Skip to comments.Plane plot involved 'explosive cocktail,' official says
Posted on 08/10/2006 6:01:33 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Terrorists were in the "final stages" of a plot to simultaneously blow up as many as 10 jets leaving Britain for the U.S., sending the planes and thousands of passengers into the Atlantic Ocean, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Thursday.
British and Pakistani authorities teamed up to thwart the attacks, and 24 men were arrested in overnight raids in Britain, authorities said.
An undercover British agent infiltrated the group, giving the authorities intelligence on the alleged plan, several U.S. government officials said.
The men had not bought plane tickets, the officials said, but they were in the process of perusing the Internet to find flights to various cities that had similar departure times.
Two of the suspects recently traveled to Pakistan and later received money wired from there, senior U.S. government sources said.
Among those arrested were a Muslim charity worker and a Heathrow Airport employee with an all-area access pass, according to Britain's Channel 4.
The suspects were planning to stage a test run within a couple of days, said a U.S. intelligence official.
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Liberal attitudes in government would have almost certainly seen them succeed!
"The suspects were planning to stage a test run within a couple of days, said a U.S. intelligence official."
This will be interesting if they expand on this ... were they planing on seeing if they could get onboard with chapstick ( which is now banned ) ?
hang 'the suspects'...plain and simple . We need to start making an example of any that would even attempt to do things like this . Silence the bleeding hearts and hang the terrorist bastards . No mercy . Hang them and then feed their bodies to sharks . Terrify them . It's the only way .
Watch the spin from the left....
"Nothing was going to happen today."
"They hadn't even done their dry-run."
"They weren't going to do anything for some time to come"
"They were entrapped, they never would have come up with this plot on their own."
Add your own....
I agree with the Hanging idea. But feed their bodies to pigs and then drop the pigs over Lahore.
I bet as soon as CNN learns what the "explosive cocktail" is, they'll publish it along with where to get the ingredients.
if you want to see some lunatic rantings, put on a hazmat suit and venture over to the DU..they have every conspiracy theory known to man going..
"I bet as soon as CNN learns what the "explosive cocktail" is..."
Check the Old Mr. Boston Book ...
I think I'll have me a vodka.
"Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent."
Looks like these suspects forgot to read the NY Times article on our wire transfer monitoring program. More likely they wired the money before the program was exposed by the Times. I remember the editor of the Times claiming their story did not hurt the war on terror because everyone knew we were monitoring money transfers.
don't forget they'll also say in what proportions everything must be mixed as well as the best way to implement an ignition device..
This is the way these plots are stopped. Wiretapping and money tracking help but infiltration is what counts.
There are US agents doing horrible, disgusting things to maintain their positions in terrible organizations- we owe them an unpayable debt.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
LOL..I use firefox and have them up on another tab..it's funnier than the blue collar tour..and what's truly funny is they believe that sh*t..
Pelosi and several others have all been giving out with this talking point and I suppose they will try to build it into something leading up to the Nov elections!
Try this mixture: unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) fuel and inhibited red fuming nitric acid (IRFNA) oxidizer. Simply keep separated until needed. Corrosive as all get out, but for a short period of time that really does not matter.
Arrests made during the morning included Waheed Zaman, a biochemistry student, and Amin Asmin Tariq, a Heathrow security worker. Mr Zaman, who sat on London Metropolitan Universitys Student Council as a representative of the Islamic Society, is well known in the community.
not just an airport worker, a security worker. A security worker named Amin Asmin Tariq. Now I wonder who processed his clearance?
They used a peroxide two part solution. Exactly what the other part was they haven't said. I gather there are several things that could have been used and I am sure all this is common knowledge of a lot of terrorists.
That's a dumb talking point.
I miss Kennedy, every chance I get.
Muslims are sick pathetic excuses for life. They are animals. If they convert to Christianity, Hinduism or even atheism, they might can step up the so called evolutionary chain.
It's not that easy to obtain peroxide in high concentration, though it is possible for industrial usage. The stuff you buy in the drugstore is 97% water, and even the kind used for hair coloring is at most 12% active (88% water).
But I bet peroxide will now go on the list of substances for industries to track.
And according to our local ABC channel, Mr. Tariq had a pass that allowed him access to the entire airport.
Simple to make and use. Especially simple if no ignition source is needed.
Go to a swimming pool supply company. I am not certain, but if memory is correct they have some peroxide solutions that are in the neighborhood of 90%. Use only a couple of gallons in a 20,000 gallon pool.
Don't say peroxide.
I had a bad experience at work about seven years ago with peroxide (10%) and H2SO4.
To this day, I'm the only one who knows about it.
***There are US agents doing horrible, disgusting things to maintain their positions in terrible organizations- we owe them an unpayable debt.*****
I didnt know we had any agents in the Congressional Black caucus.
Well I wasn't going to mention the acids but since you brought it up:) Sulfuric acid is one you can use and a strong concentration of hydrogen peroxide. This is what they were going to be using in some kind of slurry solution in a false bottom of sports drink bottles. The slurry would be died to match the color of the drinks.
The highest I have seen is 70%. I think though that what would be used would be organic peroxides which are very unstable - which could be used as an initiator. They can be set off by shock or heat. And yes, they are easy to get if you are in the chemical industry.
Same talking point with Reid.
Do these people think we are stupid or what?
And why shouldn't they? Though, I'm sure they won't...
The terrorists already know how to make the stuff...and out of curiosity, I'd like to know how to make it. One never knows when you'll have to blow a stump out of the ground.
They were supposedly going to use the flash batteries from a disposable camera to ignite the mixture. I suspect they were going to use a cheap timer. This was not a suicide mission I don't think.
It gets REALLY hot.
Yes, the dimwits think they are the only intelligent people around, therefore we must be dumber than dirt.
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Be smart. Motive, Means, Opportunity. The old murder standards. Current screening only removes a large chunk of the means, and the awareness of the public and post-Flight 93 readiness to repell a hijacking on the spot removes 99.9% (or more) of the opportunity. The shoe bomber Reid case shoes how that works -- he had the means, even past screening, yet was DENIED the opportunity.
And in the greater field, the invasion of Afganistan and Iraq, and now Lebannon (by our brother Israel) also have removed whole hives of "means" -- of mean, vile men set to terror and murder.
But we do nothing -- zero, zilch, nada -- at the gates regarding MOTIVE.
And what is the "motive"? Why it is the evil teachings of the particular Muslim sub-sects and significant groups of clerics. Me -- I say those "clerics" who continue to teach jihad as death to infidels, and who teach in any way that to die as a suicide bomber is a gloried matrydom -- those clerics are war criminals of the most genocidal murderous type. No more, no more, no more -- not one day longer should we allow them to teach or speak to any ptotential student or reach out to any by writing, recording, internet, media -- any thing or any re-teller. They are the Hitlers and Mussolinis of our era -- worse -- by their words and teachings they commit acts unbearable by humanity. By delivering and encouraging those teachings and hatred to the young and to the gullible mobs, to the poor -- the mullahs, the imans, the ayatollahs commit murder.
It is they who provide the motive. We must focus on removing the motive -- it is the only area to which we have given no attention. And that is the window through which the missiles fly, the break in the circle of defenders through which good dads become mourners for their good sons, and mothers, grandmothers, daughters and children are viciously slaughtered.
Go against the driving forces -- the motive. The teachings and the teachers.
Yes, apparently it was a very strong solution of peroxide and the other part was sulfuric acid, to be set off with batteries from the flash of a disposable camera.
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I don't know if that would take down a jet. Now, if they used hydrogen peroxide, citric acid, and hexamine.... HMDT. Big bada boom.
Why assume that ALL of the terrorists know how to make this apparently novel explosive?
Like isolated Islamofacist supporters (perhaps in Norman OK), who may need the information to act independently?
If a major news outlet publishes the info far and wide, I bet it reaches people who do not now have it, some of whom may choose to act on it.
You have expressed a desire to learn how to synthesize and potentially use a high explosive (in a public forum no less!), admitting that you don't have the formula right now but you'd like to get it. Could there not be a few others like you, willing to act?
And what if one or twenty of the people who get the information don't live where there are a bunch of stumps?
I think that information that the enemy can exploit should remain under wraps. The mall it saves could be your own.
Ok, it was a TATP peroxide mixture. There is a thread on FR right now explaining the US involvement in the operation. TATP I understand is very volatile and quite capable of taking severely damaging an airliner.
My favorite Winston Churchill quote...
If the rats weren't so concerned it would have energized this nation, they would like to see them succeed. So instead, once again, they jumped on the blame us first bandwagon in step saying Iraq policies caused it. As if they hadn't declared war on us years ago. I am spitting angry.
Actually, it is pretty easy to make a lot of high explosives from readily available household chemicals. The problem is not in the manufacture, but knowing how to handle and store them. I'd suspect most people would blow themselves up trying to make something from such crude sources. And the info is readily available on the internet, and most chemists could do it in their sleep. In the case of HMDT, the precursor hexamine is likely to be picked up by a trained dog. The danger of hydrogen peroxide is that it is odorless.
That said, I see your point. No need to educate the aspiring jihadi in Norman, or Tacoma for that matter.
It already is watched, by DEA.
And the peroxide explosives are watched by BATFE.
Triacetone triperoxide. Hoo-boy.... bold fellows. It is formed in chem labs by accident - usually when you store incompatible (won't say which ones) reagents together and get a spill.
...as a matter of fact, yeah, that is what they think. ... and then we have Connecticut confirming that for them.