, then come back and talk equivalency arguments with me.

She was not doing her congressional duties. She was entering a building where she was liable to be searched and she refused to comply. She simply assaulted him.

You still didn't answer the question. Was Cynthia within her "rights"? Would you have assulted the cop had you been in that situation?

109 posted on 08/09/2006 7:36:23 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: GeronL

"why would they need to steal a car. this makes no sense"
uhh... what ?


110 posted on 08/09/2006 7:37:20 PM PDT by FunkyZero
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To: 1rudeboy
Both Al Unser Sr. and Bobby Unser Sr. were booked into the Metro Detention Center this afternoon

The police pursuit of a stolen car, complete with reported shotgun fire aimed at pursuing officers, ended about 11 a.m. when the suspect crashed into another car and then accidentally or deliberately shot himself to death with the sawed-off shotgun.

Might be part of the issue.

111 posted on 08/09/2006 7:37:35 PM PDT by SouthTexas (It's summer, of course it's hot.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Police have blocked off Unser from Central to Los Volcanes NW, as well as Bluewater NW in both directions from Unser...

Al / Bobby: "Hey, Cop: see that street sign? I'm Unser!"

Cop: Yeah -- does that make you bulletproof?"

112 posted on 08/09/2006 7:39:40 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: sinkspur
Your beef is with those who write the ordinances and laws which are enforced by the police.

Yes, it is. But it's also with their pawns. That "defense" didn't work any better at Nuremberg than it does here.

You ain't gonna win a confrontation with the cops.

There are a lot of ways to "win" such a confrontation. Sometimes when the cops "win," they lose. (Ask Rodney King.) My guess is that this will prove to be one of those times. It depends on how much hell the Unsers raise about it, and whether they decide to sic some pitbull civil rights lawyer on the city. Then the taxpayers end up covering the bill for a bunch of overzealous "guardians" who are more of a threat to the public weal than any so-called criminal.

113 posted on 08/09/2006 7:42:14 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack

Where does the Constitution give the police the right to do anything?


114 posted on 08/09/2006 7:43:23 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: IronJack
LOL!
Not sure, but they seem to have spiked it with Everclear before they drank it.

You can continue to "debate" with the dhimmis in training, if you have the time and patience.
I have to work in the morning.
Good night!
115 posted on 08/09/2006 7:45:03 PM PDT by sarasmom (To all political staff lurkers: SECURE THE BORDERS, OR YOU'RE FIRED!)
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To: Graybeard58
You still didn't answer the question.

The question was begged. You presumed she was doing her congressional duties.

Was Cynthia within her "rights"?

No.

Would you have assulted the cop had you been in that situation

No. I don't believe in assult.

116 posted on 08/09/2006 7:45:09 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: JennysCool
I have to side with the Unsers on this one. I know that the chain of command on my property goes as follows,
1. God
2. Me or anyone else on the deed.
3. Any blood relative in my absence or incapacitation.
4. Any friend so ordained by me.
5. The government of the United States.
Notice who falls LAST on that list.
117 posted on 08/09/2006 7:45:23 PM PDT by Boiling point (When the GOP asks for donations, send them PESOs)
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To: IronJack; sinkspur
It depends on how much hell the Unsers raise about it, and whether they decide to sic some pitbull civil rights lawyer on the city.

Had they let the Unsers through there and they were injured or killed because of it you would now be calling the cops irresponsible and also urging a law suit against them

Your every reply shows your prejudice against cops. Nothing they do or don't do pleases you does it?

118 posted on 08/09/2006 7:46:17 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: JennysCool; Jet Jaguar
I just saw the Unser brothers on KOAT and Al said "we were brutalized." LOL I can't wait to watch the news at 10:00.
119 posted on 08/09/2006 7:48:30 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American G. I.)
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To: IronJack
Yes, it is. But it's also with their pawns. That "defense" didn't work any better at Nuremberg than it does here.

LOL!! You are a knuckle-dragger, for sure.

Sometimes when the cops "win," they lose. (Ask Rodney King.) My guess is that this will prove to be one of those times. It depends on how much hell the Unsers raise about it, and whether they decide to sic some pitbull civil rights lawyer on the city.

Let 'em. They won't win. As for Rodney King, I invite you to check out his two-foot-long rap sheet since his run in with those officers.

I'd wager his ex-wife wishes they'd killed him.

120 posted on 08/09/2006 7:49:26 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Graybeard58
For a real "equivalency argument" revisit your reply about the Boston Tea Party, then come back and talk equivalency arguments with me.

Both were assertions of liberty that involved defying presumptive authority. Both bespeak a refusal to accept constraints just because they come from some self-appointed representative of the collective.

121 posted on 08/09/2006 7:50:11 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
Both were assertions of liberty that involved defying presumptive authority. Both bespeak a refusal to accept constraints just because they come from some self-appointed representative of the collective.

You're reading out of a militia handbook, aren't you?

If the police had let the Unsers through, and they'd been shot and killed by the perp, their families would have the basis for a lawsuit against the city, for sure.

You know you sound like a hopped-up Bircher, don't you?

122 posted on 08/09/2006 7:54:12 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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LOL! You'll never win an argument with ol' sinkie when his "mind" is made up:

That the cops kept these two hot dogs from getting their heads blown off?

Notice the little fantasy land that sinkie created from whole cloth.

You're full of it, sinkspur. Perhaps you could spin some more fantasies involving the Unsers for our entertainment. :-)

123 posted on 08/09/2006 7:54:45 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Bush Runner! The Donkey is after you! Bush Runner! When he catches you, you're through!)
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To: Orange1998

If it was on his property the cops should obey his request.
Obey never. Request maybe but...

The scene of a serious crime is always controlled by authorities for all kinds of logical reasons. No one has a right to ignore lawful orders made by legal authorities at the scene.

"Don't you know who I am" tells me all I need to know about who to support in this incident. And those words tell me everything about the person mouthing those words.


124 posted on 08/09/2006 7:55:21 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Graybeard58
Had they let the Unsers through there and they were injured or killed because of it you would now be calling the cops irresponsible and also urging a law suit against them

Have you been taking clairvoyance lessons from sink?

I would be yawning with apathy. The Unsers are big boys; they knew what they were doing, and if they got killed, it's on their heads, not the cops'.

Your every reply shows your prejudice against cops. Nothing they do or don't do pleases you does it?

They are civil servants, the hired help. Nothing more. Donning that uniform and badge doesn't endow them with some Jedi-like wisdom. As long as they understand who they are and what they are, I have no problem with them. But when they become renegades who invent restrictions on American citizens that they then enforce at the point of a gun, they are not protectors, but enemies.

125 posted on 08/09/2006 7:55:33 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
some self-appointed representative of the collective.

My son and I'm sure sinkspur's sons are hard working honest cops, my son is a recent veteran of the war in Iraq any one of these fine policemen would have stopped the Unsers.

"some self-appointed representative's of the collective"? "Uniformed thugs"? Your "hate cops" agenda is showing.

126 posted on 08/09/2006 7:55:59 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: IronJack
As long as they understand who they are and what they are, I have no problem with them.

As long as the little people know their place and stay in it they won't get any grief from you.

127 posted on 08/09/2006 7:58:43 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: sinkspur
LOL!! You are a knuckle-dragger, for sure.

Wow! I can't begin to rebut such a witty, enlightened, and well-constructed thesis. Unless I stoop to YOUR tactics and invoke the "Oh Yeah?" counter.

Oh, and I would wager that my paternal ancestor could trump your paternal ancestor in a pugilistic endeavor. Nyah nyah nyah.

128 posted on 08/09/2006 7:58:46 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Orange1998

I don't see where this incident interfered with the investigation.

But we don't know the whole story either. But we do know that the police control a crime scene completely and have the legal authority to prevent access to anyone during the investigation, collection of evidence etc.

in my book someone who says, "don't you know who I am" tells me everything I need to know about that person and it ain't good.


129 posted on 08/09/2006 7:59:25 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Graybeard58
My son and I'm sure sinkspur's sons are hard working honest cops, my son is a recent veteran of the war in Iraq any one of these fine policemen would have stopped the Unsers.

More clairvoyance? Maybe Blaine could use TWO sidekicks.

130 posted on 08/09/2006 7:59:59 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Graybeard58
collective.

That's a John Birch Society word.

We are all living in a collective, except for the Birchers, who are the only real constimatooshinalists in this pitiful country.

131 posted on 08/09/2006 8:00:29 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sine_nomine

Do you know who we used to be?

LOL, you said it all in a few choice words. Great post


132 posted on 08/09/2006 8:01:08 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: JennysCool
One of the Unsers, I think it was Bobby, got lost in a snowstorm on his snowmobile a few year ago. He wandered into a wilderness area and was found there. The Forest Service arrested him and fined him for riding a snowmobile in a wilderness area. He fought the fine and I don't remember how it came out.
133 posted on 08/09/2006 8:01:25 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: Joan Kerrey
in my book someone who says, "don't you know who I am" tells me everything I need to know about that person and it ain't good.

See my reply number 127. Apparently it depends where you are in the social order as to whether you are under the law like the little folks.

134 posted on 08/09/2006 8:01:58 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58
As long as the little people know their place and stay in it they won't get any grief from you.

HAHAHA! And I just show my papers when the Gestapo demands them and I won't have any grief from them.

Your window on the world is fractured.

135 posted on 08/09/2006 8:03:09 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: tubebender
One of the Unsers, I think it was Bobby, got lost in a snowstorm on his snowmobile a few year ago. He wandered into a wilderness area and was found there.

Something tells me these boys never venture out without a little liquid fortification under their belts.

Know what I mean, Vern?

136 posted on 08/09/2006 8:03:29 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: IronJack; sinkspur
My son and I'm sure sinkspur's sons are hard working honest cops, my son is a recent veteran of the war in Iraq any one of these fine policemen would have stopped the Unsers.

More clairvoyance?

None needed, I know my son. sinkspur's sons? You got me there, I admit, I don't know them maybe sinkspur can answer that.

137 posted on 08/09/2006 8:05:17 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: sinkspur; IronJack
aas:

"You're full of it, sinkspur. Perhaps you could spin some more fantasies involving the Unsers for our entertainment."

sinkie:

Something tells me these boys never venture out without a little liquid fortification under their belts.

OK, now roll over and bark twice. GOOD sinkie.

Here's a biscuit, boy. :-)

138 posted on 08/09/2006 8:06:44 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Bush Runner! The Donkey is after you! Bush Runner! When he catches you, you're through!)
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To: Jet Jaguar
until crashing into another vehicle at the corner of Unser and Bluewater

I presume this street is named after Unser?

139 posted on 08/09/2006 8:07:08 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: sinkspur

I believe they are Native Americans?


140 posted on 08/09/2006 8:07:10 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: IronJack
Your window on the world is fractured.

And your's is so colored by hatred that you can't see the truth through it.

141 posted on 08/09/2006 8:07:11 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: tubebender
I believe they are Native Americans?

Makes sense. Firewater cures many ills.

142 posted on 08/09/2006 8:09:22 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur

I don't see how anybody can think this is a property rights issue. It didn't even happen on their property if I'm reading the article correctly. They got in trouble for attempting to break through a police barrier.

And you know what would be happening if one or both of them got through the barrier and caught a bullet. They'd be suing the police department for not warning them of the seriousness of the situation.


143 posted on 08/09/2006 8:11:35 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby
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To: Graybeard58
And your's is so colored by hatred that you can't see the truth through it.

It's true: I hate tyrants. Whatever their stripe.

144 posted on 08/09/2006 8:11:49 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: abigailsmybaby
Not according to number 125. They are big boys and would never sue for that. Horse Crap. The cop bashers here would be calling for the cops heads had they let the Unsers through and they had been harmed.
145 posted on 08/09/2006 8:13:54 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: JennysCool

Uh Oh...


146 posted on 08/09/2006 8:15:07 PM PDT by woofie
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To: IronJack

Tyrants, uniformed thugs, representatives of the collective. Any more colorful descriptives?


147 posted on 08/09/2006 8:15:17 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Lancey Howard

Yep


148 posted on 08/09/2006 8:15:57 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Lancey Howard; IronJack
I presume this street is named after Unser?

So, the cops must be hi skool grajuates.

People on the scene also said the deputies didn’t recognize Al Unser and didn’t care who he was

Hey, lookie here, Deputy Clem-Bob! These-here guys has got the same name as the street we-uns is on! Go figur!

"Know what I mean, Vern?"

149 posted on 08/09/2006 8:16:27 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Bush Runner! The Donkey is after you! Bush Runner! When he catches you, you're through!)
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To: Graybeard58
Any more colorful descriptives?

For the cops or for you?

I've got volumes of them. You forgot "hired help" and "Gestapo."

150 posted on 08/09/2006 8:18:17 PM PDT by IronJack
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