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Winches: Are They Necessary?
International Aid and Trade ^ | August 10th, 2006 | Mick Farmer.

Posted on 08/11/2006 1:59:35 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

By Mick Farmer. A while ago I wrote an article on winches and asked the question as to their viability. In the article, I discussed that unless you were a complete 4wd nutter like myself or working / living in an environment where you are likely to get stuck on a near daily basis then -- pretty much a waste of money. One piece of equipment that is, in my opinion, invaluable is the high-lift jack. There are various makes including "hi-lift", "jack-all", and "black rat" but they all do much the same thing; only some have a higher safe working load than others. This is important to take into consideration if you are driving a heavy 100 series Landcruiser. The good thing about the jack is, not just it's capability of lifting the vehicle high off the ground, but also to be used as a winch, splitting logs and clamping together timber or other material.

In other words, you can use it for more than one task and this can save valuable loading space in your vehicle when planning to go on a long safari. Useful, but dangerous if operated incorrectly! I have heard horror stories of eyes, teeth and digits being lost and operators knocked unconscious because of a "misunderstanding" of how much force is on the jack handle as it is being released. Hi-Lift have their user manual available online.

Safety is the key (as with all recovery equipment). When lifting your vehicle off the ground, you are making it unstable, so generally the jack should only be used in this configuration for recovery when stuck in ruts or soft ground where you need to put some material under the wheels to clear the diff casing / leave springs. Also, unless you have approved jacking points on the vehicle that can accept the jack safely, then it should not be used to change a flat tyre.

For instance, you can buy an adaptor to fit the jack so that it goes into the jacking point on a Land Rover. With other models such as Toyotas you may be looking at having a new bumper / bull bar fitted that has the jacking points incorporated. An example of this would be the TJM bars. These have a T section cut in them that are designed to take a high lift. Don't rely solely on a bit of angle iron welded to the chassis (as they do here). This might be good enough to help lift the vehicle but it does not make it stable enough to change a wheel. When using the jack on soft ground it is advisable to use a base to spread the weight.

You can buy the neoprene ones or you can go and get yourself a good chunk of hardwood from Ndeeba (less expensive, can be used for other things and takes more abuse). If you are a first time user then I would suggest that you learn how to use it correctly before you get stuck. Do some dry runs to familiarise yourself with how it works in a safe environment. This will enable you to get a feel of the tension on the handle as the jack is being released. You could also enrol in a course on how to use it. There is one place in Uganda but the name escapes me for now ...

For use as a hand winch, you will need to buy a few extras to go along with it. You can buy complete kits, which cover all bases and are well worth the investment as the contents can also be used for other things as well. Depending on what size jack you buy, either 4 or 5 foot will depend on the amount of pull you get on the first try. Generally, in my experience, two 3 ft pulls backwards will generally get you out. Again, read the manual (preferably take a course), do some dry runs with the equipment first and don't forget to use the gloves supplied in the kit. Think safety first!

Drive to survive.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: outdoors; safety; trucks; vehicles; winches
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I couldn't help but post this article.

He uses the phrase " 4wd nutter like myself" and "hi-lift", "jack-all" and many many more.

And to top it all off, the article is actually somewhat informative. Enjoy.

1 posted on 08/11/2006 1:59:35 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Winch with Mahoney & Snerd:


2 posted on 08/11/2006 2:09:01 AM PDT by pookie18 ([Hillary Rotten] Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: pookie18

Thanks pookie!


3 posted on 08/11/2006 2:10:45 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
When I used to bid on military surplus decades ago, the most common typo was "Wench" for "winch."

As in "barge comes equipped with a heavy-duty deck wench..."

No, I don't think it was accidental, most of the time.

4 posted on 08/11/2006 2:15:44 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
You just have to see this!
5 posted on 08/11/2006 2:15:45 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am a big fan of urban sprawl but I wish there were more sidewalks)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
You're welcome, E_R_F! Wasn't sure how to classify that winch...


6 posted on 08/11/2006 2:15:50 AM PDT by pookie18 ([Hillary Rotten] Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I used to work in ad production for a newspaper. Truck Dealership submitted an ad description for:

1 Ton Truck with Wench.


7 posted on 08/11/2006 2:16:40 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
I used to work in ad production for a newspaper. Truck Dealership submitted an ad description for: 1 Ton Truck with Wench.

Funny, I used to work on the singles section of a newspaper and once got an add submitted that said: 1 ton wench with a truck.

8 posted on 08/11/2006 2:25:40 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: SamAdams76

LOL! The classic "Aw, ****" moment!


9 posted on 08/11/2006 2:42:12 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

ROFL!

Hope it was a Two Ton Truck..


10 posted on 08/11/2006 2:47:14 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: SamAdams76

Lol... whatta buncha idiots!


11 posted on 08/11/2006 2:50:50 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I used the winch on my fine tone Polaris Sportsman 500 ATV twice this summer to pull myself out of tight spots I managed to get wedged into. The damned ATV weighs too much to lift it up and out.


12 posted on 08/11/2006 2:55:48 AM PDT by RushLake (I neutered my dog; now he's a liberal.)
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To: RushLake
to pull myself out of tight spots I managed to get wedged into.

Details? Pictures?

13 posted on 08/11/2006 3:05:29 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: LibWhacker

I thought the pulled car was going to reverse into the pulling truck once the tires caught (note the reverse lights).
Not that I've ever seen that happen.


14 posted on 08/11/2006 3:22:40 AM PDT by freedomlover (This tagline has been pulled - - - - OK?)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

"unless you were a complete 4wd nutter like myself or working / living in an environment where you are likely to get stuck on a near daily basis"

I have winches on two of my vehicles and think the writer is a moron. If he gets stuck more than a couple of times a year and uses that crappy highlift jack to get himself out, he is a "nutter" and he can't drive worth sh!t. Anyplace my vehicles get stuck, you couldn't get me out with a highlift jack unless you were willing to go up and down like 30 times. I'd like to see him using that jack in 18 inches of wet clay. Use the winch. and these days, you can wind it with 150 feet of Amsteel Blue (synthetic cable) that only weighs about 10 lbs. The typical recovery winch comes with a remote control and costs less than $1k.


15 posted on 08/11/2006 3:41:23 AM PDT by anton
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Here's the "Hi-Lift" tm jack. A most versatile tool residing in the back of my 4x4 F-150.

And like Dirty Harry's .44 magnum, "it will plumb take your head off", if one's middle name is stupid.

16 posted on 08/11/2006 3:44:09 AM PDT by Covenantor
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To: Covenantor

Thanks. I didn't really have that great of an idea exactly what he was talking about. Although I really am not sure I would want to use something like that to get a truck out of mud.


17 posted on 08/11/2006 3:47:28 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Winches: Are They Necessary?

I better go ask my winch ......wife

18 posted on 08/11/2006 3:52:25 AM PDT by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

http://www.hi-lift.com/


FYI on its use. Also google Hi-Lift jack to see what serious off-roaders have to say about it. Of course you need chains or wire cable to use it as a manual winch. Note the hook eye at the top of the jack.

Thanks for posting the article.


19 posted on 08/11/2006 3:53:46 AM PDT by Covenantor
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To: Covenantor

I wonder if those are still made in Bloomfield, IN? Here is flyover country, we used to call them "Bloomfield jacks."

They almost work better as a winch or fence stretcher than they do as a jack. You are definitely correct, anything jacked up to any height above shin high on one of those is like a loaded gun. It's not "when it's gonna fall", it's "what's in gonna land on."


20 posted on 08/11/2006 4:01:20 AM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: IamConservative
I wonder if those are still made in Bloomfield, IN?

yup

Hi-Lift Jack Company
P.O. Box 228
Bloomfield, IN 47424

For jack use, the big baseplate is absolutely necessary. I hated digging it out before I learned that. ;>)

21 posted on 08/11/2006 4:09:37 AM PDT by Covenantor
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To: Covenantor
Hi-Lift Jack Company

P.O. Box 228

Bloomfield, IN 47424

There is a little piece of midwest Americana manufacturing that has survived. I bet there is about 20 or so Skoal chewin', Budweiser drinkin', non-union, gun totin', Diesel pickup drivin' rednecks punching the clock in that factory.

Think they are hiring?! :)

22 posted on 08/11/2006 4:21:16 AM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: SamAdams76
Wenches are indispensable!

23 posted on 08/11/2006 4:26:04 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup ("Is it real? Or is it Reuters?")
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To: IamConservative

Yea, A highlift jack is a great tool to change a tire on a vehicle with a lift kit. Other than that, its decor.


24 posted on 08/11/2006 4:32:40 AM PDT by anton
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

ping


25 posted on 08/11/2006 4:48:27 AM PDT by VNam68
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Where would Hogwarts be without winches!


26 posted on 08/11/2006 4:48:56 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: backhoe
When I used to bid on military surplus decades ago, the most common typo was "Wench" for "winch."

Had a first year Contracts professor who made the same mistake while regaling the class with tales of his prior work representing Toyota.

He saw me grinning at his error, realized what he'd said, and bust out laughing.

27 posted on 08/11/2006 4:55:11 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Covenantor

They work great in snow to get the tires to where you can get the chains on (do NOT get beneath the vehicle without additional support). I have even used one to repair a hurricane damaged seawall (jacked the lower stringers back into place). They are a versatile tool for the imaginative, but keeping them clean is a must if you want it to work right--(or have a small hammer handy).


28 posted on 08/11/2006 4:55:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Covenantor

We call those a "hurt me jack".


29 posted on 08/11/2006 4:57:47 AM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

IB4TP?


30 posted on 08/11/2006 4:59:49 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: VNam68

Why are you pinging me? I posted it.


31 posted on 08/11/2006 5:01:07 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: freedumb2003

What is the "P" in IB4TP?


32 posted on 08/11/2006 5:01:35 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

"Ping" -- it is used mostly by the DUmmie FUnnies crowd ;)


33 posted on 08/11/2006 5:04:56 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I think you are not quite getting the humor here :)


34 posted on 08/11/2006 5:05:47 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: Covenantor
"Here's the "Hi-Lift" tm jack. A most versatile tool residing in the back of my 4x4 F-150."

I suggest you upgrade to the F-250 4x4 and put BF Goodrich's on it. It's a tank. Each tire weighs 200 pounds. If you get stuck in that, maybe it's time to think about where you are going before you get there? I like to rip up the desert near Mojave once in a while and target practice away from civilization. It's far too quiet out there:)

35 posted on 08/11/2006 5:55:57 AM PDT by BobS
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To: freedomlover

Lol, I hear 'ya! I thought the strap was going to break and someone was going to get whacked on the head with a buckle.


36 posted on 08/11/2006 12:52:17 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

The funniest thing about that video is that if just one of those lazy bums had just picked up a snow shovel, he would have had the car out that snowbank in five minutes.


37 posted on 08/11/2006 3:56:15 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am a big fan of urban sprawl but I wish there were more sidewalks)
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To: SamAdams76

Not only that, but it looks like the driver got stuck (originally) because he chose to "ram" his way out of the driveway instead of following the "track."


38 posted on 08/11/2006 4:05:57 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: pookie18
Winch with Mahoney & Snerd

That's Mahoney, but the other is Knucklehead Smiff.

Mortimer Snerd was the son of Edger Bergan and the brother of actress Candice Bergan.


39 posted on 08/12/2006 6:57:23 PM PDT by xsysmgr
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To: RSteyn
Paging RSteyn. Paging RSteyn!

Ohhhh.... Winches....

Nevermind.

I kid.... I kid....

40 posted on 08/12/2006 7:01:57 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Winches: Are They Necessary?

Definetly. Many winches on the front of trucks and Jeeps cleared roads throughout the South after the 2004, 2005 hurricane season.

41 posted on 08/12/2006 7:04:05 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I have simply got to cut down on the OT.

I missed this thread by almost 2 full days!


42 posted on 08/12/2006 7:06:19 PM PDT by Radix (“Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings.”)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

A Hoist Roll-Off Truck needs a winch. As a matter of fact, this is the best system for loading and hauling construction waste boxes. I guess whether you need a winch or not depends on your mileage. I only state my specific use because of my many years in the trash business. Winches are necessary, EVEN MY WIFE. ;-)


43 posted on 08/12/2006 7:06:29 PM PDT by lmr (You can have my Tactical Nuclear Weapons when you pry them from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Those winches are very attractive. Do you have a larger photo of the wenches?


44 posted on 08/12/2006 7:07:50 PM PDT by lmr (You can have my Tactical Nuclear Weapons when you pry them from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Do they weigh the same as a duck?

Never mind.

45 posted on 08/12/2006 7:09:35 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Oh, that type of winch.


46 posted on 08/12/2006 7:12:43 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: RushLake

I have a Sportsman 500 too.I sunk mine in a mudhole to the fenders.I was luckey I had enough cable on my winch to reach the closest tree straight ahead[about 30 some feet].The damn things so heavy,it just kept sinking deeper.Sooner or later,I'm going to put a winch on the rear too.I was in the middle of a swamp by myself,I'd been screwed without one.


47 posted on 08/12/2006 7:15:44 PM PDT by Uncle Meat
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Winches: Are They Necessary?

Wenches may not be necessary, but they are more fun to be with in the evening than guys.

48 posted on 08/12/2006 7:22:09 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: xsysmgr

Thanks for the correction...that's what I meant, but the correct name slipped my mind.


49 posted on 08/12/2006 7:37:37 PM PDT by pookie18 ([Hillary Rotten] Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: true_blue_texican

"We call those a "hurt me jack"."

I've heard them called Widow Makers too.


50 posted on 08/12/2006 7:42:25 PM PDT by roofgoat
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