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Black flag: Unsers busted at crime scene
KRQE News ^ | 8/9/2006 | KRQE News

Posted on 08/09/2006 5:00:14 PM PDT by JennysCool

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To: sinkspur
The cops are their "betters" when they're in pursuit and working a crime scene.

When cops are working a crime scene, anybody who interferes for any reason are subject to physical restraint and/or arrest. Things may work out later to be in the favor of the restrained and/or arrested, but at the scene, at the time the cops are in charge. They may be wrong in their interpretation and enforcement of the law, but they will always believe they are in right, at the time, and will act accordingly. Only a fool will try to bully a cop at a crime scene. If a person doesn't want to wear handcuffs and arrange bail, then stand back until the cops get done with what they're doing.

51 posted on 08/09/2006 5:38:45 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: IronJack

They forgot they weren't the Clinton's.


52 posted on 08/09/2006 5:39:34 PM PDT by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: Orange1998
Sounds like the Unsers were owned, imo.


53 posted on 08/09/2006 5:39:39 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Graybeard58

I was bored one day clicking away on FR when I came across a thread where TM was banned. Many pleaded with JR to keep him posting but to no avail. In my opinion the comments of TM were no worse than some posters have said in the past with current privileges. I am sure it was deeper than what was posted and we may never know the other side of the story since he is gone. I wonder if they will ban me for even thinking about it.


54 posted on 08/09/2006 5:41:43 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: sinkspur
The cops are their "betters" when they're in pursuit and working a crime scene.

What part of the Constitution is that in?

The Unsers apparently have your attitude, which is why they got cuffed.

Never mind the legality of that action ...

Where do these crazy guys get off thinking they've got a right to their own property???? Especially if it means more work for the [genuflecting] Police?

55 posted on 08/09/2006 5:43:36 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Orange1998
I am really curious about "farmfriend", she posted mostly farm related things and then one day she was gone. Guess we will never know.
56 posted on 08/09/2006 5:45:00 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: 1rudeboy
I see what your saying but you can't take the media literally.

While the incident was still unfolding is a relative statement

he still refused to leave, saying it was his property--he owned it. this is a statement of fact, either he owned it or not.

57 posted on 08/09/2006 5:48:31 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: IronJack
Where do these crazy guys get off thinking they've got a right to their own property???? Especially if it means more work for the [genuflecting] Police?

They were interfering with a live situation. Al's need to get to the beer cooler is secondary to law enforcement's need to defuse the situation.

58 posted on 08/09/2006 5:49:22 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: PistolPaknMama
Butter and salt. Only way to go.
59 posted on 08/09/2006 5:50:02 PM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Yup. It just had to be in there, didn't it?
60 posted on 08/09/2006 5:50:52 PM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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To: Orange1998

I have no beef with your scepticism of the media but I fail to see how that leads to the presumption that the Unsers' property rights were violated. I'm just having a tough time imagining a cop who has nothing better to do than prevent someone walking past a dead man in a car on the street.


61 posted on 08/09/2006 5:52:48 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: JennysCool

But, did they blame the jews?


62 posted on 08/09/2006 5:53:19 PM PDT by I_like_good_things_too
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To: JennysCool

Awwww, they were busted because they wouldn't leave. I thought they were chased down. Don't you know the cop that caught Al and Bobby Unser in a car chase would have bragging rights for the rest of his life?


63 posted on 08/09/2006 5:54:47 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (The most important thing is sincerity. Once you can fake that, everything else is easy.)
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To: Richard Kimball
That story woulda been news for days. I can just imagine the fun Leno and Letterman (especially Letterman, being an Indy guy) would have had with it!
64 posted on 08/09/2006 5:57:51 PM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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To: Orange1998
Wow! That's the kind of post that keeps libertarians with 2% of the vote. Police don't need a warrant if they have probable cause, and a guy running around with a sawed off shotgun is probable cause. They can also order people to a safe area when they're putting themselves in danger, and yes, it's all settled case law.

I've even been known to have a guy dragged out of a burning building who was going back in to rescue his cat. Yes, we rescued the cat, and no we didn't have to do CPR on it.

65 posted on 08/09/2006 6:01:48 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (The most important thing is sincerity. Once you can fake that, everything else is easy.)
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To: sinkspur
Civilian police forces are not the USA DOD, and however much they really wannabe, I will never cede them the powers of undeclared Martial Law on the CONUS.

Chances are high that a large percentage of the affected citizen population denied the free pursuit of their health, wealth and happiness were screwed by inept local police force stupidity in this situation.

You may think submission to "police authority" is a natural human response.
I do not.
I hope the Ungers sue them out of existence.
66 posted on 08/09/2006 6:03:20 PM PDT by sarasmom (To all political staff lurkers: SECURE THE BORDERS, OR YOU'RE FIRED!)
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To: 1rudeboy
If the Unsers were ordered off their own property and they refused to leave, especially if other family were still on the property, I tend to side with the Unsers. The Cop's need more to order them off their own property.
67 posted on 08/09/2006 6:05:20 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: 1rudeboy

Maybe just maybe he was leaving a strip club and drinking.

http://www.mugshots.net/al_unser_jr/


68 posted on 08/09/2006 6:07:59 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: sarasmom; Richard Kimball

The police do have authority to keep you off your own property under certain situations just as fire men do as described in number 65.


69 posted on 08/09/2006 6:08:00 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: DB
While the incident was still unfolding, Bernalillo County sheriff's investigators allege Al Unser started going through a roadblock in an attempt to get to his property. [emphasis added]

70 posted on 08/09/2006 6:09:20 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Graybeard58

Not this one.


71 posted on 08/09/2006 6:10:01 PM PDT by sarasmom (To all political staff lurkers: SECURE THE BORDERS, OR YOU'RE FIRED!)
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To: sinkspur
Al's need to get to the beer cooler is secondary to law enforcement's need to defuse the situation.

What other rights go by the wayside when law enforcement needs to "defuse" something? I thought that's what the Constitution was for, to set limits on those sorts of things.

How did you know the Unsers were trying to get to the beer cooler?

72 posted on 08/09/2006 6:10:30 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Orange1998
That dramatic conclusion happened at an intersection close to some Unser family property.

Public road. Near but not on the Unser's property. The cops were doing their job and the Unsers, in their self-absorbed arrogance, were endangering themselves, the police and the public. Hey, maybe the Unsers are "libertarians" too?

73 posted on 08/09/2006 6:11:41 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: sarasmom

I hope you never have to find out the hard way.


74 posted on 08/09/2006 6:13:08 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: rogue yam

Now you've done it. I have the mental image of libertarians blasting their way through roadblocks all over the United States.


75 posted on 08/09/2006 6:13:42 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: All
"While the incident was still unfolding, Bernalillo County sheriff's investigators allege Al Unser started going through a roadblock in an attempt to get to his property."

Where in the world were anybody's property rights violated here? It was stated that the incident was near Unser property and that the Unsers attempted to blow a roadblock because they are special.

76 posted on 08/09/2006 6:13:46 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: sarasmom
Chances are high that a large percentage of the affected citizen population denied the free pursuit of their health, wealth and happiness were screwed by inept local police force stupidity in this situation.

With all due respect, this is just about the dumbest thing I have ever read on FR. Really and truly. You fail to see that a man with a shotgun was in a standoff with police, apparently.

I hope the Ungers sue them out of existence.

On what basis? That the cops kept these two hot dogs from getting their heads blown off?

The Unsers will be lucky to get off with a slap on the wrist and a public apology for making asses of themselves.

77 posted on 08/09/2006 6:13:57 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Graybeard58

We may never know.


78 posted on 08/09/2006 6:16:17 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: IronJack
How did you know the Unsers were trying to get to the beer cooler?

Just a guess.

I thought that's what the Constitution was for, to set limits on those sorts of things.

The police are charged with protecting the citizenry. One of the ways they do that is prevent hot-heads from walking into a standoff with a suicidal creep.

79 posted on 08/09/2006 6:16:56 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: IronJack
The cops are their "betters" when they're in pursuit and working a crime scene.

What part of the Constitution is that in?

Why don't you go interfere with a crime scene, get yourself arrested, and run your case all the way to the Supreme Court? Then you'll know.

80 posted on 08/09/2006 6:19:35 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: wardaddy
Worst day on this forum for many good longtime freepers.

I've FReeped almost every day since '98 but I missed this event completely. I would very much appreciate it if you or another FReeper could direct me to more information about this. Thanks.

81 posted on 08/09/2006 6:19:41 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Richard Kimball
Wow! That's the kind of post that keeps libertarians with 2% of the vote.

LOL! The clowns are well below 1% these days.

82 posted on 08/09/2006 6:20:34 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Now you've done it. I have the mental image of libertarians blasting their way through roadblocks all over the United States.

I'm working up a screenplay right now. Sort of "Smokey and the Bandit" meets "The Fountainhead". Eventually I'll hire dfu to re-write "Convoy" for the theme music. Oh, it'll be big, let me tell you!

83 posted on 08/09/2006 6:23:56 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
What's the line that we always see in these stories? Wait for it... “Don't you know who I am? Ah yes, it's classic.

Yes, the classic sign of a jerk.

84 posted on 08/09/2006 6:25:47 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: rogue yam

Why did I post this? Here is the link.

85 posted on 08/09/2006 6:33:02 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: JennysCool

Sounds like a Maurice Clarett adventure.


86 posted on 08/09/2006 6:33:30 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: 1rudeboy

What does an incident look like when it's all folded up? You know...before it begins to unfold. (Lame "journalist" cliches....)


87 posted on 08/09/2006 6:34:13 PM PDT by clintonh8r (To err is human; to forgive, divine. Neither is Marine Corps policy.)
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To: Graybeard58

This wasn't one of them.


88 posted on 08/09/2006 6:38:16 PM PDT by sarasmom (To all political staff lurkers: SECURE THE BORDERS, OR YOU'RE FIRED!)
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To: sinkspur
Law abiding free citizens "saved" by the cops, getting arrested and tossed into jail for failure to obey the cops proffered "protection from a criminal"...

I guess you will never see the irony of this situation, until it actually happens to you.
89 posted on 08/09/2006 6:44:51 PM PDT by sarasmom (To all political staff lurkers: SECURE THE BORDERS, OR YOU'RE FIRED!)
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To: sarasmom
started going through a roadblock in an attempt to get to his property.

To begin with this isn't about his property, he could have chosen a different route to get to his property or he could simply have waited but chose to run a police road block, sorry to have to disagree with you but he has no right to do that.

90 posted on 08/09/2006 6:46:18 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: sarasmom
I guess you will never see the irony of this situation, until it actually happens to you.

I've got two sons who are cops. They spend half their time in situations like this trying to keep the "constitutionalists" from walking into the line of fire.

If you interfere with a police situation, you are not a "law abiding citizen." You're interfering with a police situation.

Firemen have this problem too, with well-meaning homeowners wanting to run back inside a fully-involved house. Guess you support them standing aside and allowing dummies to burn themselves alive.

91 posted on 08/09/2006 6:51:24 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur; smaagee
I've got two sons who are cops. They spend half their time in situations like this trying to keep the "constitutionalists" from walking into the line of fire.

I too have a son who is a cop and a member of this forum. I've pinged him to this post, if he's home maybe he will come by and give us some personal accounts of just what you are talking about. I've heard them from him.

92 posted on 08/09/2006 6:54:17 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: sinkspur
The police are charged with protecting the citizenry.

And who protects the citizenry from the cops?

One of the ways they do that is prevent hot-heads from walking into a standoff with a suicidal creep.

Yep, those crazy Unsers sure seemed like "hot-heads." Imagine their untrammeled rage in insisting that they be allowed access to their own property! They must have been raving!

93 posted on 08/09/2006 7:08:42 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Moonman62
Why don't you go interfere with a crime scene, get yourself arrested, and run your case all the way to the Supreme Court? Then you'll know.

Wouldn't it be easier just to read the Constitution? Oh, sorry. I can see where that method wouldn't work for YOU ... not that there's any shame in illiteracy.

94 posted on 08/09/2006 7:10:26 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
Imagine their untrammeled rage in insisting that they be allowed access to their own property!

You're a cop-hater, aren't you?

A shoe-sized-IQ'd cop-hater.

95 posted on 08/09/2006 7:12:54 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur
In the real world, firefighters routinely evacuate five families from an apartment building with a smoking dryer problem.
Three fire trucks and four EMS units, all with lights flashing spend a few hours guarding the "dangerous" situation.
Meanwhile, men, women and children are standing outside their homes with no shoes and no coats in very cold weather.
Yes, I took it upon myself to provide socks, shoes, blankets and coats to my neighbors.
Thank goodness the cops were not there to charge me with "interfering" in an emergency situation.
The "competent authorities" had it all covered...not.
And as far as denigrating my "constitutionalist" viewpoint-may I direct you to the homepage of this website.
You seem in need of a refresh/reminder of exactly where you are, and to whom you are pontificating on the world wide web.
Constitutionalist is not a derogatory epithet here.
96 posted on 08/09/2006 7:13:50 PM PDT by sarasmom (To all political staff lurkers: SECURE THE BORDERS, OR YOU'RE FIRED!)
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To: IronJack
Yep, those crazy Unsers sure seemed like "hot-heads."

Running a police road block is not exactly level headed.

97 posted on 08/09/2006 7:14:44 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: sarasmom
And as far as denigrating my "constitutionalist" viewpoint-may I direct you to the homepage of this website.
You seem in need of a refresh/reminder of exactly where you are, and to whom you are pontificating on the world wide web.
Constitutionalist is not a derogatory epithet here.

It is when applied to people who interfere with law enforcement or fire personnel.

You just go right ahead and do whatever you want, whenever you want. If butting into police business is part of that, don't be surprised if you hear "Let's see ten fingers on the hood, ma'm. Ten fingers on the hood."

98 posted on 08/09/2006 7:18:47 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur
You're a cop-hater, aren't you?

I'm a tyranny-hater. It comes in a lot of forms, including uniformed thugs who invent rights to trample the property rights of others in pursuit of their duties.

A shoe-sized-IQ'd cop-hater.

Wow, you gathered that from my posts? That must be the same clairvoyance you invoked to know the Unsers' motives. You're wasting your talent running the "Guess My Weight" booth at the traveling carnival. I hear David Blaine is looking for an apprentice.

99 posted on 08/09/2006 7:23:57 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: sinkspur

And you just keep on bending over, bowing down and saying "sir,yes sir" to anyone who claims to be in charge of any odd situation you encounter.





100 posted on 08/09/2006 7:26:38 PM PDT by sarasmom (To all political staff lurkers: SECURE THE BORDERS, OR YOU'RE FIRED!)
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