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James Dobson Lends Support to Mel Gibson
AP via AOL ^ | Aug. 11 06 | AP

Posted on 08/12/2006 9:02:24 AM PDT by churchillbuff

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (Aug. 11) - Focus on the Family ministry founder James Dobson spoke in support Thursday of Mel Gibson and his film, "The Passion of the Christ," saying Gibson's drunken tirade during a traffic stop had nothing to do with "one of the finest films of this era."

Gibson, 50, was arrested for drunken driving Aug. 1 in Malibu, Calif., and launched an anti-Semitic rant toward the arresting deputy. Gibson reportedly said, "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," and asked him, "Are you a Jew?"

Dobson said in a statement that "we certainly do not condone that racially insensitive outburst," but added "Mel has apologized profusely for the incident and there the matter should rest."

"Mel has also indicated his willingness to seek help to overcome his alcoholism, and has asked the Jewish community for forgiveness," Dobson said. "What more can he do?"

Gibson has had a troubled relationship with Jewish organizations since his violent 2004 blockbuster about the crucifixion, which some criticized for portraying Jews as responsible for Jesus' death. Supporters, including Dobson, say the movie followed the Gospel story.

"Our endorsement of it stands as originally stated. We did not believe it was anti-Semitic in 2004, and our views have not changed," Dobson said


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: barf; fotf; lackslogic; melgibson; thepassion

1 posted on 08/12/2006 9:02:25 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Everything Dobson said makes sense and it correct.

It won't stop those with an agenda and an ax to grind, but there it is.

2 posted on 08/12/2006 9:05:53 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: churchillbuff
Curious. The Logic Fallacy known as Guilt by Association now. My the Leftists seem to have no limit to the depths of mental imbecility they will stoop to to attack their ideological foes
3 posted on 08/12/2006 9:07:31 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (A proportionate response would be the indiscriminate slaughter of Western journalists)
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To: churchillbuff
We did not believe it was anti-Semitic in 2004, and our views have not changed.

A lot of the villains were Jews.
A lot of the villains were Romans.
One of the villains was Supernatural.
One of the villains was portrayed by Mel Gibson.

The heroes were all Jews.

Such blatant antisemitism should not be allowed.

/s

4 posted on 08/12/2006 9:09:50 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Eighty-six days (counting up))
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To: churchillbuff

I respect James Dobson, but Mel Gibson has got serious problems not only with alcohol but with anti-Semitism. Dobson denying Mel's anti-Semitism doesn't make the situation go away. Certain folks will forgive and forget Gibson's outbursts. Some Jews may choose to forgive but not forget.


5 posted on 08/12/2006 9:10:42 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man
Some Jews may choose to forgive but not forget.

Isn't that the truth.

6 posted on 08/12/2006 9:18:05 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: churchillbuff
Mel clearly has a serious problem with Jews. Like father like son. Had he been Noam Chomsky's son, he would likely have different idiotic beliefs rather than the ones his nutbag Dad "taught" him.

Denying the problem wont make it do away. Mel needs to get sober, and only then can he face the silly anti-semetic beliefs he inherited.

7 posted on 08/12/2006 9:18:13 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Reagan Man

If you can't forget, then you really haven't forgiven.


8 posted on 08/12/2006 9:19:45 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: ExGeeEye
Mels dad is a known antisemitic . So his sons actions are no surprise .

Maybe Mel and James can join in the coming muslim parade protesting Israels defending themselves . I heard on radio last night about this parade coming up .

Ironic how muslims are so quite when terror strikes, yet plan protest against our ally Israel who is at war with one of their forms of 'politics ' .
9 posted on 08/12/2006 9:22:18 AM PDT by Grandma2
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To: churchillbuff

With some altsheimers in my family, many of us have discussed what it would mean to lose control like that and say and do things that would be absolutely the opposite of what we stood for when in our right mind.

I think everyone has thoughts that they suppress but fear would come up if they lost control. That is one of the terrible things about altsheimers

....and being slosh, smelly drunk.


10 posted on 08/12/2006 9:24:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: mariabush

Wasn't it Corrie ten Boom who once remarked, about a particularly vile thing that had been done to her in the past, "I distinctly remember forgetting it."


11 posted on 08/12/2006 9:24:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Grandma2

Oh stuff it Granny. Neither one is calling for that now.


12 posted on 08/12/2006 9:26:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: montag813; Grandma2; mariabush

I wonder if any of us have ever heard racial opinions from our parents or grandparents that would absolutely embarrass us.


13 posted on 08/12/2006 9:26:57 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Reagan Man

I think Mel has an identity crisis. On the one hand he's a family man with strict fundamentalist Catholic upbringing and tries to live by the Teachings, and on the other hand he's an artsy type of guy full of creative ideas and motives that may/m/not conflict with his "real" life.


14 posted on 08/12/2006 9:27:12 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Mashood
Emotionally or mentally ill people shouldn't' make movies with such a profound impact on others who are ignorant enough to believe them . Passion was full of half truths and outright falsehoods . God and Jesus are Holy and Sacred . It is dangerous to add to or take away from the Bible . I would never watch such a film . I consider it blashemous .
15 posted on 08/12/2006 9:36:24 AM PDT by Grandma2
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To: churchillbuff

bump with no comment.


16 posted on 08/12/2006 9:38:29 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Leaning on the everlasting arms.)
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To: mariabush
>>>>If you can't forget, then you really haven't forgiven.

In a perfect world that would be nice. We don't live in a perfect world. To forgive bad behavior is a great human quality. To forget that bad behavior, is pure stupidity.

As a people, the Jews have been forgiving their enemies for thousands of years. They've been smart not to forget the transgressions made against them.

17 posted on 08/12/2006 9:40:09 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: churchillbuff
Before the PC era, the was the saying, "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words will never hurt me."

Today, it seems greater emphasis is placed on what people say than what they do.
18 posted on 08/12/2006 9:42:39 AM PDT by BW2221
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To: montag813
Had he been Noam Chomsky's son, he would likely have different idiotic beliefs rather than the ones his nutbag Dad "taught" him.

Chomsky is not a good example. His friendship with French Holocaust deniers is well documented.

19 posted on 08/12/2006 9:43:46 AM PDT by Rocko (Lamont is gonna be pounded like a cheap cutlet.)
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To: Grandma2

I have not seen the "the Passion". I don't need the cinema to explain to me the torture.


20 posted on 08/12/2006 9:44:42 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Mashood
>>>>I think Mel has an identity crisis.

All actors enjoy being the center of attention and most of the time no harm done. I think Mel Gibson lives on the edge. This time Mel stepped way over that edge and his actions won't ever go away. For the rest of Gibson`s life, he will be known first and foremost as, an anti-Semite.

21 posted on 08/12/2006 9:46:27 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Grandma2

He followed "supplemental material" that was well accepted in the Roman Catholic church. Evangelicals view most of this stuff as speculative at best.


22 posted on 08/12/2006 9:49:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: churchillbuff
Image hosted by Photobucket.com way i see it, Christ killed himself and his executioners merely the instrument...

his mission in life was to die for our sins.

he delivered himself unto them Judas not withstanding, because he KNEW he was going to his death when he gave himself up.

Gods' Love...

23 posted on 08/12/2006 9:49:33 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Reagan Man

Probably so. He needs not only help for his drinking, but also for who he is. He hasn't figured that out yet(you'd think by 50 he'd get it). I wish him well and prayers.


24 posted on 08/12/2006 9:52:06 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Mashood

Mel is just one of the many troubled people in the world today. I wish him all the best too.


25 posted on 08/12/2006 9:54:58 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: xzins
I am from a long line of freedom fighters .So count me out . But we fought for freedom and equality for all, not special privileges . I think all people have the right to liberty ,but I also equally believe in right of association that our Constitution granted us . This new freedom isn't freedom at all but tyranny and abuse of our moral values and culture .
This nation was based on Judea Christian laws taken from Bible . The Ten Commandments were on all our walls, not voo doo or any other religion's .
26 posted on 08/12/2006 9:57:10 AM PDT by Grandma2
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To: Reagan Man
I agree, but most other troubled people don't have his influence Mel has . Also most people don't have the time to study and know the difference between fiction and fact .So they believe a lie and ,imo, are damned because of a cult member with mental problems .

I had to point out to my grandkids all the falsehoods in this movie . Some people actually think this movie is gospel !
27 posted on 08/12/2006 10:03:43 AM PDT by Grandma2
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To: churchillbuff
"one of the finest films of this era."

I will have to take your word Jimmy Boy on that. This Christian has never seen the Passion of Christ. I like to get my religion straight and as unfiltered as a English speaking man can get it and that is from the King James Version. As far as all these people defending Mel Gibson, I just don't get it. Gibson seems a pretty typical Hollywood type. I would tend to believe what some people say drunk may be more reflective of the inner self than what they say sober. I cannot defend what he said, but on the other hand I will not condemn him. So what if Mel Gibson is an anti-semite in a Hollywood that is predominantly anti-Christian.Not since Roy, Hoppy, and Gene have I looked to Hollywood for any type of moral instruction. Politically, morally, and spiritually Hollywood and most of its inhabitants are living in lala land and public hand wringing over Gibson by a man who has the public stature of James Dobson is quite curious to say the least.

28 posted on 08/12/2006 10:20:56 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: churchillbuff

He was great as Scotty on 'Star Trek!'


29 posted on 08/12/2006 10:21:43 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: xzins

My Mother was from Texas. She hated Mexicans.


30 posted on 08/12/2006 10:24:31 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: churchillbuff

I support Mel Gibson too....sh!t happens...and it happened to Mel...live and learn...Mel


31 posted on 08/12/2006 10:26:16 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Reagan Man
As a Christian I have to look at forgiveness from God's point of view. Once you have Him to forgive you that sin is no longer remember by Him.

Keep in mind that I am talking about someone that is truly sorry.
32 posted on 08/12/2006 10:28:59 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: churchillbuff

This story is becoming yesterday's news, finally. Meantime who is talking about Robin Williams and his 2-year relaspse into alcoholism and treatment now in rehab? I can imagine he's said some colorful and offensive things while drunk, and he says them when he's sober too!


33 posted on 08/12/2006 10:32:34 AM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: churchillbuff

James Dobson Lends Support to Mel Gibson...

but stands firm on his hatred of Tinky Winky and disgust at SpongeBob Squarepants.


34 posted on 08/12/2006 10:34:20 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

That wasn't Dobson...FYI.


35 posted on 08/12/2006 10:39:25 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

ooops. my mistake.


36 posted on 08/12/2006 10:40:22 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Reagan Man

"For the rest of Gibson`s life, he will be known first and foremost as, an anti-Semite."

Maybe by people like you, but not by me.


37 posted on 08/12/2006 10:41:50 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Biblebelter

Anyone who makes a fetish of a single bible translation must be taken with not a grain, but a pound of salt.


38 posted on 08/12/2006 10:43:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Reagan Man

For the rest of Gibson`s life, he will be known first and foremost as, an anti-Semite.




I remain hopeful that he'll do something else that will far overshadow the thing on PCH.


39 posted on 08/12/2006 10:45:48 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
Spongebob-o-phobia was exclusively James Dobson. The fervor over Tinky-Winky, however, was caused by Jerry Falwell.
40 posted on 08/12/2006 10:53:32 AM PDT by Prodn2000
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To: Grandma2
Passion was full of half truths and outright falsehoods .

I ask respectfully, How do you know, since you say you would "never watch" the film? I saw it, I'm also familiar with the Gospels, and I'm not aware of the falsehoods you refer to. Could you be more specific?

41 posted on 08/12/2006 10:56:05 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

The title is WRONG....makes it sound like Dobson is in support of Mel Gibson's drunkeness. Nothing would be further than the truth. Jim Dobson is saying that Mel Gibson's drunk arrest has NOTHING to do with " The Passion" which will go down in history as a all time " classic" film on the diety of Christ!!!!!!


42 posted on 08/12/2006 10:58:17 AM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Grandma2
This nation was based on Judea Christian laws taken from Bible . The Ten Commandments were on all our walls, not voo doo or any other religion's .

Can't argue with you there. You're merely stating indisputable facts.

43 posted on 08/12/2006 10:58:31 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Good statement, James Dobson!


44 posted on 08/12/2006 11:01:38 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: churchillbuff
My opinion on what reviews Ive read . This is too detailed to go into . You have every right to defend this as I do to object to it .

Lets just agree to disagree.
45 posted on 08/12/2006 11:10:06 AM PDT by Grandma2
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