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The Pope wants to visit Serbia
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2006&mm=08&dd=12&nav_category=126&nav_id=36105 ^

Posted on 08/13/2006 1:39:39 PM PDT by kronos77

12 August 2006 | 14:24 | Source: Beta NOVI SAD -- Bishop Eugenio Sbarbaro, Apostiolic Nuncio to Belgrade, said that Pope Benedict XVI wants to visit Serbia.

Sbarbaro told Novi Sad daily Građanski List that the Pope wants to come to Serbia in order to unite the churches and religious communities better.

“When the Holy Father hears that he will be able to make the visit in that spirit, not only will he come, but we will rush to come as soon as possible.” Sbarbaro said.

Sbarbaro added that Pope Benedict XVI was supposed to visit Serbia while he was still a cardinal for discussions with the Serbian Orthodox Church, but that he did not get to visit because he was elected Pope before the meeting was realized.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; benedictxvi; catholic; catholicism; catholiclist; christianity; desecration; ecumenism; islamofascists; jihad; kosovo; ortodoxy; pope; serbia; vatican

1 posted on 08/13/2006 1:39:40 PM PDT by kronos77
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To: joan; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; Banat; ...

Can this be a beggining of new era between Serbia and Vatican?


2 posted on 08/13/2006 1:40:20 PM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary (Go IDF!))
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To: kronos77; Bokababe; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ..

They must make sure that the Pope gets a tour of the hundreds of destroyed Christian Churches, monasteries, and cemeteries in Kosovo. I have little doubt that his condemnation of these repeated desecrations would be eloquent.


3 posted on 08/13/2006 1:54:32 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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4 posted on 08/13/2006 2:46:42 PM PDT by NYer
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To: kronos77

I think that this would be a great opportunity for the Pope to meet with Serbian leaders.


5 posted on 08/13/2006 4:38:24 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Wars may be fought by weapons, but they are won by men. -General George Patton)
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To: FormerLib

BUMP!


6 posted on 08/13/2006 5:03:09 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: kronos77; FormerLib; NYer
My eye immediately noticed the sentence suggesting that the "Pope wants to come to Serbia in order to unite the churches." I think this was just a clumsy way of phrasing his intent but nonetheless it prompted a sole, less then complimentary comment appearing in the English-language version of B92 Agency, reflecting also a low-level interest for this type of news.

The visit is not even mentioned in the (Croatian script) Serbian language version of the same Agency. Neither is the visit mentioned by the Vechernye novosti (Evening News) agency, or the daily Politika.

Most surprizingly, neither does the official site of the Serbian Orthodox Church make any mention of this visit (although the issue is dated August 10th, so it may be behind the news curve).

7 posted on 08/13/2006 5:04:47 PM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kronos77; FormerLib; NYer
Apropos my last post, the Tanyug News Agency does report on Papal wish to to visit Serbia in the following way:

This is a radically different story than the one reported earlier from a generally untrustworthy B92 agency that has a reputation for bombastic and provocative news stories that turn out to be misleading.

My suggestion: do not use B92 as a source of news, period. If you have to use it, include a disqualifier.

8 posted on 08/13/2006 5:24:24 PM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

Didn't B92 used to be reliable until it was bought by Soros? Of course, I could be thinking of something else...


9 posted on 08/13/2006 5:27:35 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib; kronos77; NYer
Didn't B92 used to be reliable until it was bought by Soros? Of course, I could be thinking of something else...

B92 is bought, lock, stock and barrel. It is not just owned by a foreign owner, its activity betrays a rather obvious provocative and disruptive agenda. It is a propaganda machine.

Typically, anything that smack of Serbian patriotism is equated to "extremism." The anti-Serbian (paid for) NGOs that operate in Serbia are always represented in positive light, the Serbian Orthodox Church in negative.

Its most recent flop was an exaggerated hysterical campaign to ban the Serbian Radical Party (SRS) because one of its members accused the current vice-premier of Serbia of belonging to a family, precisely her father an brother, of Croatian (Ustasha) extremists.

This was immediately labeled as "hate speech" and G17-Plus (another foreign interest group in Serbia, with only 3% of the popular vote) organized a campaign for banning SRS altogether because of a statement of one of its members! It failed when the Prosecutor General said there was no legal basis to ban the entire party.

This is the whole purpose of B92. It moves from one distortion to another. If you read its letters to the editor you'd wonder how did SRS ever get any seats in the Parliament, along with DSS and other parties, because judging from the letters everybody in Serbia is opposed to both! If you dare mention Soros, the letter will not be printed -- guaranteed!

One can get a clear picture of how B92 distorts the news from this example on the Papal wish to visit Serbia. According to B92 the Pope is coming to "unite the churches." This is clearly a fabrication when it is compared to the actual interview reported by Tanyug!

Such fabrication is carefully launched (and the sole commentary reflects that it worked!) to provoke negative responses to any Papal visit because I am absolutely convinced that Soros hates Christ and will do anything to cause hate and discontent among Christians. If he doesn't outright own B92 (I believe the owner is a German company), he probably owns the owner!

I repeat: B92 is an unreliable news source and should never be used as a sole source of any information.

10 posted on 08/13/2006 6:02:24 PM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; kronos77

repeat: B92 is an unreliable news source and should never be used as a sole source of any information.




Absolutely unrealible...and bears repeating---take a look at "the peculiar case of B92":

http://news.suc.org/bydate/2005/February_10/31.html


11 posted on 08/13/2006 7:24:03 PM PDT by eleni121 (General Draza Mihailovich: We will never forget you - the hero of World War Two)
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To: eleni121; FormerLib; kronos77; NYer
Absolutely unrealible...and bears repeating---take a look at "the peculiar case of B92":

http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/freezer5.htm

Right on target, Eleni! Good follow up. Natasha Kandich, mentioned in your reference, who is a star performer on B92, is famous for her "freezer-truck" hoax.

Kandich has been involved in numerous other scandalous provocations in Serbia and always receives generous support and publicity by B92. Neither one has any credibility when it comes to truth.

12 posted on 08/13/2006 8:01:36 PM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

Kandic: the atrocity porn star...nothing is real.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=MAL20050610&articleId=50


13 posted on 08/13/2006 8:10:29 PM PDT by eleni121 (General Draza Mihailovich: We will never forget you - the hero of World War Two)
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To: kosta50
"Freezer truck hoax".

Ok, I'll give - how did the bodies at Batajnica and Lake Perucac get there?

Magic? Hand carried? Non-freezer trucks?

Big "duh" there, Kosta - once the bodies were discovered, the "hoax" story fell apart, though you seem to have avoided realizing it.

14 posted on 08/13/2006 8:14:31 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Gee, Hoplite, maybe you have better information?


15 posted on 08/13/2006 10:43:45 PM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
It's a moot issue, Kosta.

Kind of like the idiots who try to deny Al Qaeda was behind 9/11 after Osama took responsibility for it.

Once the mass graves were discovered in Serbia, and the corpses identified as K-Albanians killed by Serb forces in Kosovo, the whole house of cards that was the "Freezer truck hoax" hoax collapsed.

I'm surprised a smart guy like yourself hadn't figured it out by now.

Not.

16 posted on 08/13/2006 11:04:57 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

You just can't give a straight answer, can you? Is the freezer truck story true or not?


17 posted on 08/13/2006 11:21:41 PM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Which one?

The Danube truck (Kladovo) was taken, along with the retrieved contents, by General Vlastimir Djordjevic - we think those bodies were placed in the Batajnica grounds and the truck destroyed at Petrovo Selo, but the results of Vlastimir's investigation haven't been forthcoming perhaps because he's currently on trail with 5 of his cohorts in the Hague. It is interesting to note that Slobo himself acknowledged the existence of the Danube truck, though his explanation was that the bodies were immigrants who were being smuggled and the truck (belonging to a company from Prizren) fell into the river.

The Lake Perucac truck yielded its grisly contents to a clean-up crew who buried the corpses in a mass grave at Derventa - that mass grave has since been exhumed and 48 bodies recovered, with identification documents tying them to the Djakovica region in Kosovo.

Again, whether the Albanians were transported into Serbia in freezer trucks or on magic carpets is immaterial to anything other than the logistics of the Serbian crime scene clean-up operation. That the operation itself happened is beyond question, rendering the objections you raise moot, as I stated previously.

18 posted on 08/14/2006 12:34:01 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: kronos77
Keep the Pope away if he insists on any talk of unification. Won't happen and should not happen. I don't want to be part of a Church that has pedophiles as priests for one.

I love my Orthodoxy, the Byzantium and what Orthodoxy brings and is all about.

Samo Sloga

19 posted on 08/14/2006 5:28:47 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: kosta50

he's a used-car salesman as he can not give a yes or no answer. Ask him if he is a virgin, kosta. That is as simple of a question to answer form you can get..yes or no...


20 posted on 08/14/2006 5:38:12 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: Hoplite
The fact that there were trucks with bodies inside and that there were documents of some K-Albanians from Djakovitsa does not prove anything, Hoplite,other than there were boddies of some unfortunate human beings, some of whom were possibly from Djakovitsa.

Is there any reliable evidence how they were killed, or when? By whom? Do two trucks prove Kanidch's "theory?"

You can't plant a body in your neighbor's yard and claim that it is a proof that he killed someone. Judicial systems require more than allegations because you cannot prove things with allegations of who might be, or what we think it might be, or why we think it might be. Kandich did not just report the incidents — she made definitive claims, as facts, without evidence to support such claims. That's how she operates. Kandich is also blatantly one-sided, which further erodes her credibility.

21 posted on 08/14/2006 6:32:23 AM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: ma bell
Ask him if he is a virgin, kosta. That is as simple of a question to answer form you can get..yes or no...

Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by a "virgin." :)

22 posted on 08/14/2006 6:34:49 AM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
The fact that there were trucks with bodies inside and that there were documents of some K-Albanians from Djakovitsa does not prove anything

Of course not, Kosta - it's the rest of the evidence which completes the story, i.e., witness testimony of killings in Kosovo, Serbian personnel who were part of or witness to the corpse transportation scheme testifying, and the subsequent DNA identification of victims recovered from the various mass graves in Kosovo.

It's all there, Kosta. You've just shut your eyes to it.

23 posted on 08/14/2006 11:53:14 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
...various mass graves in Kosovo Serbia

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24 posted on 08/14/2006 12:22:29 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: kosta50

OldCorps does not want the pope to visit Serbia. They had enough help from the Vatican during WWII.


25 posted on 08/14/2006 12:56:02 PM PDT by OldCorps
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To: Hoplite
Well, preaching and pontificating is not goning to get you anything, Hoplite. Cought up some links, and let's see where they fit, how reliable the witnesses are, etc. If there are sources as late as December 2005 and January 2006 that call it a "truck hoax" I would venture to say that not everyone is convinced in your verison of the story.
26 posted on 08/14/2006 3:35:39 PM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
If there are sources as late as December 2005 and January 2006 that call it a "truck hoax" I would venture to say that not everyone is convinced in your verison of the story.

I don't care about them, Kosta, because they're obviously liars or just plain stupid.

Further, you seem to think that endless discussion is a substitute for recognition of facts already in evidence.

No dice, Kosta. It's probable that nothing more will come of the truck cases - the heads of the responsible Serbian government agencies at the time are in the Hague, and the Serbian government isn't about to set aside whining about Kosovo in order to prosecute members of the Police and Army for what they did there under Milosevic - it would be counterproductive to their hopes of continued sovereignity over Kosovo.

27 posted on 08/14/2006 5:30:39 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: kronos77

Hope so.


28 posted on 08/14/2006 5:39:18 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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The latest from B92 is that the Pope won't visit Serbia any time soon. Here is their English-language text from 8/19/06; source Beta:

For those not familiar with B92 (a Soros-backed institution for dissemination of lies), the use of such terms as "extreme" and "aggressive" is a way to paint the other side as evil without having to justify such claims. They will never, for example, interview one of these "extreme" and "aggressive" elements to find out why they might be opposed to such a visit.

The sole individual quoted here is a religion sociologist Mirko Djordjevich attending a "rainbow" (all inclusive, liberal) meeting of "independent jurnalists" (what an oxymoron!)

Of course, they also show now reliable numbers or names of those who are on record in favor or opposed to Papal visits in the Synod of the Serbian Orthodox Church (SPC), but rather rely on a statement by an "independent" journalist as fact. Thus, most wanton allegations of friendly sources are presented as hard facts.

B92 makes even British tabloids appear as respectable newspapers.

Of course, this story is only few days behind and in complete disagreement with an earlier B92 story, also originated in Serbia's northern liberal province of Voyvodina, based on a fabricated quote attributed to +Benedict XVI, that he wants to come to Serbia to "unite the churches" (no such recorded statement exists from the Pope).

29 posted on 08/19/2006 6:14:58 AM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Hoplite
The problem I have with the freezer truck story is that 100s of illegal immigrants from the East try to cross the border (East - Bulgaria - Serbia - the EU; it's not that hard to cross from Serbia into the EU/Hungary) every month. Now, let's face it, Serbians do help these people - they're not immune to $$$. It's not uncommon for these smugglers to simply abandon their "load" if the police are nearby.

Personally, over the last 3-4 years, I've read at least 10 news reports on some AFGHANIS being caught at the Serbia-Bulgaria border, on the Danube (Kladovo, no less!). How many don't get caught?

So, theoretically, they could've been non-Albanians (the bodies that were discovered). Some reports go as far as claiming that, indeed, the bodies that were discovered were Afghani citizens. But that's not convenient, is it?

And if I was a Serbian soldier in Kosovo, the last thing I'd do would've been transporting dead bodies in a truck, driving 400 kilometres north with NATO jets circling over my a$$.

And, if I was to come up with a story, I'd make it half-believable at least. This freezer truck story doesn't check out on so many levels.

30 posted on 08/25/2006 9:22:25 PM PDT by Banat (DEO • REGI • PATRIĆ | SAVEKOSOVO.org)
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