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New details emerge in airline terror plot
ABC News ^ | Aug. 11, 2006 | ABC News

Posted on 08/12/2006 12:23:44 AM PDT by FairOpinion

Investigators around the world are in the process of tracking suspects and working to fill in details about the plot to blow up 10 U.S.-bound flights.

We have learned that one of the suspects arrested by British authorities in the airline terror plot has just been released. Scotland Yard has not given any further details on which suspect or why they were let go.

The material is called acetone peroxide - a deadly explosive. It is believed each terrorist would bring ingredients on board, and assemble them while on the plane.

Then someone would use a spark from a disposable camera's flash as the detonator. Law enforcement officials say they are fighting a losing battle as long as the hunt is for a bomb not the bomber.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: acetone; acetoneperoxide; alqaeda; gwot; londonairlineplot; motherofsatan; peroxide; tatp; terrorism; waronterror; wot
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"Law enforcement officials say they are fighting a losing battle as long as the hunt is for a bomb not the bomber. "

I couldn't agree with them more!

1 posted on 08/12/2006 12:23:45 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion



Acetone peroxide is so lethal it is appropriately called MOTHER of SATAN.


2 posted on 08/12/2006 12:29:28 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- "if" only 10% are radical, that's 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: onyx

An article says that they used that in the London Bombings on 7-11 last year. It's strange they say the police "theorized" -- don't they know for sure?

"After the July 7 suicide bombings in London last year, British police theorized that acetone peroxide triacetone triperoxide (TATP) was the "home-made" explosive used by the plotters."

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=%5CForeignBureaus%5Carchive%5C200608%5CINT20060811c.html


3 posted on 08/12/2006 12:33:53 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion; USF; jan in Colorado

Terror's white convert: Abdul Waheed, 21, changed his name from Don Stewart-Whyte six months ago

British police find martyrdom video:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20099057-2703,00.html

4 posted on 08/12/2006 12:34:18 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (ENEMY + MEDIA = ENEMEDIA)
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To: onyx
ACETONE PEROXIDE EXPLOSIVE

Acetone peroxide is a primary explosive that can be made from hair bleach (hydrogen peroxide), acetone, and sulfuric acid. This explosive is to be used in the fabrication of detonators.

Good Lord in Heaven, a quick google search gives plenty of sites on how to manufacture an explosive from this stuff and how to make the acetone peroxide in the first place.

AAAGH
5 posted on 08/12/2006 12:37:04 AM PDT by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: FairOpinion


Maybe they do not wish to lock themselves into only one explosive. This one is said to be easily concocted and like recipes for meth, explosives can likely be made from household and commercial use products.


6 posted on 08/12/2006 12:38:00 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- "if" only 10% are radical, that's 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: Fred Nerks

If you were a screener, and if you have a choice of searching this guy, an 80-year old GrandMother or a middle aged business traveler, which one should you search?

US Answer: the GrandMother, of course, because instead of looking for suspicious passengers they use random selection, and she was the one who came up for random search.


7 posted on 08/12/2006 12:38:33 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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Shall we go ahead and damn algore here and now for inventing the internet?


8 posted on 08/12/2006 12:39:18 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- "if" only 10% are radical, that's 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: Fred Nerks


He looks more like an Abdul than a Don Stewart.


9 posted on 08/12/2006 12:40:26 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- "if" only 10% are radical, that's 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: FairOpinion

Acetone peroxide was used in the London 7/7 bombings last year.


10 posted on 08/12/2006 12:42:27 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: A message

And if you tried to block those sites that say how to make a cheap bomb, the ACLU would be all over it.


11 posted on 08/12/2006 12:44:52 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Really? Do tell. LOL

You don't read the comments before you post, do you? :)

12 posted on 08/12/2006 12:45:17 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- "if" only 10% are radical, that's 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: onyx
Shall we go ahead and damn algore here and now for inventing the internet?


Algore, you're an asshat!

13 posted on 08/12/2006 12:46:04 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: onyx

Well, I googled Acetone Peroxide, got sent to Wikipedia, and read up on it. I thought they were using fingernail polish.


14 posted on 08/12/2006 12:47:01 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: onyx
You don't read the comments before you post, do you? :)

Sometimes! :) 


15 posted on 08/12/2006 12:48:17 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: FairOpinion
US Answer: the GrandMother, of course, because instead of looking for suspicious passengers they use random selection, and she was the one who came up for random search.

They searched my 80 year old mother last year who was returning home from a cancer center, weak from chemo, in a wheelchair. The screener did apologize, mumbled something about random number. I was furious.

16 posted on 08/12/2006 12:48:28 AM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: BigSkyFreeper


Noted.


17 posted on 08/12/2006 12:49:25 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- "if" only 10% are radical, that's 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: FairOpinion

bttt


18 posted on 08/12/2006 12:49:37 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: daybreakcoming


Random won't catch anything --- we must use profiling.


19 posted on 08/12/2006 12:50:40 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- "if" only 10% are radical, that's 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: FairOpinion; onyx

It can not work, they can not make TATP on board.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1681545/posts?page=105#105

But they had intent, so put them in the slammer for many many years.


20 posted on 08/12/2006 12:51:14 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: daybreakcoming

Random checks lets too many bad guys through.


21 posted on 08/12/2006 12:52:45 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: onyx

I was Googling Acetone Peroxide and had a "post comment" window open at the same time, so I didn't see FairOpinion's post up above which was posted while I was Googling.


22 posted on 08/12/2006 12:54:20 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: AdmSmith


Thanks, but I am not at all convinced.


23 posted on 08/12/2006 12:58:02 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- "if" only 10% are radical, that's 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: BJungNan
And if you tried to block those sites that say how to make a cheap bomb, the ACLU would be all over it.

Yea, I'm so glad the ACLU is concerned about my freedom to be blown up.

24 posted on 08/12/2006 1:00:37 AM PDT by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Thermite is easy to make. Just ignite it in the right place, if you know airliners and poof.


25 posted on 08/12/2006 1:04:06 AM PDT by oyez (The way to punish a providence is to allow it to be governed by philosophers. --Frederick the Great)
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To: Fred Nerks

"Terror's white convert: Abdul Waheed, 21, changed his name from Don Stewart-Whyte six months ago"


Goes to prove that racial profiling is not going to work.
They will find a way around it and recruit non-arabs into the death cult. California has produced two so far afterall.


26 posted on 08/12/2006 1:18:08 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: onyx

or just buy the DOD manual that tells you how to do all kinds of things.

The information exists, and was widely available before I had ever heard of FTP, much less the internet.


27 posted on 08/12/2006 1:20:37 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: onyx
Shall we go ahead and damn algore here and now for inventing the internet?

Gore: Can you imagine what ten exploding airplanes would do to the climate? Kudos to the Brits for preventing this disaster.
28 posted on 08/12/2006 1:22:15 AM PDT by Jaysun (I have the body of an eighteen year old. I keep it in the fridge.)
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To: onyx; BigSkyFreeper

Absolutely agree with you both. If the "profilees" don't like it....profile 'em even harder. If you or I were living in another country and so-called Christians were wreaking terror on that country....we would expect to be profiled at airports, etc.


29 posted on 08/12/2006 1:27:58 AM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: AdmSmith

What was the explosive that was successfully used in the in flight run-up test on an aircraft in the Bojinka case back in what, 1994 or 5? The perp went into the john to assemble his device.


30 posted on 08/12/2006 1:31:55 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: FairOpinion

Unless you find a bomb, how do you know if a person is a bomber?


31 posted on 08/12/2006 1:33:37 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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We need to boycot google.


32 posted on 08/12/2006 1:34:23 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: onyx

When it comes to random acts, how do you know if the person profiled, is guilty?


33 posted on 08/12/2006 1:36:09 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr

I'd be surprised if any major search engine does NOT show these sites. They do not screen for content, other than sexual content.


34 posted on 08/12/2006 1:36:58 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: The Red Zone

Like someone said earlier, the information has been available way before the internet if someone wanted to look for it.


35 posted on 08/12/2006 1:38:38 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: piasa

It was the Philippine Airlines Flight 434 on a Manila to Narita route. Yousef carried the components of his bomb on him, including nitroglycerin hidden in a bottle of contact lens solution and bomb stabilizers disguised as cotton balls. In the hollowed-out heels of his shoes, Yousef hid batteries.

http://www.womenswallstreet.com/columns/column.aspx?aid=946&p=2


36 posted on 08/12/2006 1:43:37 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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Acetone peroxide is a primary explosive that can be made from hair bleach (hydrogen peroxide), acetone, and sulfuric acid. This explosive is to be used in the fabrication of detonators.

Oh, great, now I will have to ask for my nail polish remover and clairol haircolor from the pharmacist behind the counter like I do now for sudafed.

37 posted on 08/12/2006 3:40:22 AM PDT by sportutegrl (A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
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To: FairOpinion

I don't get the,'mix the ingredients' thing.

It takes time to evaporate the water the a/p
forms in.


38 posted on 08/12/2006 3:40:41 AM PDT by greasepaint
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Good Lord in Heaven, a quick google search gives plenty of sites on how to manufacture an explosive from this stuff and how to make the acetone peroxide in the first place.

A lot of these sites are derivatives of the old "Anarchists' Cookbook" and other such nonsense. A good proportion of the material is simply wrong. Some of the rest is so dangerous and stupid that one does not have to worry, because anyone attempting the recipes will not survive to hurt anyone else.

The Kewl BoMZ kids will eventually solve the problem when the ISP's who host the sites are sued into oblivion by bereaved parents.

Read the newsgroup alt.engineering.explosives sometime for a horrifying example of irresponsible misinformation and technical incompetence by people who never passed High School Chemistry.

39 posted on 08/12/2006 4:33:56 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: onyx
My Russian wife immigrated to America in 2001. She looks exactly like one would expect from a child psychologist, and nothing like a Muslim. Many times I felt like crying after seeing her go through 4 or more searches at the airport prior to boarding a plane, while Muslim men are waved through the system. In early 2005 she was naturalized as an American citizen, and now travels on an American passport. Since that time they never hassle her at the check in or boarding.
40 posted on 08/12/2006 4:37:29 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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Good Lord in Heaven, a quick google search gives plenty of sites on how to manufacture an explosive from this stuaff and how to make the acetone peroxide in the first place.

Any halfway committed extremist can get his hands on AQ training manuals that walk you through exactly how to do it. The reality is the internet has made it possible for anyone to be a terrorist. All you need are a few guys who believe in the cause, a little money to invest, and a little prep time. With the refining of the terrorist model over the last few years, it's possible to go from zero to jihad in six months.

Google hints at what's out there, but there's far, far worse.

41 posted on 08/12/2006 4:44:14 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (- Islam will never survive being laughed at. -)
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We need to boycot google.

There's no point. That information is all over the internet. Even hardcore jihadist websites are only a few clicks away. Many mosques will have one or two guys that 'know people', and can point you in the direction of some very explicit and informative websites.

42 posted on 08/12/2006 4:48:07 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (- Islam will never survive being laughed at. -)
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To: FairOpinion
US Answer: the GrandMother, of course...

Slight correction; 80 year old Lutheran grandmother greeting the screener with a 'Uf Da', and wearing a "Lutefist - The piece of Cod that passes all understanding" T-shirt.

After all, we know it's those darn Christians who are behind this, thanks to Karl Rove.

43 posted on 08/12/2006 4:54:46 AM PDT by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" Anonymous)
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To: onyx

"Acetone peroxide is so lethal it is appropriately called MOTHER of SATAN."

Since these Islamic Facists are pushing the Religon of Satan, I can see the connection.


44 posted on 08/12/2006 5:05:37 AM PDT by Go Army.com (A slight modification of the story, bringing out the facts)
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Why!!!! That's .... profiling!!!!

We can't have that!!! The PC crowd would go into meltdown.

We have to keep searching Scandinavian Methodists and shady-looking Southern Baptists and those shifty-looking Mormons.

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Even if the Islamic terrorists fail in their mission to blow something up, look at what they succeed in accomplishing: TSA is in panic mode, every passenger of every airline has additional security to undergo, security measures are beefed up. The result: inconvenience and cost in $$$$$$$$$$. Who won this round and who lost?

Law enforcement officials say they are fighting a losing battle as long as the hunt is for a bomb not the bomber.

We are still not addressing the real problem. Unless and until we do, the Islamic terrorists continue to mount up little wins here and there. Look at the Israeli white flag being waved in the UN this morning. Who won there? It sure wasn't Israel.
45 posted on 08/12/2006 5:18:08 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: onyx
"There are 2 things I hate-
racial profiling and middle eastern looking guys on my plane."


-somebody's 2001 tagline
46 posted on 08/12/2006 5:21:50 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: FairOpinion
US Answer: the GrandMother, of course, because instead of looking for suspicious passengers they use random selection, and she was the one who came up for random search.

And this is the truth, which disgusts me. I hate liberals and PC.

My 70YO Mother was pulled aside and systematically searched on a recent trip. Partially disabled and in pain, she was escorted aside and scanned by airport security, despite explicit papers denoting her condition.

I question of the competence of the authorities who make policy that brutally harasses our most gentle and loving of our nation while catering to murderous Islamofascists. They are as much an enemy as the fascists themselves.

47 posted on 08/12/2006 5:24:34 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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"Law enforcement officials say they are fighting a losing battle as long as the hunt is for a bomb not the bomber."


48 posted on 08/12/2006 5:26:40 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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Good Lord in Heaven, a quick google search gives plenty of sites on how to manufacture an explosive from this stuff and how to make the acetone peroxide in the first place.

Don't be surprised if the Feds don't come knocking at your door... ;-)

49 posted on 08/12/2006 5:27:58 AM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are intimate bedfellows)
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To: daybreakcoming

Last week while returning home from a business trip, I personally saw TSA hassle at least ten different, obviously very elderly people, several in wheel chairs or with walkers, just for the sake of random selection or whatever. It was humiliating for those folks, and a couple of them literally stumbled or fell through the security check point, while everyone else in the security line glared at the YSA guys for being so stupid. It really was pathetic and I'm still mad about it...!


50 posted on 08/12/2006 5:33:21 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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