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Two Men Try To Buy Multiple Cell Phones In Ithaca
wnem tv5 ^ | Aug 11, 2006 04:18 PM CDT | WNEM TV5

Posted on 08/11/2006 10:28:49 PM PDT by DannyTN

(TV5) -- While FBI agents pour into Caro another incident breaks out in Gratiot County. At approximately 11:35am August 11th police were called to the Dollar General Store in Ithaca after a" clerk in Ithaca became suspicious after two men came into the store, and became upset when they were turned down while trying to buy several disposal cell phones.

TV5's Mike Terry spoke with the clerk who called police. She said they were two "Middle Eastern" men and said they've been coming into the store weekly and buying disposable cell phones. She said the same thing was happening at the dollar general store in Alma.

You might think the clerk became suspicious because of what was going on in Caro but when we asked the clerk she said she wasn't even aware of what was going on.

The policy at their store is that they can only sell two cell phones, per person, per day. She saw the men put the phones in the trunk of the car and when she thought they were coming back in, she called 9-1-1.

We did talk to Ithaca police while there has been no crime committed-they do want to find these men, and run their names against government watch lists.


TOPICS: US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cellphones; cityofevil; ithaca; jihadicellphones; jihadinamerica; prepaidcellphones; terrorists
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"they've been coming into the store weekly and buying disposable cell phones. She said the same thing was happening at the dollar general store in Alma."
1 posted on 08/11/2006 10:28:50 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

There is some major bad going on. America we had better be ready.


2 posted on 08/11/2006 10:31:38 PM PDT by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: A message

I wonder if it would be possible for the police to remotely disable all the tracfones.


3 posted on 08/11/2006 10:35:08 PM PDT by Ainast
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To: A message
"There is some major bad going on. America we had better be ready."

Always keep your eyes open and your powder dry.

4 posted on 08/11/2006 10:35:53 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: DannyTN; Behind Liberal Lines

I'm shocked.


5 posted on 08/11/2006 10:37:04 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: DannyTN
Time to change the laws on disposable cell phones so everyone will have to give name, address bank account or credit card number, etc before one gets a service.
Congress should be doing stuff like that instead of passing stupid laws on protecting dogs during hurricanes.
6 posted on 08/11/2006 10:37:39 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: DannyTN; jwalsh07

Color me ignorant. What do cell phones have in them as components, which when combined together, assist in creating an explosive?


7 posted on 08/11/2006 10:37:53 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Jameison

What about portable computers that have wifi connections? Should those be registered too?


8 posted on 08/11/2006 10:39:50 PM PDT by RFC_Gal (It's not just a boulder; It's a rock! A ro-o-ock. The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!)
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To: Torie

Electricity. I believe they act as the detonator for the explosive itself.

Call your buddy's phone and BLAMMO!


9 posted on 08/11/2006 10:43:15 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Rabid ethnicist.)
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To: DannyTN

OK, count me as clueless regarding disposable cell phones, but isn't the point that you use them and throw them away? In other words, wouldn't you need to buy them again and again?


10 posted on 08/11/2006 10:44:21 PM PDT by ndt
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To: Torie

Not to create an explosive, but to trigger one.


11 posted on 08/11/2006 10:44:27 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (john F'n skerry = The First Spork Weasel)
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To: VeniVidiVici

So they build a cell phone with a hyper electric charge or something? I never understood electricity. I thought it was a magic act.


12 posted on 08/11/2006 10:44:58 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie

they are used as detonators for remote-controlled bombs... set the timer (alarm or stop watch feature) on the cellphone or simply dial the cell phone connected to the bomb and boom the bomb goes off.


13 posted on 08/11/2006 10:45:05 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: Torie
"What do cell phones have in them as components, which when combined together, assist in creating an explosive?"

A timer and a battery, as well as a means of remote detonation (phone call). A cell phone is a very cheap detonator.

14 posted on 08/11/2006 10:45:59 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: stlnative

But why won't just one do? It seems they need many with which to build a new one that is something rather special.


15 posted on 08/11/2006 10:46:31 PM PDT by Torie
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To: ndt

Given the secrets that the NYT chose to expose, even if only for communication, why wouldn't the terrorists want tons of disposable cell phones?


16 posted on 08/11/2006 10:47:00 PM PDT by saveliberty (I'm a Bushbot and a Snowflake :-)
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To: Ainast
"I wonder if it would be possible for the police to remotely disable all the tracfones."

They might have to regulate them. I suspect this is why NYC had a cell phone outage. I think Homeland Security may have pulled the plug while they figured out if a threat was imminent to NYC.

17 posted on 08/11/2006 10:47:37 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Torie
I never understood electricity. I thought it was a magic act.

Sort of is. Ever wonder what is behind that socket in the wall. Don't tell noone - gerbils.

Same in a cell phone, of course. Just smaller.

18 posted on 08/11/2006 10:48:11 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Rabid ethnicist.)
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To: DannyTN

Somehow I think it would be easier for the terrorists to just go to radioshack and buy the parts to build a timer or remote detonator. It wouldn't be as suspicious because most people probobly wouldn't know what the components were for.


19 posted on 08/11/2006 10:48:29 PM PDT by Ainast
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To: Torie
They use the cell phone usually in vibrate mode to initiate the explosion.

The Chechens were really the first to to this.
20 posted on 08/11/2006 10:48:52 PM PDT by Marius3188 (Happy Resurrection Weekend)
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To: RFC_Gal
"What about portable computers that have wifi connections? Should those be registered too?"

They are more expensive, therefore unlikely to be used in an explosive. They'd go back to Alarm clocks and home grown electronics before using laptops.

21 posted on 08/11/2006 10:48:54 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: VeniVidiVici
"Call your buddy's phone and BLAMMO!"

Hey that's an excellent idea!!!

Homeland Security should call all the numbers of cell phones that have been sold under suspicious circumstances, and see which Mosques blow up.

22 posted on 08/11/2006 10:50:34 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Ainast
Somehow I think it would be easier for the terrorists to just go to radioshack and buy the parts to build a timer or remote detonator.

But then they have to be close by or set the timer and cross their fingers. With a cell, they can be anywhere.

23 posted on 08/11/2006 10:50:38 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Rabid ethnicist.)
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To: ndt

These are cell phones that use prepaid phone cards. You can buy more minutes any time you want. They are only disposable in the sense that there is no contract or monthy bill.

Crooks and terrorists like them because they are untraceable, they can use them once and get rid of them.


24 posted on 08/11/2006 10:50:55 PM PDT by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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To: stlnative
they are used as detonators for remote-controlled bombs... set the timer (alarm or stop watch feature) on the cellphone or simply dial the cell phone connected to the bomb and boom the bomb goes off.

There is way too many of these reports happening. I'm wondering if the terrorists are planning a day when they set hundreds of bombs off at once in a dramatic effort to terrorize us.

Is this how Ahmadinejad wants to start the war with us?

There will have to be a time when Islam is so thoroughly destroyed it will never consider jihad again.

25 posted on 08/11/2006 10:51:02 PM PDT by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: Torie

2 cell phones are needed if they are setting it up so that the bomb goes off when the cell phone connected to the bomb is called from another throw away cell phone. If you called the bomb connected cell phone from a land line (pay phone - home phone, a registered cell phone) it would be traceable.

Pay as you go cell phones are very untraceable.


26 posted on 08/11/2006 10:51:22 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: Jameison

"give name, address "

Heck they don't even need that to vote.


27 posted on 08/11/2006 10:51:24 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: Torie
Color me ignorant. What do cell phones have in them as components, which when combined together, assist in creating an explosive?

I got my red sharpie out and I'm coloring like mad.

Not paying attention to Iraq - IED....???

They use cell phones to explode the IED's - ???

Can you say, "Oh yea, I forgot about that?"

28 posted on 08/11/2006 10:51:41 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: DannyTN
Homeland Security should call all the numbers of cell phones that have been sold under suspicious circumstances, and see which Mosques blow up.

LOL!!!

"No, no Mohammed! I said to call ACHMED not AHMED, you imbicile!!"

29 posted on 08/11/2006 10:52:34 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Rabid ethnicist.)
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To: Ainast

Way too much work. The cell phone is already assembled and functional.


30 posted on 08/11/2006 10:52:57 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: stlnative

So we need two cell phones per bomb. It is odd that the perps want to by a dozen at one store.


31 posted on 08/11/2006 10:54:04 PM PDT by Torie
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To: saveliberty
"Given the secrets that the NYT chose to expose..."

If a disposable phone has a life of say 20 hours (I'm making this number up as I don't know) wouldn't you expect a guy to buy a phone a week if he was a heavy talker? I'm not seeing anything here that says they were trying to buy 100 of the things. I'm just wondering what makes it suspicious circumstances.
32 posted on 08/11/2006 10:54:18 PM PDT by ndt
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To: DannyTN

Best damn Idea I've heard in, well, thats the best damn idea I've ever heard.


33 posted on 08/11/2006 10:55:10 PM PDT by Ainast
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To: MediaMole
"These are cell phones that use prepaid phone cards. You can buy more minutes any time you want. They are only disposable in the sense that there is no contract or monthy bill."

Thanks, thats what I was wondering. I'm a bit out of the loop on these things, I can't even stand the phone in my house.
34 posted on 08/11/2006 10:55:51 PM PDT by ndt
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To: A message
I dunno.

If they were planning something really amazing I would think the planning would be more thoughtful than, at the last second you send Ali out to but 1000 cell phones at one time like the situation at the Wal-Mart.

To plan it and then that happens. Seems really silly to get busted by buying large amounts of cell phones when you could simply buy a few at a time over a few weeks and then do it. But, I'm sure the Gov't will step in and say we can't have anonymous cell phones in the future. That would be dangerous. Thank God we have the 2nd Amendment.
35 posted on 08/11/2006 10:55:53 PM PDT by Marius3188 (Happy Resurrection Weekend)
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To: A message
I agree.

This thread was the beginning of a compilation of other incidents of prepaid purchases by "middle eastern" men:

Looking for Map of Cell Phone Purchases

Two cellphones are used for triggering bombs. I would imagine that the unique digital code in each phone provides a terrorist greater triggering security and distance. I know something major is coming down.
36 posted on 08/11/2006 10:56:36 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Marius3188
Thank God we have the 2nd Amendment.

YES !!!

37 posted on 08/11/2006 10:56:54 PM PDT by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: DannyTN

According to the liberals I've been reading on the internet (yes, sometimes I'm a glutton for punishment), these are just legitimate small businessmen trying to make a buck by bringing these back to the Middle East to sell at a higher price. We shouldn't be concerned about it.

Liberalism is a mental disease!


38 posted on 08/11/2006 10:57:09 PM PDT by Azzurri
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To: ndt
If a disposable phone has a life of say 20 hours

I think the term "disposable phone" means a "prepay phone," ie. no contract on the line. This means that the phone should last as long as any other phone on the market. Someone buying even two phones in more than a month is worth looking into.

39 posted on 08/11/2006 10:57:25 PM PDT by Dan Nunn
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To: DannyTN

Yet another group doing this?


40 posted on 08/11/2006 10:58:01 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: PA Engineer

Thanks for the link, missed that thread.


41 posted on 08/11/2006 10:59:22 PM PDT by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: DannyTN
"Hey that's an excellent idea!!!"

That is how the Israeli's got rid of the "Engineer" who was a very talented bomb maker. They had a friend give him a cell phone with a shaped charge in the ear piece.

"Can you hear me now?" Boom
42 posted on 08/11/2006 10:59:29 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: Ainast
I wonder if it would be possible for the police to remotely disable all the tracfones.

Or as an alternative, systematically dial every single one of them on a random basis. Let 'em blow up in the terrorist's basement.

43 posted on 08/11/2006 10:59:43 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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To: Torie

Two per explosion I believe. One to have the explosive attached to it and another to detonate it.


44 posted on 08/11/2006 10:59:48 PM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: ndt

I have no way of knowing how long they talk, but it would be counterintuitive if they talked for long. And the whole point is to use a device for an extremely short period of time so as to make it more difficult to track down.


45 posted on 08/11/2006 11:00:03 PM PDT by saveliberty (I'm a Bushbot and a Snowflake :-)
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To: Torie
well you can program the one throw away cell phone to hold the numbers of all the other bomb connected throw away cellphones. Say they have 10 bombs, then 11 throw away cell phones would be needed plus the numbers of the 10 bomb connected cell phones. 1 cell phone to call in to the 10 bomb connected cell phones.

The ratio could be 1 dialing cell phone for 100 bomb connected cell phones. Just program in all 100 numbers into the dialing cell phone and start calling the bomb cell phones.
46 posted on 08/11/2006 11:01:01 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: Ainast

A hand full of autodialers ought to do the trick.


47 posted on 08/11/2006 11:01:13 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Jameison
Time to change the laws on disposable cell phones so everyone will have to give name, address bank account or credit card number, etc before one gets a service.

Sorry, but this idea is wrong. We need to stop proposing solutions that involve reducing our own freedoms. Instead, we need to take the attitude that our smallest liberty or smallest convenience is worth more than the lives of every member of Al Qaeda, every member of every other jihadist organization, every supporter of these organizations, and every sympathizer with these organizations. Instead of inconveniencing ourselves, we need to kill them and keep killing them until none are left or until the remaining few surrender. That's a hard position to take, but we have freedom today because the Americans who came before us took that attitude. If we want to pass freedom to future generations, we have to take the attitude that the smallest freedom is worth more than the lives of all of those who would do things that would threaten any freedom.

Bill

48 posted on 08/11/2006 11:01:30 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: ndt

One is the trigger, the other is the detonator. Phone one is with explosive. Phone two calls phone one. BANG.


49 posted on 08/11/2006 11:01:39 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: saveliberty

multi-purpose weapon... There is evil lurking amongst us...


50 posted on 08/11/2006 11:02:04 PM PDT by callthemlikeyouseethem (i was not aborted this way...)
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