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3 Egyptians Held in Failure to Appear for Exchange Program
New York Times ^ | 10 August | Associated Press

Posted on 08/10/2006 12:37:24 AM PDT by Roy Tucker

MINNEAPOLIS, Aug. 9 — Three Egyptian students who failed to appear for their exchange program in Montana were in custody on Wednesday, the authorities said. The whereabouts of eight other Egyptian students were unknown.

One student, Eslam Ibrahim Mohamed el-Dessouki, 21, was arrested here on an administrative immigration violation, federal officials said. Two others, whose names were not released, surrendered at police headquarters in Manville, N.J.

“In response to hearing in the media that they should turn themselves in to the nearest police station, they did just that,” Steven Siegel, a spokesman for the F.B.I. in Newark, said.

The bureau said the missing students posed no terrorism threat.

The men were in a group of 17 students destined for Montana State University who arrived from Cairo on July 29 at Kennedy International Airport in New York, federal and university officials said. The other six arrived at the campus in Bozeman.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota; US: Montana; US: New Jersey; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: egypt; egyptian; egyptianstudents; eldessouki; exchangejihadists; foreignstudents; missing; students; studentvisas; wot
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1 posted on 08/10/2006 12:37:25 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: Roy Tucker
The bureau said the missing students posed no terrorism threat.

And you know that because....?

2 posted on 08/10/2006 12:42:43 AM PDT by Jean S
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To: JeanS

Good question.

Apparently, the two found in NJ got lost and were hanging out with friends who (miracle of miracles) happened to live in NJ.

Ever since the FBI moved in after the massacre in Seattle and said they did not see terror as a motive, I discount everything they say.


3 posted on 08/10/2006 12:50:24 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: Roy Tucker

How many of these "students" came in on forged papers or applications half filled out? I'm sure a couple can be found hanging around Norman, Oklahoma.

Cells are here and have been here for years, yet nothing has been done to eliminate them. They're just waiting for the word to act. US might want to consider domestic flights.


4 posted on 08/10/2006 12:55:23 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: JeanS
Here is more on the two found in Manville, NJ missing Egyptians
5 posted on 08/10/2006 12:56:00 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: Roy Tucker

Enough of this PC crap, especially with the news tonight. It is time to profile at airports.


6 posted on 08/10/2006 12:56:12 AM PDT by Jean S
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To: mtbopfuyn

I'd say report it to the FBI, but I have my doubts these days that this sort of stuff interests them.


7 posted on 08/10/2006 12:58:22 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: JeanS

No argument here.


8 posted on 08/10/2006 12:58:47 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: Roy Tucker; All

I am starting to wonder if these 13 were the US "mirror site" personel of the UK bombing bust ???

(/my tin foil hat)


9 posted on 08/10/2006 1:01:24 AM PDT by musicman
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To: JeanS
Enough of this PC crap, especially with the news tonight. It is time to profile at airports.

Absolutely. I'm sick and tired up to my eyebrows over people whining about being "inconvenienced".

10 posted on 08/10/2006 1:03:28 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: musicman

I hope that is the sort of parallel thinking the FBI is doing.

As the saying goes, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.


11 posted on 08/10/2006 1:04:08 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: Roy Tucker
The bureau said the missing students posed no terrorism threat.

Who's running the bureau? The 9-11 commission?

12 posted on 08/10/2006 1:04:46 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Roy Tucker
A diversion?
13 posted on 08/10/2006 1:12:36 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59
A diversion?

I said much the same earlier. Sky News said it would have been bigger than 9/11.

14 posted on 08/10/2006 1:18:06 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Dallas59

Or a dry run.


15 posted on 08/10/2006 1:18:15 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: JeanS

Aside from the obvious safety advantage of profiling Muslims, it would also be a great opportunity to totally bankrupt the ACLU; those freaks would file more suits than they would have lawyers to file or the fees required to file them.


16 posted on 08/10/2006 1:18:45 AM PDT by thelastvirgil (Incumbent politicians: PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE.)
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To: thelastvirgil

Sadly, we keep churning out lawyers as if there is no tomorrow so our hopes of bankrupting the ACLU are probably dim.

Do you know what the difference is between a lawyer and a woodtick?

A woodtick falls off you when you die.


17 posted on 08/10/2006 1:38:10 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: Roy Tucker
Eleven out of seventeen go missing, and the only reason the FBI was informed is that Montana State followed the rules, and notified the Feds.

Two turn up in NJ, one in Minnesota.

Even if these Egyptians have no evil intentions, you really have to wonder how common these no-shows are, and whether some colleges/universities don't bother to notify when some "students" never show up.

The alarm might have gone up on this one simply due to the numbers.

A semester's prepaid tuition is probably a heck of a lot cheaper, and less risky, than forged papers.

18 posted on 08/10/2006 2:24:38 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Roy Tucker

Hey, If Norm Peterson vouches for them, the can't be all bad.
He's probably already got them hanging out at the local "Cheers"


19 posted on 08/10/2006 3:01:34 AM PDT by late bloomer ( Neglegere homo pone aulaeum. semi-retired warlord)
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To: JeanS

They haven't blown anything up. Yet.

}:-)4


20 posted on 08/10/2006 3:02:39 AM PDT by Moose4 (Dirka dirka Mohammed jihad.)
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To: JeanS
"Enough of this PC crap, especially with the news tonight. It is time to profile at airports." It's time to stop all male muslims from entering this country until this war is over! I don't think there was boatloads of Germans, Italians and Japanese allowed to come here during WWII., but back then this country was run by people with backbones not PC wimps!
21 posted on 08/10/2006 3:08:41 AM PDT by ABN 505
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We shouldnt allow any more foreign muslim students. quite frankly cant they get just as good or better education in univerisities in other countries? Of course they probably can get better anti-american studies in our colleges.


22 posted on 08/10/2006 3:15:40 AM PDT by Kewlhand`tek (Those that can't , Teach. Those that can't teach , Report)
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To: browardchad

I am sure there are hundereds of thousands of illegals with expired student visas in the US.


23 posted on 08/10/2006 4:01:30 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: late bloomer

Where everybody knows your name...or at least everybody answers to the name Mohammed.


24 posted on 08/10/2006 4:03:02 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: musicman
am starting to wonder if these 13 were the US "mirror site" personel of the UK bombing bust ???


Absolutely No theories are off the board concerning these guys. We can't be too careful!
25 posted on 08/10/2006 4:23:02 AM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: JeanS
And you know that because....?

They turned themselves in?

26 posted on 08/10/2006 4:45:17 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Roy Tucker

Are they going to send them back to Egypt?


27 posted on 08/10/2006 4:53:14 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Roy Tucker
Initially, the pair told him they went to the bathroom at the airport, and when they emerged, their group was gone, Abolata said.

"They've been in the John way too long, let's just LEAVE them and go on to Montana."

It really doesn't matter if these guys are terrorist or not, they deserve to be treated as such because of their outright stupidity!!

Bye, bye!!

28 posted on 08/10/2006 5:09:40 AM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Hey, I've already got Norman, OK, in the pool. I called it first! But we can share. I'll take the fertilizer store, however. You can have the peroxide concession, given today's alerts.

I'll also call Cairo, IL, and Egypt, TX, just in case.


29 posted on 08/10/2006 5:31:35 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Roy Tucker

I sure hope they're keeping a close eye on 'the other six.'


30 posted on 08/10/2006 5:51:45 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Roy Tucker
 I am sure there are hundereds of thousands of illegals with expired student visas in the US.

And you would be correct, according to the Congressional testimony quoted here:

» The DHS Inspector General recently reported that, from 2001 through the first half of 2005, 45,000 high risk aliens from state sponsors of terrorism and special interest countries have been released into American communities because of the inability of DHS to conduct a thorough background check on aliens.

» An internal USCIS document reveals a backlog, as of late September 2005, of more than 41,000 immigration applications with IBIS (i.e. national security/criminal records) hits requiring further investigation.

» Senior-level USCIS staff have information indicating that suspected terrorists have established bogus educational institutions in multiple U.S. communities and used the student visa program to move recruits into the United States.


31 posted on 08/10/2006 6:28:15 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: browardchad

You'd have to wonder if those bastions of liberalism, like UC-Berkley or UW-Madison, would even bother.


32 posted on 08/10/2006 6:33:42 AM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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To: thelastvirgil
Aside from the obvious safety advantage of profiling Muslims, it would also be a great opportunity to totally bankrupt the ACLU...

Good point - a twofer...

33 posted on 08/10/2006 6:35:39 AM PDT by GOPJ (Al Gore - the original "Millions Could Die" kind of guy....)
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To: Roy Tucker
OK, they got them. Now what?

Do we execute, imprison or deport them?

Knowing our government, they will be released into the United States with no supervision.
34 posted on 08/10/2006 6:37:31 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Roy Tucker
One student, Eslam Ibrahim Mohamed el-Dessouki, 21, was arrested here on an administrative immigration violation, federal officials said.

Other than self-disclosure on the visa application, how do we know that these Muslims are as young as they claim? Their age tends to support the contention that they are only 'students', but what if they are much older? After all, Little League Baseball is periodically rocked by players who are several years older than the rules allow. Latin ballplayers regularly claim they are much younger so as to make it appear to scouts that their skills are well in advance of their peers.

Frankly it's too risky to take their word for it.

35 posted on 08/10/2006 6:38:25 AM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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To: Dudoight

I don't know. They've broken US law while in the US, so I hope they do jail time, but I guess they'll get deported, radicalized and cause problems for us somewhere else in the world.


36 posted on 08/10/2006 6:46:08 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: Beckwith

I vote imprisonment. Given the break up of the jetliner plot in Britain today, the government better not be releasing them soon.


37 posted on 08/10/2006 6:48:02 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: Beckwith

Imprison while fully investigating. They're foreign trespassers. Sample their DNA and tatoo them. If clean, then deport. If questionable, imprison until their claimed homeland is terrorist-free. If guilty of terrorism here, execute.


38 posted on 08/10/2006 7:07:24 AM PDT by polymuser (There is one enemy and one war.)
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To: Roy Tucker

Multiple Choice Test

1. In 1968, Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated in Los Angeles by
(a) Superman,
(b) Jay Leno,
(c) Tiger Woods,
(d) a man from Palestine between 17 and 40 years old.

2. In 1972, 11 Israeli athletes were kidnapped and killed at the Munich Olympics by
(a) the kid who cuts your grass,
(b) Sitting Bull,
(c) Arnold Schwarzenegger,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

3. In 1979, the US Embassy in Tehran was over-ran & 90 Americans were held for 444 days by
(a) Bruce Lee,
(b) Elvis Presley's deceased twin brother,
(c) a tour group of Minnesota grandmothers,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

4. During the 1980s, several Americans were kidnapped in Beirut by
(a) O J Simpson,
(b) the king of Sweden,
(c) the pope and a gang of Cardinals,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

5. In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon was blown up, killing 220 Marines, by
(a) a Domino's Pizza delivery man,
(b) the president of the Southern Baptist Convention,
(c) Catherine Zeta-Jones,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

6. In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70-year-old American passenger thrown overboard in his wheelchair by
(a) Sugar Ray Leonard,
(b) your next door neighbor,
(c) the Little Mermaid,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

7. In 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens and a U.S. Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by
(a) Captain Kangaroo,
(b)Walt Disney,
(c) Mother Teresa,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

8. In 1988, Pan American Flight 103 was destroyed by a bomb in midair by
(a) Butch Cassidy,
(b) the Sundance Kid,
(c) the Tooth Fairy,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

9. The World Trade Center was bombed the first time in 1993 by
(a) Stonewall Jackson,
(b) Michael Jordan,
(c) Winston Churchill,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

10. In 1998, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by
(a) Santa Claus,
(b) your sister's cat's grandmother's first owner's son's basketball coach's ex-wife,
(c) the World Wrestling Federation,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

11. On September 11, 2001, airliners were hijacked to crash into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon by
(a) Bugs Bunny,
(b) Bob the Tomato,
(c) Ricky Martin,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

12. In 2002, Daniel Pearl of the Wall Street Journal was kidnapped and beheaded by
(a) Bonnie and Clyde,
(b) the Michelin man,
(c) Barney Fife,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

13. In July of 2005, several targets were attacked in central London, killing 52 persons, by
(a) the Orkin Man,
(b) Margaret Thatcher,
(c) Mr. Goodwrench,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.


39 posted on 08/10/2006 8:06:27 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Roy Tucker

"No terrorism threat."?That may very well be true,but they violated the trust and good faith of their visa's.They were here to study.Interrogate and then deport.


40 posted on 08/10/2006 8:39:05 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: Roy Tucker

NJ? Islamists destination of choice. No threat there.


41 posted on 08/10/2006 8:55:53 AM PDT by dervish
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To: Roy Tucker

We had Moussauoi in custody in August of 2001 here in Carver County, MN. Let's hope the FBI downtown gets to know these fellows reeeeal well.


42 posted on 08/10/2006 9:38:39 AM PDT by irgbar-man (Coffee -- saving and improving lives every day.)
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To: Roy Tucker

As others have asked, I wonder what connection, if any, there may be to the UK air terror plot . . .


43 posted on 08/10/2006 9:39:05 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: george76

Well done.


44 posted on 08/10/2006 9:56:20 AM PDT by 10000Taxes (Minnesota - Land of 10,000 Lakes, 10,000 Taxes, and 1 tobacco use fee.)
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To: Roy Tucker

Hmmmm. What's the wager that these folks are either not Egyptian at all, or they belong to an Egyptian Terrorist Group? Either way, our Visa and Immigration folks are up to their old tricks and keepin' their usual, mighty sharp eye???? on all those that obtain Visas from or for a foreign country to come into the United States...


45 posted on 08/10/2006 10:09:34 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Roy Tucker
6 down , 5 to go

Numbers 1, 3 and 6 are now also in custody.

5, 7, 9, 10 and 11 remain at large.

1. IBRAHIM, EL SAYED AHMED ELSAYED; DOB OF 4/29/1986, PASSPORT 954757
2. EL DESSOUKI, ESLAM IBRAHIM MOHAMED; DOB OF 02/21/1985, PASSPORT 1002756 - CAPTURED
3. EL BAHNASAWI, ALAA ABD EL FATTAH ALI; DOB OF 04/02/1986, PASSPORT 934679
4. ABD ALLA, MOHAMED RAGAB MOHAMED; DOB OF 02/15/1984, PASSPORT 860972 - CAPTURED
5. EL LAKET, AHMED REFAAT SAAD EL MOGHAZI; DOB OF 09/01/1986, PASSPORT 943306
6. EL ELA, AHMED MOHAMED MOHAMED ABOU; DOB OF 02/02/1985, PASSPORT 595081
7. EL MOGHAZY, MOHAMED IBRAHIM ELSAYED; DOB OF 08/08/1986, PASSPORT 861073
8. ABDOU, EBRAHIM MABROUK MOUSTAFA; DOB OF 02/25/1984, PASSPORT 828682 - CAPTURED
9. EL GAFARY, MOUSTAFA WAGDY MOUSTAFA; DOB OF 07/01/1988, PASSPORT 861673
10. MARAY, MOHAMED SALEH AHMED; DOB OF 09/12/1985, PASSPORT 862634
11. EL SHENAWY, MOHAMED IBRAHIM FOUAAD; DOB OF 08/12/1988, PASSPORT 862534

46 posted on 08/10/2006 11:00:26 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: george76

thats great. gonna use with your permission.


47 posted on 08/10/2006 11:24:52 AM PDT by samadams2000
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To: samadams2000

Yes, use it any time.

I left off a few...

" add the USS Cole, Nick Berg's beheading, and the Barcelona bombings ..."


48 posted on 08/10/2006 3:30:31 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: NormsRevenge

they look guilty to me - and I am sure they are Moslem.


49 posted on 08/10/2006 4:53:48 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: JeanS
Enough of this PC crap, especially with the news tonight. It is time to profile at airports.

I'm all in favor of certain kinds of profiling, but there's a drawback. Turns out there are a lot of blonde, blue-eyed Muslims in Russia and the former Yugoslavia. There are also Caucasian Muslim converts who are just as crazy as the rest of the jihadis. We can certainly keep an eye out for young dark Muslim men, but what do we do about the blue-eyed European Muslims? The American black Muslims? The Asian Muslims? The women? What do we do about the Arab men who get plane tickets in the name of Jose Ramirez or Herb Weinstock? They can blow planes up just as well as the young Arab men.

And I'll let you in on a secret: ICE is profiling. Mr. Fairview and I and a couple who are our close friends went on vacation together. So we had a very dark, bearded man of pure English extraction and a very dark, bearded Jewish man. (They have beards because they're both scientists and they think it's a union rule or something.) Both as American as apple pie. Boy, did they get a lot of attention. I saw security people and others who were trying not to be noticed, eyeing them as they animatedly talked about science and skiing. They did not get searched any more than anybody else but certain people were certainly giving them the once-over visually.

50 posted on 08/10/2006 6:06:58 PM PDT by Fairview
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