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Convicted border agents finding a lot of supporters (Letters to Judge are welcome)
Daily Bulletin ^ | 8/13/06 | Sara A. Carter

Posted on 08/13/2006 10:13:29 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

A conservative grass-roots organization has gathered nearly 40,000 signatures since Wednesday on a petition to be sent to President Bush on behalf of two Border Patrol agents convicted of violating a drug smuggler's civil rights.

Two of the jurors who convicted the agents also are expressing misgivings about the verdict, saying they were pressured by other jury members and the prosecution to reach a quick decision in the case.

Grassfire, a nonprofit organization that uses online petitions to affect legislation, has created a special Web link and letter to President Bush for Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, who were convicted on numerous counts of violating Mexican national Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila's civil rights during a pursuit on Feb. 17, 2005.

Steve Elliott, president of Grassfire, could not be reached Saturday for comment. The petition letter, which is posted on www.grassfire.org, is expected to be sent to the president when it reaches 100,000 signatures.

"As a citizen of the United States, I am outraged to learn that two U.S. Border agents are facing 20-year prison terms for doing their jobs -- pursuing illegal aliens who cross our border -- and I'm calling on you to officially pardon them for their actions," the letter states.

Thousands of letters have also poured in from across the nation to various support organizations for the Ramos and Compean families. Friends of the Border Patrol, a Chino-based nonprofit organization chaired by Andy Ramirez, is accepting donations for Ramos' defense fund. The National Border Patrol Council also has set up a Border Agents Ramos and Compean Defense Fund. TJ Bonner, president of the union, said the union donated $10,000 to begin the fund.

On Friday, two of the 12 jurors who convicted the agents said pressure from the prosecution and possible misconduct involving other jurors may have led to the conviction.

In an interview with the Daily Bulletin Saturday, a juror who asked to be identified only as Claudia said she was the last holdout on the jury before the guilty verdicts were handed down.

"I've had nightmares about the family since the day of the verdict," Claudia said. "I want to do whatever I can to support the families. I'm not at peace."

Ramos, 37, and Compean, 28, were convicted of assault with serious bodily injury; assault with a deadly weapon; discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence; and a civil rights violation. Aldrete-Davila, the Mexican national the agents were pursuing, was in possession of more than $1 million worth of marijuana, which he had brought into the United States through the small town of Fabens, Texas.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Deborah Kanof, who successfully prosecuted both men, argued during the trial that it was not the agents' job to pursue Davila in the first place.

Compean and Ramos also were convicted of four counts and two counts, respectively, of obstruction of justice for not reporting that their weapons had been fired.

The El Paso U.S. Probation Office recommended to Judge Kathleen Cardone that each man get 20 years.

Claudia and another juror, Bob Grouley, who teaches special-needs students, said the guidelines provided to the jury were at times difficult to understand and that several of the guidelines regarding the convictions were open to interpretation.

Both added that several of the jurors, including the foreman, pressured colleagues to go with a guilty verdict because spring break was a week away and they didn't want to be stuck in a long deliberation. Grouley said the foreman told the jurors, several of whom were holding out, that Judge Cardone would not accept a hung jury.

The foreman, whose name is being withheld, could not be reached for comment.

Grouley said he contacted Mary Stillenger, Ramos's attorney, several weeks after the trial was over to let her know he was not comfortable with the verdict.

"We had to go by the judge's orders, but this punishment doesn't fit the crime," Grouley said.

Kanof, who could not be reached for comment Saturday, said in an earlier interview with the Daily Bulletin that she questioned the jury after the verdict and that all members said they were satisfied with the verdict.

Texas U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton also released a statement on Friday in support of the conviction.

Monica Ramos, Ignacio's wife, said she doesn't blame the jurors who are speaking out, and is grateful for the recent wave of support for her husband.

"We look at these e-mails ... just the simplest of words have changed us and given us hope," said Ramos, who is dreading her husband's Aug. 22 sentencing date. "So many people from all across the country have cared enough about us that they have written us and prayed for us."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: agents; aliens; border; borderpatrol; bordersecurity; california; compean; convicted; finding; govwatch; gramsci; grassfire; immigration; ramos; ramosandcompean; saraacarter; supporters; wodlist

1 posted on 08/13/2006 10:13:32 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: All
The petition letter, which is posted on www.grassfire.org, is expected to be sent to the president when it reaches 100,000 signatures.
2 posted on 08/13/2006 10:14:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Signed. This is outrageous.


3 posted on 08/13/2006 10:31:30 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: NormsRevenge

Signed. Absolutely outrageous. A drug smuggler 'who had his rights abused' had to be tracked down by Homeland Security and given immunity to provide his testimony? This has got to be the only country in the world which would do such a thing.


4 posted on 08/13/2006 10:48:49 AM PDT by kingu (Yeah, I'll vote in 2006, just as soon as a party comes along who listens.)
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To: NormsRevenge; All
Link to the petition.
5 posted on 08/13/2006 10:50:13 AM PDT by upchuck (Rooooooooters ~ Giving smoke and mirrors a bad name since 1937.)
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To: gubamyster

ping


6 posted on 08/13/2006 11:20:20 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: NormsRevenge

Thank you for this post and keeping the spotlight on this miscarriage of justice. I have signed the petition.

I read on another posting that it is possible that the drug dealer who was given immunity to testify against the US Agents may also be given US citizenship down the road. Any wonder why people outside the Beltway to not trust this government to structure a "comprehensive" illegal immigration plan.


7 posted on 08/13/2006 11:22:55 AM PDT by FOXFANVOX (God Bless Our Military!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Assistant U.S. Attorney Deborah Kanof, who successfully prosecuted both men, argued during the trial that it was not the agents' job to pursue Davila in the first place.

This statement seems to indicate she wanted a conviction because she was like the Border Patrol. The fact is Border Patrol Agent are allowed to pursue suspects.

Interestingly enough all the Border Patrol Agents that have recently been caught smuggling or helping the cartels have recieved less jail time. Supervisors McClaren and Aviles from El Centro Sector were recently caught taken smugglers from detention and releasing them. They gave up names of agents and recieved hundreds of thousands of dollars. They were sentenced to five years, were allowed to keep their homes in exchange for restitution. These guys get ten years, yeah now that's justice /sarc.

8 posted on 08/13/2006 12:17:58 PM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: Ajnin
because she was like the Border Patrol=because she did not like the Border Patrol.
9 posted on 08/13/2006 12:19:16 PM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: NormsRevenge
It amazes me that none of the MSM will pick up this story. The El Paso Times covered the trial, in brief, but no other newspaper (other than World Net Daily) is mentioning it.

An EPT (from which we cannot post) article on 8/10/06 mentions that Andy Ramirez, from the San Diego based Friends of the Border Patrol, will be testifying at the House immigration hearing to take place in El Paso Aug. 17 and plans to tell the story of the two border patrol agents.

Maybe then someone else will cover it?

10 posted on 08/13/2006 1:43:42 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

I hear ya.. The Inland Valley Daily Bulletin and Sara Carter and a few other rags and some at FR seem to be the only ones trying to get the word out.


11 posted on 08/13/2006 1:57:30 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NormsRevenge
Petition signed.

BTTT

/jasper

12 posted on 08/13/2006 1:58:42 PM PDT by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie !)
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To: calcowgirl

FYI.......Lou Dobbs has been all over this case and has promised to continue helping these agents get publicity and hopefully some justice. The arrogance of these fed'l prosecutors over what should have been at the most most an administrative action is reprehensible.


13 posted on 08/13/2006 2:18:16 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: NormsRevenge

I did find some interesting tidbits in the old El Paso Times articles. Ramos was offered various plea deals, but declined all of them believing he did nothing wrong. The last offer was to serve one year in prison and pay all of the drug smugglers medical expenses.

Those medical expenses were probably not small. While Sara Carter mentions only being shot "in the buttocks," the EPT reports at various times that his urethra was "severed," "ruptured," or "shattered" and had to be "rebuilt."

The defense also presented evidence that the drug smuggler was not hit in the back, as some allege (medical records showing the angle of the bullet's entry). The defense also attempted to expose other agents who had relatives or friends "on the other side of the law."

Not good (imo) for Compean, the EPT reported that he picked up only nine of his shell casings at first and later sent another border agent back to retrieve the other five. The agent testified that he threw them in a canal. Lots of covering up going on.


14 posted on 08/13/2006 2:51:52 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: american spirit

I'm glad to hear Dobbs is on it.

Something went very, very wrong here.


15 posted on 08/13/2006 2:52:50 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: NormsRevenge
two U.S. Border agents are facing 20-year prison terms for doing their jobs

Doing their jobs? The agents shot the guy as he was running away (toward Mexico). They knew he was unarmed because he had already tried to surrender. When one of their shots finally hit the guy and he fell to the ground, the agents walked away. For all they knew, the guy could have been bleeding to death, but they just left him there and headed back north. Then they hid evidence of what happened and failed to report it. That's not their job.

16 posted on 08/15/2006 5:34:59 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: Sandy

Do they deserve 20 years?

btw, I saw the prosecutor on Fox last night discussing the case.


17 posted on 08/15/2006 10:33:20 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NormsRevenge

This is a lesson everyone can learn from.

If you're on a jury, NEVER vote against what you are absolutely convinced of.

Do not give in, do not back track, do not change your mind unless you are convinced by the evidence and the law, to the contrary.

Keep in mind, Jury Nullification can work, but the word needs to get out that the Jury is THE final judge on the law.


18 posted on 08/15/2006 10:36:05 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Signed and send the link and email to Burns, Rehburg and Baucus of Montana.


19 posted on 08/15/2006 10:41:11 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Do they deserve 20 years?

I don't know. What's the usual sentence for shooting a person? 20 years seems reasonable to me.

20 posted on 08/15/2006 10:44:38 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: NormsRevenge

Signed.


21 posted on 08/15/2006 10:50:27 AM PDT by Badray (While defending the land called America, we must also be sure to preserve the Idea called America.)
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To: Sandy

They will be sentenced under federal sentencing guidelines, they will likely get 10 years minimum, sorry to disappoint you if they get the minimum.


22 posted on 08/15/2006 10:52:13 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: Sandy

That's the first that I heard the version you report. Do you have a link to that? Was that the prosecution's claim or is that undisputed fact? Thanks.


23 posted on 08/15/2006 10:55:30 AM PDT by Badray (While defending the land called America, we must also be sure to preserve the Idea called America.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I signed it. This is outrageous.


24 posted on 08/15/2006 10:57:42 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Badray
That's the first that I heard the version you report. Do you have a link to that? Was that the prosecution's claim or is that undisputed fact?

That's the version that got them convicted. Here.

25 posted on 08/15/2006 11:04:48 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: NormsRevenge
they will likely get 10 years minimum, sorry to disappoint you if they get the minimum.

10 years is good too.

26 posted on 08/15/2006 11:06:38 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: Sandy

I am sure the families of the agents are gladdened by your response.


27 posted on 08/15/2006 11:07:54 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Did you get one of these? Ramos to be on TV tonight!

I'm not sure about this schedule though. According to my TV guide, it says Glenn Beck is on at 6pm and 9pm PST (not 7 and 9)

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Dear xxx,

As a signer of our petition supporting Border Patrol
Agents Ramos and Compean we wanted to alert you to
some exciting news tonight on CNN Headline News.
Grassfire.org has been alerted that the Glenn Beck
show will be featuring Ramos and his attorney to
discuss the case. Following that segment Glenn
will direct viewers to go to Grassfire to sign
the very petition that you have already signed,
meaning potentially tens of thousands more citizens
will flood the White House with petitions urging
the President to pardon these two agents.

http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp?PID=11568901

Grassfire is urging all members of our team who have
signed this petition to alert your friends and to
watch the Glenn Beck show tonight. Please see below
for details:

"Glenn Beck" on CNN Headline Prime, 7pm and 9pm.

After viewing this message please be sure to set some
time tonight and encourage your friends to watch it
as well. On behalf of these two agents thank you for
standing with Grassfire.

p.s. To date more than 50,000 petitions have been signed.
Please encourage your friends to sign now as sentencing
for these two agents is just days away.

http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp?PID=11568901


28 posted on 08/15/2006 5:44:56 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks for the Heads Up..


29 posted on 08/15/2006 5:47:34 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NormsRevenge

I have one message for the gutless jurors who convicted these border patrol agents. (They showed an interview with the 12th juror. She was "pressured" into agreeing with the other jurors. Needless to say, her face and name were not revealed for fear of retaliation.)

GUTLESS PEOPLE DESERVE TYRANNY.


30 posted on 08/16/2006 4:00:44 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis (Xandros : In a world without fences, who needs Gates?)
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It's for the children. Give up your country and then your rights and maybe, just maybe everyone around us will be happy. I hope the assimilation of the former USA into Mexico will make people happy. This is obviously sarcasm, it's just sickening to see what has happened to the once great United States of America. 9/11 and the borders are still wide open.


31 posted on 08/17/2006 10:18:01 PM PDT by NormanTuttle
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