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Prosecutor: Mackinac Bridge was target (plan for cell phones)
The Saginaw News ^ | JUSTIN ENGEL08/12/06

Posted on 08/12/2006 3:11:03 PM PDT by SE Mom

Tuscola County prosecutors filed terrorism-related charges Saturday against three men who they say bought dozens of cell phones Friday in Caro in a globally coordinated plot involving the Mackinac Bridge.

They charged brothers Adham Abdelhamid Othman, 21, and Louai Abdelhamied Othman, 23, along with their cousin, Maruan Awad Muhareb, 18, with identical counts of collecting material to support terrorist acts and surveillance of a vulnerable target with intent to committ terrorism.

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To: gaijin
depressing to think we are in fact relying more on Walmart clerks than on the freaking FBI for our national security.

No.

The clerk had his/her eyes open and alerted authorities when something unusual happened. That's how it's supposed to work.

201 posted on 08/12/2006 4:52:58 PM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: SE Mom

Folks need to be aware of CREW, the military/FedGov is not standing around...


202 posted on 08/12/2006 4:53:28 PM PDT by dakine
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To: ARealMothersSonForever; Diddle E. Squat
After reading the links in post #14, I have come to the conclusion that they should be disabled immediately, as an emergency order.

Since these have been bought up by suspicious people since mid-March, we have a real security threat. The government could temporarily disable them and offer refunds. I am not willing to take the risk.

Read the link in post #14 and tell me that something shouldn't be done. Those people on that site are primarily interested in griping about Wal Mart and don't have any reason to make those stories up.

203 posted on 08/12/2006 4:53:47 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Oh yeah it is; it's about 9 hours from Dearborn to Macinac Bridge.


204 posted on 08/12/2006 4:53:57 PM PDT by no dems (www.4condi.com)
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To: tommix2

I saw an episode on History Channel about this bridge. It was an amazing engineering feat considering the harsh winters.


205 posted on 08/12/2006 4:54:00 PM PDT by dc27
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To: hoosiermama; Cindy

Ping and bump.


206 posted on 08/12/2006 4:54:14 PM PDT by fanfan (The MSM has no clothes.)
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

ping


207 posted on 08/12/2006 4:54:22 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: dalereed
All they need to take the bridge down is to sever the 2 end ties on the cables.

Some muzzie structural engineer knows exactly where the "weakest link" is!

208 posted on 08/12/2006 4:54:25 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Liberals out of power are comical-Liberals in power are dangerous!"-Rush Limbaugh.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Yeah. My point was that blowing up water bridges can cause serious financial impact.


209 posted on 08/12/2006 4:55:38 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: no dems

Five hours, straight up I-75.


210 posted on 08/12/2006 4:56:14 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: rintense; PhiKapMom
Did you know that there will be 65,000 people walking across that bridge on Sept. 4th? What about 70,000 plus people at a U of M football game?

Considering there have been cell phone arrests in many states, this is part of a larger plot. As I said above, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they had a list of targets in every single state in order to maximize terror- and throw our emergency response into a state of chaos.

Ping!

211 posted on 08/12/2006 4:56:30 PM PDT by fanfan (The MSM has no clothes.)
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To: dakine

I have never thought they were.


212 posted on 08/12/2006 4:56:38 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Grut

We'll see what happens next week. It's always possible this is much ado about a little money laundering.

But in the opening paragraph it states this was a globally coordinated plot involving the Mackinac Bridge.

Time will tell.


213 posted on 08/12/2006 4:57:46 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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To: oceanview; Miss Marple
FRS is "uniquely addressable" within some constraints. I am quite familiar with cellular, PCS, satellite and wireless technologies. Suffice that countermeasures are in place. One would need to be suicidal to connect any wireless device to an incendiary or explosive device. Someone could in theory create a Nextel group, via a legitimate business, and detonate things. Sheesh. We can not shut down all communications because the Boogeyman might use them. Has it occurred to anyone that prepaid wireless gets tracked?
214 posted on 08/12/2006 4:58:33 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: Post-Neolithic
Wonder how many Islamic plants we have reading this board

I don't know if "plants" is the word I'd use, but I've noticed a few posters with conspicuously conservative sounding monikers posting unashamed defenses of Islam. IMO, they are just the arrogant fringe - thinking they can disguise their true motives with "clever" rhetoric - many, many more are just lurking.

215 posted on 08/12/2006 4:58:48 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Here's another photo that demonstrates how truly big the Mackinac Bridge is: 5 miles long with 8,614 feet suspended - the longest suspension in the Americas and third longest in the world - not sure if these stats still hold.

Big Mac at Night

216 posted on 08/12/2006 4:58:49 PM PDT by Azzurri
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Throw 'em off it.


217 posted on 08/12/2006 4:59:16 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
nonsense.
good thing you didn't claim to be an engineer, too......


No, I am not a professional engineer. However, I did serve for many years as a demolitions expert on a Special Forces A-Team. I will say that suspension bridges are the toughest demolitions problem I have ever encountered. The main cables on the bridge are huge, and extremely difficult to secure effective charges to cut them. I shall not go into detail with the problem of dropping a tower, but it is a problem. You might recall the terrorists gave up on the Brooklyn Bridge, and I have no doubt that cutting the cable was the problem. Granted, one might be able to drop another section of the bridge, but unless one of the main cables is cut or one of the towers dropped the best you can hope for is a partial demolition.
218 posted on 08/12/2006 4:59:17 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: dakine

CREW?


219 posted on 08/12/2006 4:59:59 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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To: Azzurri

Hey, I think I'm in that picture!


220 posted on 08/12/2006 5:01:08 PM PDT by stayathomemom (From an old cartoon and a Burt and Ernie skit on "Sesame Street")
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To: SE Mom
"HOWEVER! They can also be used to make IED's...cover communication trails....has this poster been made aware of the bridge involvement?" I had one of my facts wrong, he has been a member since 2004. And It's very unlikely this poster would agree they were terrorists no matter what proof you sent his or her way.

For example here is his first post

Three Middle Eastern Men Found With 1000 Cell Phones

To: george76

So they buy em for $20 sell them for $38 out of the back of thier van perhaps with the implication that they are hot and don't disclose that they are only good for 40 minutes of airtime.

They sound like dishonest business men but not terrorists.

4 posted on 08/11/2006 11:11:11 AM PDT by The Lumster (USA - where the innocent have nothing to fear!)

And it just goes downhill from there.

221 posted on 08/12/2006 5:01:25 PM PDT by Post-Neolithic
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To: gaijin
Perhaps next time we have a Waco-type scenario, we should call Walmart...?

Well, that would be a lot better than calling BATF. At least WalMart clerks wouldn't burn a bunch of innocent little kids to death.

222 posted on 08/12/2006 5:01:50 PM PDT by epow
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To: Gritty
it would be a lot easier to plant several IEDs along the parade route and set them off simultaneously. Yes I think your are right. These knuckleheads aren't that stupid to think they could take the bridgew down. They probably had something like you say in mind.
223 posted on 08/12/2006 5:02:17 PM PDT by tommix2
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To: Diva

wouldn't it be a hit on both the US and Canada ? why terrorize only one country when two would be preferable ?

Glad your kids made it across ok, and will return ok ... send them to Wal-Mart for a thank you shopping spree ;)


224 posted on 08/12/2006 5:03:01 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: no dems
"Oh yeah it is; it's about 9 hours from Dearborn to Macinac Bridge"

By bicycle? You could drive it from the Ohio line in 6 hrs.
225 posted on 08/12/2006 5:03:05 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Buh Bye Joey Schwartz, the 7th district doesn't vote for liberal pukes)
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To: SE Mom

mark


226 posted on 08/12/2006 5:03:18 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower Traffic Keep Right)
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To: rintense; Cindy

09-04-06?

Add it up...19 is a "special number" for the terrorists.


227 posted on 08/12/2006 5:03:22 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: delacoert

Names? For us less astute...


228 posted on 08/12/2006 5:03:48 PM PDT by dakine
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To: rintense
Yeah...remember that converted muslim guy that blew himself up right outside a packed football stadium in OK last year?

He had tried, unsuccessfully, to get into the stadium twice...but, but, he was no terrorist...we know that because his father, the FBI and the President of the college told us he wasn't.

229 posted on 08/12/2006 5:04:28 PM PDT by top 2 toe red (To the enemy in Iraq..."Don't bet on American politics forcing my hand!" President Bush)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Well, it's great that pre paid can be tracked. How about the first time they are used it is as detonators to kill a bunch of people crossing that bridge on Labor Day? So what if we could track them all...the people are already DEAD!


230 posted on 08/12/2006 5:05:00 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: top 2 toe red
...keep changing their cell phones with different phone numbers every call or two.

If 'talking' was the purpose, why discard the batteries?

Who knows? First off, by getting rid of the packaging, the phones would be smaller, and easier to conceal or ship. And it could be that they want to charge the batteries en-mass, outside of the phone, then distribute the phones with the batteries disconnected, to ensure that the GPS devices are disabled. I don't know if the chargers are the sort that recharge through the phone, or if they're stand-alone, and the article doesn't say.

Mark

231 posted on 08/12/2006 5:05:14 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: SE Mom

Counter Radio Controlled IED Electronic Warfare (CREW)


232 posted on 08/12/2006 5:05:38 PM PDT by dakine
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To: Paleo Conservative

Oh and I wanted to tell you that that bridge now has warning lights to keep people from driving off a missing section again.


233 posted on 08/12/2006 5:05:40 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: SE Mom
Adham Abdelhamid Othman, 21, and Louai Abdelhamied Othman, 23, along with their cousin, Maruan Awad Muhareb, 18, with identical counts of collecting material to support terrorist acts and surveillance of a vulnerable target with intent to committ terrorism.

By the names, I see those Christian terrorists are at it again? Sheesh.

234 posted on 08/12/2006 5:05:55 PM PDT by b4its2late (There are good terrorists - dead ones.)
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To: dakine

Ok thanks:)


235 posted on 08/12/2006 5:07:27 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

prepaid wireless does not get tracked. I can walk into best buy and walk out with an activated phone. no one knows I purchased it, they can listen to my conversation - but they can't trace the number to me.

FNC covering this again now.


236 posted on 08/12/2006 5:07:51 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: rintense
"Again, at the very least... 500 bombs killing 10 people would have a greater death toll than 911. And if this scenario is taking place in every state... God help us all."

I was thinking the same thing as I came to your post. Literally there have been thousands of these things purchased by different people. We may have only caught a few. What better way to bring the country to a stand still than by setting thousands of small bombs around the country, no where of importance, and just enough explosives to destroy 1 car, or one building. All seemingly completely random, and all triggered by a disposable cell phone. I said thousands what about hundreds of thousands? The people triggering them could hit them all at once, or do multiple waves, and they would not even have to be in this country. We would be thrown into anarchy, and chaos in seconds, and might never recover. Take a city like where I am, Charlotte. On 9/4 at 10am 10,000 explosions like I described above took place. First responders go out, and can't cover near all of them, and this happened in every city in America. Bad, bad deal. I hope someone alot smarter than me is going over inventory sheets for every cell phone manufacturer, and retailer in this country.
237 posted on 08/12/2006 5:08:16 PM PDT by rikkir (Focus, people, focus, we still have work to do in November!)
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To: dinasour

Thx for the link, interesting posts. Thinks it's an anti-Dollar General site, tho - DGSUCKS?


238 posted on 08/12/2006 5:08:32 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Hey, look man, I didn't mean to shoot the son of a b!tch. The gun went off. I don't know why.)
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To: Miss Marple

I doubt the alibi of buying these phones to resell them. With all that cash, they'd have no problem buying these phones cheaper wholesale. Perhaps they didn't go wholesale so as to avoid scrutiny because they want tax free income, but that is still illegal, and I wonder if all the time and effort is cheaper than the taxes. Can't think of any reasons for the actions that don't involve illegality at some point in the chain.

I also question that these are all intended to be used as detonators (though perhaps some are.) Probably most will be used for communication. The New York Times' gifts just keep giving and giving and giving...


239 posted on 08/12/2006 5:08:38 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Miss Marple

It should only take one phone though right? What are the others for?


240 posted on 08/12/2006 5:09:03 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: dalereed
All they need to take the bridge down is to sever the 2 end ties on the cables.

The main cables on the bridge are 24.5 inches in diameter. Have you ever looked at the cable anchors on a large suspension bridge?
241 posted on 08/12/2006 5:09:55 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: mgstarr

""Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. "
Benjamin Franklin "

I have doubts about whether the post-revolution american colonies would have allowed muslim immigration at all if it were to have been attempted, and I have no doubt whatsoever that the first hint of the current problem the states or citizens would have forcibly evicted them, citizens or not.


242 posted on 08/12/2006 5:10:01 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: GarySpFc

I will say that suspension bridges are the toughest demolitions problem . you are right.


243 posted on 08/12/2006 5:10:10 PM PDT by tommix2
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To: ladyinred
Has the ACLU lawyer got them out on bail yet?

Don't think so, but their lawyer, families and friends are busy painting them as innocent "red-blooded, all American kids".

244 posted on 08/12/2006 5:10:17 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: rikkir

Your scenario is why I think that the suggestion that they should all be disabled is necessary.


245 posted on 08/12/2006 5:10:18 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: GarySpFc

Only the SF Bay bridge.


246 posted on 08/12/2006 5:11:21 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: oceanview

Well, can we get a list of numbers. We can all call them and ask "what's up"?


247 posted on 08/12/2006 5:11:51 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Deo volente

"When this is all said and done, these young men might have to be physically removed from our country, if we are to survive. A declaration of martial law would be a foregone conclusion if we were to suffer a truly devastating attack, and I don't believe America would stand for any of these young men remaining among us to continue to threaten us any further. Neither would we stand for their mosques continuing to preach hate and destruction every Friday afternoon.
"

I bet over half the US population is reaching or beyond this attitude now, and I double-bet you that we could have 10x the damage of the 9/11 attacks and Fedgov would bend over backwards to NOT do what you are saying.


248 posted on 08/12/2006 5:12:07 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Miss Marple
How about the first time they are used it is as detonators to kill a bunch of people crossing that bridge on Labor Day?

Well, we need to outlaw and confiscate every digital clock circuit. Because that is the only functionality left available. Think about it. Is that really viable?

249 posted on 08/12/2006 5:12:18 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: Miss Marple

I think all internet access should be disabled...never know what could happen if it is used by unscrupulous folks...


250 posted on 08/12/2006 5:12:57 PM PDT by dakine
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