Posted on 08/13/2006 11:58:40 AM PDT by LibWhacker
YOUNG Welsh Muslims have accused the Government of master-minding this week's plot to blow up transatlantic jets mid-air to justify Tony Blair's war on terror.
Some followers of Islam have claimed the arrest of more than 20 people on suspicion of scheming to kill thousands of passengers travelling to America using liquid explosives is designed to bolster the Prime Minister's flagging credibility over the Iraq and Lebanon-Israel crises.
Speaking to Wales On Sunday last night, members of the Cathays Dar-ul-Isra Muslim Community Centre in Cardiff said it was a ploy to reinforce Mr Blair's alliance with US President George W Bush, who waged war on Saddam Hussein on a discredited claim that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.
"I believe this so-called plot is all a fabrication aimed at covering up the actions of George Bush and Tony Blair," said Abdul Ullah, 26. "Sadly, people will believe whatever they are told these days."
Dr Sam Ben, 29, added: "As far as I can make out, people have been arrested but none have been charged with anything or were caught at the scene of any crime. I believe the whole operation has been a smoke-screen."
Another said: "It's all a lie from the government. I think they want to cover up what's going on in the Middle East and it's just another way to take attention away from what is happening there and to frighten people into silence.
"It's similar to what happened with Iraq. It will probably take years before the truth finally comes out."
Other Muslims, however, refute the idea, believing Islam's real enemy are the extremists responsible for the alleged plot.
Plaid Cymru councillor for Riverside in Cardiff Mohammed-Sarul Islam said: "These kind of people give Muslims a bad name. It's just a minority courting more bad feeling and resentment towards the rest of us. The first word in Islam is peace and this kind of behaviour is disgraceful."
Asghar Javad Ali, chairman of Madina Mosque in Cardiff, said: "I've never seen any mad men like that, and if this thing is a hoax or just more false intelligence then it wouldn't be the first time.
"If there is a contingent of Muslims behind all this then it's a very small one, and in doing it they're killing Islam.
"Our religion's number one priority is to look after all human beings, not just other Muslims."
Commentators say accusations of a Government plot arise from a home-grown threat - a disbelief that the British Muslim community could foster suicide bombers.
But there are theories that anti-West propaganda videos for sale in the UK, on the street and over the internet, fill the gap left by 'out-of-touch' mosques. Indeed, on-line Muslim messageboards in Wales show youngsters accusing mosques of being "depressing and backward".
The videos are said to capitalise on the British and American Governments, who play down the effect of military force on foreign soil, and breed a sense of injustice and frustration among the young.
Reflecting the threat, the UK's highest-ranking Asian police officer has called for an independent judicial inquiry into radicalisation of young Muslims after July 7, in which three of the London bombers were British.
Yorkshire's Mohammed Siddique Khan referred to the Iraq situation as the reason for his 'martyrdom'.
"I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters," he said. "Until you stop the bombing and torture of my people we will not stop this fight."
It is a sentiment not lost on Madina Mosque's Asghar Javad Ali.
"No doubt some people see what terrible things are going on in places like Lebanon and they lose their heads," he said.
"Watching other Muslims across the world being killed can only breed hatred and as far as US foreign policy is concerned, well, the UK just follows right behind.
"But there can be no excuse for this sort of thing."
Last night, Downing Street denied any cover-up. A spokesman said: "We should always remember that the terrorism affecting the West today has blighted Muslim countries for several decades. It certainly pre-dated our decision to support democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq and of course the September 11 attacks. Our foreign policy is focused on supporting the people of those countries in their desire to live in a democracy just as we enjoy in the UK."
None more so than a depraved, brainwashed, homicidal, POS Mu-slime.
This fits with what we know about the WTC being an inside job.
And the last word is submit.
They sound a lot like Democrats, no?
Just the thought of Wales and Muslim.... should tell you everything!
I think that a big part of the problem, particularly in the UK, is that the govt. "reaches out to" and hence legitimizes some of the most isolating (if not radical) groups that claim to represent Islam.
Who's to say that this group or that group "speaks for" British Muslims? Do these "muslim leaders" have inherent ownership of all of Britons of Pakistani, Bengali, or Arab descent? I don't remember agreeing to that.
Welsh Muslims. Now that's funny.
Yeah wasn't it amazing how Bush mass hypnotized several 10s of thousands of New Yorkers into believing they saw Airplanes hit the Towers? The man is diabolical. And the film footage! How did they ever manage to get all those media types to go along with it?
"Until you stop the bombing and torture of my people we will not stop this fight."
Bring it on sucker.
I have plenty of virgins for ya...but you gotta be forcibly sent into the next world before you can claim em....
Every nation of the UK is multicultural.
Only in American TV are all Britons effette upper class English.
You know, they do sound JUST like our current crop of Democrat Leaders. Interesting insight.
In that endeavour, and only that one, I wish them every success.
"Watching other Muslims across the world being killed can only breed hatred"
So, how do the idiot muslims think Westerners respond when we watch radicals lob missiles indiscriminately at our homes, etc.
Keep yapping, terrorist enablers. You just might whine your way out of the parts of Europe that still have traces of backbone.
1) Immediately upon being caught hatching another one of their murderous schemes, announce that Muslims are "concerned over a backlash." This does two things: it puts the handwringers and moral cowards into a defensive posture (they back off for fear of seeming "intolerant" or "insensitive), and it forestalls any meaningful retaliation that might prevent such occurrences in the future.
2) Blame vague, cultural ephemera for turning innocent, loving children into crazed murderers. Ask rhetorical and pointless questions like "Where did our communities fail these young men?" and "How can our society defuse the angst that drives ordinary middle-class youths to do such horrible things?" This provides another shield for the perpetrators, and shifts the blame from Islam, where it truly lies, to "the community" and "society," entities that can be described but never pinned down. It also absolves Muslim leaders of any responsiblity for their inflammatory exhortations, and short-circuits any attempt to build a case for conspiracy to incite murder.
3) Deny, deny, deny. After the situation has calmed somewhat, hint that in fact it never even occurred, at least not in the way it has been described by the media. Show that the arrests and interdictions were the result of bigotry and stereotyping by hate-filled Western authorities, feeble attempts to bolster slipping popularity or gain support for even more oppressive measures against the peace-loving Muslim community. This plays on the innate distrust many people have of government, and exploits the suspicions many have of politicians' motives. It might be best to let the denials be handled by one of the more extreme groups, since repeated denial of documented facts tends to erode the credibility of more mainstream organizations.
Unbelievable freaking demoniac people. They're all conscoiusly lying, of course.
Why are there any Muslims in Wales? There shouldn't be. If people want to say this is bigoted, I'm sorry. But fiends who think that the UK and the US invented this plot, or that those who plotted were justified, are enemies and should be sent back to their home countries (or their parents' home countries) this afternoon.
And I say this as someone with quite a bit of Welsh ancestry.
and that's how I know the Plot was real to paraphrase the Great Bard; "Me thinks They doth Protest Too Much"
Your comments are excellent, as they always are.
The day shall come, sooner or later, when sleeper cells containing these idiots will be broken up and deported immediately... no questions asked.
It appears that Muslims may become the first ethnic group that truely must be destroyed to save civilized life on the planet....
Even first, second and third generations born in the West -- appear to retain the lunatic murderous and pathological liar genes....
Semper Fi
It's been my not-so-secret wish that we do that to all muslims. It was a BIG mistake to let them come here in large numbers in the first place, and go other places in the western world. I've been screaming that at the top of my lungs for 40 years, ever since I first started following world affairs. There is no such thing as moderate muslims, just jihadis in their larval stage.
Liar, liar, turbin on fire. The obligation to lie to infidels is a core belief of the Muslim religion. These is taught to even the yougest of Muslims. Swell folks.
Anyone who believes in the possibility of a truce with these folks is following the path of suicidal denial or is in cahoots with the Muslim agenda.
If there are Muslims who find what's going on with their brethrn abhorrent, they need to get out their and protest and they need to start home schooling their children and acculturate them into the family of civilized man who values life, not death.
I think the last time we did it was to the Neanderthal, a different species. But then again, I think muslims are a different species.
I think I'll take that as my new tagline!
Cogent synopsis of Post-Action/Post-Detection Muslim Apologist Standard Operating Procedure. But Item 3 should not be "deny, deny, deny" but "lie, lie, lie." The apologists are saying Bush and Blair fabricated this and not that it did not transpire. But the point was made elsewhere in your post. I am just overbearing before Sunday scotch.
Yawn. Can't they think of something original?
"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplying from within." -- Will Durant
replace deported with executed... why let them live to continue plotting, or to fight us another day?
Where does it say that?
There was a day when The Story of Civilization was standard reading in universities. "The Age of Faith" is Durant's saga of the spread of Islam, and reinforces the passage you cited. Wherever the spores of Islam blew, mayhem followed.
And Durant's warning has never been truer than it is today, facing the specter we now face.
Cockney, what's that? Some sort of upper-class Brit? Because this American has never heard of such a thing.
Plus, I couldn't get over how many Asians were portrayed in the "Coupling" series! British telly is sooo much more multicultural!
And the left in the USA is trying to sell the idea that Bush carried out 9/11.
$#it. I wouldn't be surprised if you had just cut-and-pasted the first page of the Al Qaeda handbook.
It is hard to believe that such a beautiful part of the UK could become so infested with Muslim vermin.
Correction: Headline should read "Muslims wo live in Wales"
"Welsh muslims say aircraft bomb plot 'a fake'"
Too bad. Now the NYT has nothing to write about...
WELSH Muslims???!!!!
Please!!!
I bet most of these are Middle Eastern Types born in Wales or naturalized there.
That makes them as Welsh as I am - in short, not at all.
There, all fixed.
Islam delinda est.
>>>>Only in American TV are all Britons effette upper class English.<<<<<
Lister? Upper class & effete? Bwwwahahahahahaha! More like "bottom of the pan", with plenty of little, black crunchy-bits.
Then there is Mister Humphreys.... Well, I'll give him effete. But certainly not Mrs. Slocum, nor Miss Brahms.
Of course, don't leave out Hyacinth Bucket's family...especially the sweet little flower, who has a different man every night.
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