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The Lessons of the Father ("The rap on Mitt Romney" ...)
Boston Glob Magazine ^ | 8/13/06 | Neil Swidey

Posted on 08/13/2006 7:11:07 PM PDT by bitt

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To: JohnnyZ

Thanks for sharing.


21 posted on 08/13/2006 7:55:12 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Thanks for sharing.

Everything I need to know I learned in kindergarten :)

Happy to enlighten you.

22 posted on 08/13/2006 7:56:58 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (I ha' da Steve Nash DO befo' Steve Nash DID)
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To: JohnnyZ

Keep giving me hell. I need to get used to the climate in my after life.


23 posted on 08/13/2006 7:57:56 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie

From what I read he is anti illegal amnesty, which puts him at the top of my list(as of yesterday). I like what I have seen of him.


24 posted on 08/13/2006 8:04:31 PM PDT by libbylu
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To: Torie
Romney fils is a first tier candidate for president, and deserves to be. You can write that down.

Duly noted. Stranger things have happened, I guess, though I can't rightly remember such.

Anyway, it's a mite early for prognosticatin', I reckon. Twenty-six months before the 1996 election, I was in Phil Gramm's presidential corner. How'd that work out?

25 posted on 08/13/2006 8:08:51 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (Some people are like Slinkies: totally useless, but fun to throw down a stair.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
You thought Phil had potential to go the distance? You instinct about men is well, flawed. Stick to dogs. :)

Should I hit the post button on this reply or not, I ask myself. Hit it, my id says, what the heck. Go for it.

26 posted on 08/13/2006 8:11:32 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
If you chose your President based upon performance and wise decision making, Mitt or Rudy has to be the winner. But, if you are a single issue voter, neither one has a chance. There are some that would rather trust the future to Hillorat than a so called Rino.(wonder how Ike would have done?)
27 posted on 08/13/2006 8:13:07 PM PDT by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: JohnnyZ
"How is the guy going to be able to convince people that he'll nominate conservatives to the bench when they're getting mailings about his homosexual, gay marriage lobbyist liberal Democrat appointees in Massachusetts?"



DItto that!
28 posted on 08/13/2006 8:14:47 PM PDT by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: bybybill
But, if you are a single issue voter

Which single issue are you referring to? Abortion, gays, guns, and the dozens of issues related to those major issue categories?

Will you graciously grant people permission to oppose a candidate if they disagree on 20 or 30 "single issues"??

29 posted on 08/13/2006 8:18:25 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (I ha' da Steve Nash DO befo' Steve Nash DID)
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To: Torie
Should I hit the post button on this reply or not, I ask myself. Hit it, my id says, what the heck. Go for it.

Heck, go for it. If your id can throw it, my ego can withstand it. My backing of Gramm was not my best political choice, but it was an error of youth. OK, an error of earlier middle age.

At this point, it's all a game. But I am bemused by the fact that the pundits (most of whom seem to think that the Hudson River is the western frontier) would have us believe that the frontrunners for the GOP nomination are McCain and Rudy, with Mitt closing fast. Have they forgotten who the GOP primary voters and convention delegates will be? The pundits should get out more.

OTOH, it is (almost) equally amusing to note that the two FReeper faves seem to be Newt and Tancredo.

The race for the nomination will take many twists and turns. But I'll give anyone the five names above, and give 2-to-1 odds, while taking the field.

30 posted on 08/13/2006 8:29:23 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (Some people are like Slinkies: totally useless, but fun to throw down a stair.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Buy a lottery ticket instead, is my best advice. There is no white knight out there in the "field," except maybe the governor of Arkansas, who lost a lot of weight. He is an interesting "figure."


31 posted on 08/13/2006 8:35:43 PM PDT by Torie
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To: JohnnyZ
My problem with the litmus tests is that we should be choosing our President based upon their judgment, leadership, and decision making ability. Abortion, guns, gays, and the other dozens of issues are important but are meaningless if the candidate has lousy judgment, can`t lead, and makes wrong decisions. Look at Tancredo as an example. He`s probably right with most issues, but, as the leader of the free world, give me a break. He doesn`t even have a leadership position in the House.
32 posted on 08/13/2006 8:44:58 PM PDT by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: Torie
There is no white knight out there in the "field," except maybe the governor of Arkansas, who lost a lot of weight.

Teddy Kennedy's weight used to fluctuate a lot, dropping as election days approached. William F. Buckley, Jr., upon noting such a weight loss, proclaimed that the Republic was in peril. I trust no such omens attend Gov. Huckabee's avoirdupoisal oscillations.

The nomination contest may begin to take shape after this November's election. My guess, as it has been for a while, is George Allen. I don't place his nomination chances at more than 20% or so, but that's still more than I figure at this time for anyone else. It's wide open, but I still think that anything short of a strong pro-life position will be fatal as far as the nomination is concerned. That may or may not be a good thing for the eventual nominee as of 11/08, but that nominee will be, I am convinced, unambiguously pro-life.

33 posted on 08/13/2006 8:52:47 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (Some people are like Slinkies: totally useless, but fun to throw down a stair.)
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To: bitt
Daddy Romney may have been flaky but he did give us a classic car.


34 posted on 08/13/2006 8:52:52 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: southernnorthcarolina
avoirdupoisal oscillations

Man, Chapel Hill must actually have some intellecual activity going on in that zip code. On the other hand, I did a google on "avoirdupoisal" and came up empty. Google sucks.

Allen is a zero. He isn't going anywhere. He doesn't, as that Dodger back office guy who got fired for using the term, have the "necessaries."

35 posted on 08/13/2006 8:59:58 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Larry Lucido

hey, I HAD that car.....!!!!!!

one of the first air conditioned cars......


36 posted on 08/13/2006 9:51:49 PM PDT by bitt ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.")
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To: gidget7; JohnnyZ; Torie

' I give a high weight to smarts and temperment and honesty and management skills. Romney gets an "A" in all four.'

ditto. smart guy, good instincts, clean as a whistle.



""How is the guy going to be able to convince people that he'll nominate conservatives to the bench when they're getting mailings about his homosexual, gay marriage lobbyist liberal Democrat appointees in Massachusetts?""


Mitt presides over a state that runs amok with Democrats like Barney Frank, and the state judges that voted for homo marriage were certainly not his appointees. He has fought tirelessly to keep out front the ABSOLUTELY CRAZY issues that the dems keep trying to sneak in....and defeats them with plain talk and such clear phrasing, that the joke is the he could take over ANY job in the state...and does. (Big Dig).



37 posted on 08/13/2006 9:56:57 PM PDT by bitt ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.")
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To: bitt
and the state judges that voted for homo marriage were certainly not his appointees

Um, bitt, you're avoiding the question:

"How is the guy going to be able to convince people that he'll nominate conservatives to the bench when they're getting mailings about his homosexual, gay marriage lobbyist liberal Democrat appointees in Massachusetts?"

Mitt appointed liberal gay marriage advocates to judgeships. That is a fact.

I know you've got a man crush on him, but if he appoints gay Democrats to the bench in Massachusetts, why shouldn't anyone trust his horrendous judgment and two-facedness as president?

38 posted on 08/13/2006 10:14:05 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (I ha' da Steve Nash DO befo' Steve Nash DID)
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Abortion, guns, gays, and the other dozens of issues are important but are meaningless if the candidate has lousy judgment, can`t lead, and makes wrong decisions.

Turn that around. If you've got a liberal with good judgement, who can lead, and who makes good decisions, he may be successful in furthering his liberal agenda.

Why the heck would I, as a conservative, want that???

FIRST I want someone who wants to take the country in the right direction on life, liberty, etc. THEN I pick the 'best driver', the one who has the abilities (political and otherwise) to make those goals into reality.

39 posted on 08/13/2006 10:22:16 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (I ha' da Steve Nash DO befo' Steve Nash DID)
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To: JohnnyZ

just so we can avoid blaming poor Mitt for things that aren't really his fault (not that anyone else will)....his judicial appointments have to make it by the Governor's Council, which is (and has been, for years) made up of eight Democrats, plus the Lt. Governor. That's 8-1. Imagine trying to get conservative judges through a Senate where the Dems had a 87-13 advantage.

I suppose we could blame him for not getting any Republicans elected to the council, but that's a different issue.


40 posted on 08/14/2006 12:17:20 AM PDT by Utopus
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