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Iranian Alert - August 8, 2006 - Bernard Lewis: M.A.D. won't stop the Iranian from using the bomb
Regime Change Iran ^ | 8.8.2006 | DoctorZin

Posted on 08/12/2006 7:27:44 AM PDT by DoctorZIn

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M.A.D. won’t stop the Iranian from using the bomb.

  • Bernard Lewis, The Wall Street Journal argued that Iran's apocalyptic leaders do not fear killing Palestinians in a nuclear attack on Israel nor do they fear an Israeli nuclear counter attack on Iran because in both cases the Muslim dead will be accepted by Allah into heaven. A must read.

 

Iranian dissident Batebi on hunger strike in Evin Prison.

  • Iran Press News reported that Iranian student leader, Ahmad Batebi is now being detained and if new charges are not leveled against him, he will only have to complete the nine years remaining on his original prison sentence in Evin prison.

 

More Iranian threats.

  • The Guardian reported that Manouchehr Mottaki, Iran's foreign minister, said Tony Blair and George Bush are "co-defendants" in war crimes committed by Israel in Lebanon and should be made to answer for their actions before an international court.
  • Richard Beeston, The Times Online reported that Iran threatened to block oil exports to the West if sanctions are imposed.

 

The Lebanon of the future?

  • Amir Taheri, The Times Online considered what Lebanon and the Middle East will look like if Hezbollah (and Iran) wins its war with Israel.
  • Amir Taheri, The New York Post explained ways to achieve a real Lebanese peace.

 

Here are a few other news items you may have missed.

  • Daniel Schwammenthal, The Wall Street Journal examined the most recent evidence of European blindness to Hezbollah's terrorism.
  • Iran Press News reported that a brother of the State Inspector general of the Islamic Republic of Iran was arrested for being a heroin smuggler.
  • Iran Press News reported that Alijanzadeh, the governor of Ghaem-shahr said 20,000 workers lose their jobs in the Iranian province of Mazandaran.
  • Iran Press News reported that two young men, Ali Ramezani and Ebrahim Karimi were arrested and charged with “being in contact with Kurdish political parties”.
  • BBC News reported that the Israeli army has released a video showing a Hezbollah fighter admitting to taking part in a raid on Israel and undergoing training in Iran.


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1 posted on 08/12/2006 7:27:49 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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2 posted on 08/12/2006 7:29:08 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn
in both cases the Muslim dead will be accepted by Allah into heaven.

Suppose we could help them along?

3 posted on 08/12/2006 7:37:27 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Maybe since they like death so much they could serve one another by standing in a circle and just firing!!!

Death always seems to be so great for "somebody else"!!

What hooey!!


4 posted on 08/12/2006 7:48:31 AM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Suppose we could help them along?

If the nutbag lets a nuke loose on August 22nd, he'll find out real quick whether he was right about Allah and mooslims.

5 posted on 08/12/2006 7:52:26 AM PDT by b4its2late (There are good terrorists - dead ones.)
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To: b4its2late

They are wrong about the heaven thing. The road to hell is wide and paved.


6 posted on 08/12/2006 7:54:34 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale
You are correct.
7 posted on 08/12/2006 7:55:42 AM PDT by b4its2late (There are good terrorists - dead ones.)
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To: DoctorZIn

M.A.D.only works when people want to live!


8 posted on 08/12/2006 7:57:53 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: DoctorZIn

Mad Mahmoud continues his sabre rattling. God bless the bullet that removes his filth from the planet.


9 posted on 08/12/2006 8:21:06 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

From the Bernard Lewis article in WSJ: "What is the significance of Aug. 22? This year, Aug. 22 corresponds, in the Islamic calendar, to the 27th day of the month of Rajab of the year 1427. This, by tradition, is the night when many Muslims commemorate the night flight of the prophet Muhammad on the winged horse Buraq, first to "the farthest mosque," usually identified with Jerusalem, and then to heaven and back (c.f., Koran XVII.1). This might well be deemed an appropriate date for the apocalyptic ending of Israel and if necessary of the world. It is far from certain that Mr. Ahmadinejad plans any such cataclysmic events precisely for Aug. 22. But it would be wise to bear the possibility in mind.

A passage from the Ayatollah Khomeini, quoted in an 11th-grade Iranian schoolbook, is revealing. 'I am decisively announcing to the whole world that if the world-devourers [i.e., the infidel powers] wish to stand against our religion, we will stand against their whole world and will not cease until the annihilation of all them. Either we all become free, or we will go to the greater freedom which is martyrdom. Either we shake one another's hands in joy at the victory of Islam in the world, or all of us will turn to eternal life and martyrdom. In both cases, victory and success are ours.'"


10 posted on 08/12/2006 8:51:45 AM PDT by combat_boots (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.)
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To: combat_boots

Well, they have only one path or the two options that the ayatollah announced. they will be "martyrs". Only problem is, the 72 virgins will instead be demons.


11 posted on 08/12/2006 8:53:59 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Izzy Dunne

It would seem to be our duty to do so..


12 posted on 08/12/2006 8:58:17 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: DoctorZIn
I admire Lewis and respect his knowledge of Islam, but I think he is wrong in this case. The mullahs are corrupt and materialists. They have no desire to commit national suicide. I see their desire for nuclear weapons as an insurance policy against any future US involvement in Iran and a way to exert more influence in the region.

They also view their possession of nuclear weapons as a counterweight to Israel's nuclear arsenal and a possible restraint on Israel's use of its nuclear weapons against aggression by its neighbors who far outnumber them. That might be a major miscalculation by Iran vis a vis Israel, which may feel compelled to take out Iran's capability to produce nuclear weapons just for that reason, i.e., nullification of Israel's nuclear deterrent.

13 posted on 08/12/2006 9:06:09 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

What gives you the belief that the mullahs of Iran are rational? There is no evidence for this in their past history.


14 posted on 08/12/2006 9:23:17 AM PDT by RichardW
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To: RichardW

gotta think Lewis' msg. ain't new mat'l for the NSC; if it is, I'm outraged.


15 posted on 08/12/2006 10:40:45 AM PDT by 1234 (WHO is Responsible for ENFORCING IMMIGRATION LAWS?)
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To: Grampa Dave; ASA Vet

Read Bernard Lewis in the WSJ Opinion. Everything happening now may be a diversion from the big picture.


16 posted on 08/12/2006 10:57:35 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: BIGLOOK

Scary people.

The mass murdering thugs in charge of Iran might be the end of that nation if they do try to use a nuclear weapon.


17 posted on 08/12/2006 11:44:56 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Grampa Dave
The mass murdering thugs in charge of Iran might be the end of that nation if they do try to use a nuclear weapon.

True.......but they've had nearly 30 years to dig bunkers to hide in. Locate and target those bunkers at the outset......fire in the hole.
18 posted on 08/12/2006 1:09:46 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: RichardW
What gives you the belief that the mullahs of Iran are rational? There is no evidence for this in their past history.

I lived two years in Iran including during the time of the fall of the Shah and the assumption of power by Khomeini. The mullahs are interested in power. They hijacked the Iranian revolution.

Historically, Iran [Persia] has incldued the clerics in the ruling class. The Shah's father, Reza Shah, the founder of the Pahlavi dynasty, stripped the mullahs of almost all of their social institutions of power in the 1920's. This included the confiscation of the mullah's large land holdings.

After WWII and the installation of Mohammed Reza Shah, the son, the decision was made to return the ecclesiastical lands back to the mullahs and a release of many political prisoners. This was followed by the rise of the Tudeh Party [Communists] and the National Front led by Mossadegh.

Without going into the rise of Mossadeq, the subsequent coup and the reinstallation of the Shah in 1953 led to some cooperation with the clerics. However, the White Revolution changed all of that. The Shah instituted a land redistribution law, as well as laws granting sufferage to women and the establishment of health and education corps for the rural areas. The mullahs and their allies had their lands taken away and the rural reforms in health and education took away much of their power and influence.

The mullahs didn't take this changes sitting down and they resisted, including Khomeini who was jailed and eventually exiled. The rest is history. The bottom line is that the mullahs have been part of the power structure of Iran for over one thousand years. They are eminently rationale and desirous of maintaining their power and perks.

19 posted on 08/12/2006 2:16:21 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

How will they maintain power when 200 Israel nukes come raining down on their collective heads? That's what this is coming to.

I don't see much rational judgment from this kind of behavior.


20 posted on 08/12/2006 4:01:41 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: Izzy Dunne
Suppose we could help them along?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Assassinate ALL Hezbollah leaders, Hamas leaders, and Iranian leaders and Twelvers. Then let God sort them out.

Their jihadist Islamofascist war of assassination and kidnapping should be returned in kind, not with massive armies on the move to inderdict these POS who hide behind the innocent.

We seem to have lost the stomach for snoop and scoop, hop and pop, the long shot. We need to fight them in this way , cloak and dagger, a shot in the dark, a knife in the back, a poison pill in the cup of wine.

None of the Western governments fight in this way anymore BUT the irrelevance of MAD makes THAT necessary, and we need to get on with a spooky war , where their terror is always just around the corner: killed with a bullet or a knife dipped in pigs blood.

Many just need to disappear. " Where is Ahmed, we have not seen hima at the mosque in a week! And he never shows up again, and his body is never found. Thats the kind of war that now must be fought.

21 posted on 08/12/2006 7:03:11 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: RichardW
How will they maintain power when 200 Israel nukes come raining down on their collective heads? That's what this is coming to.

I seriously doubt it will come to that. Israel will not initiate a nuclear attack. The Iranians will continue to play with us and the UN while oil revenues continue to increase. China is signing long term oil contracts with Iran and Russia is building their reactors. When the Shah was in power, we were in the process of selling Iran nuclear reactors.

I don't see much rational judgment from this kind of behavior.

I do. They are using the NK model. They see how we are reluctant to challenge NK. You can call the Iranians many things, but they are not dumb. At one time, they had more students in US universities than any other country, i.e., over 50,000.

22 posted on 08/12/2006 7:25:17 PM PDT by kabar
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To: DoctorZIn
M.A.D. won’t stop the Iranian from using the bomb.

Bernard Lewis, The Wall Street Journal argued that Iran's apocalyptic leaders do not fear killing Palestinians in a nuclear attack on Israel nor do they fear an Israeli nuclear counter attack on Iran because in both cases the Muslim dead will be accepted by Allah into heaven. A must read.

For more details on Islamic End-Times beliefs, see my FR homepage.

23 posted on 08/12/2006 8:21:35 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: kabar

How will they maintain power when 200 Israel nukes come raining down on their collective heads? That's what this is coming to.

I seriously doubt it will come to that. Israel will not initiate a nuclear attack. The Iranians will continue to play with us and the UN while oil revenues continue to increase. China is signing long term oil contracts with Iran and Russia is building their reactors. When the Shah was in power, we were in the process of selling Iran nuclear reactors.

I don't see much rational judgment from this kind of behavior.

I do. They are using the NK model. They see how we are reluctant to challenge NK. You can call the Iranians many things, but they are not dumb. At one time, they had more students in US universities than any other country, i.e., over 50,000.

You SERIOUSLY doubt it would come to that? Life has taught me that if it can go wrong it will go wrong. It is just a matter of time before these one of these two foes in the middle of a death grip will utilize the ultimate arrow in their quiver.

I don't think they are dumb. I do, however, believe their leaders are maniacal fanatics.


24 posted on 08/12/2006 9:11:34 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: DoctorZIn

Our war has been sabotaged by the left. We need to launch the battle of Iran. Looks unlikely. God help us all.


25 posted on 08/12/2006 9:18:19 PM PDT by Starrgaizr
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To: RichardW
You SERIOUSLY doubt it would come to that? Life has taught me that if it can go wrong it will go wrong. It is just a matter of time before these one of these two foes in the middle of a death grip will utilize the ultimate arrow in their quiver. I don't think they are dumb. I do, however, believe their leaders are maniacal fanatics.

We will agree to disagree. I am basing my analysis on my firsthand experience in the region and history.

26 posted on 08/13/2006 7:54:16 AM PDT by kabar
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