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Lebanon will not force Hizbullah to withdraw
The Jeusalem Post ^ | 8/13/2006 | JPOST.COM STAFF

Posted on 08/13/2006 9:54:30 PM PDT by garbageseeker

Lebanon's ambassador to the UN said that his government would not use force to ensure the dismantling of Hizbullah, sources said early Sunday morning. He claimed that Hizbullah would independently be responsible for leaving south Lebanon.

"We could have completed a cease-fire by Sunday morning, but Israel insisted on destroying the essence of Lebanon," the ambassador commented while being interviewed by CNN.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; beirut; ceasefire; disarm; hezbollah; hizbullah; lebanon
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1 posted on 08/13/2006 9:54:30 PM PDT by garbageseeker
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To: garbageseeker

Over before it started.

But... but... lebanon is sovereign! *snort*


2 posted on 08/13/2006 9:55:49 PM PDT by Crazieman (The Democratic Party: Culture of Treason)
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To: garbageseeker

Well, if hezbolla is the essence of lebanon, then the whole lebanon needs to be destroyed together with such essence.


3 posted on 08/13/2006 9:56:01 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Crazieman

Some ceasefire.Good, Israel can continue its operations.


4 posted on 08/13/2006 9:56:34 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Wars may be fought by weapons, but they are won by men. -General George Patton)
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To: GSlob; garbageseeker
Well, if hezbolla is the essence of lebanon, then the whole lebanon needs to be destroyed together with such essence.

Why stop with Lebanon? Syria seems to be wearing a kick me sign too.

5 posted on 08/13/2006 9:59:26 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: GSlob
About 40% of the population is Christian. The 15 year long Lebanese civil war showed there is no single "essence of Lebanon".
6 posted on 08/13/2006 10:00:41 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: garbageseeker

cowards.

There are still many Syrian backed bitches in the Lebanese government who speak only what their masters tell them.



7 posted on 08/13/2006 10:03:37 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: garbageseeker

If he is admitting that the Hezi-Nazis are now considered "the essence of Lebanon" then Israel has every right and obligation to resume the counter-attack and wipe those terrorist vermin off the face of the earth. There will never be "peace" nor any real "peace process" as long as the Hezbo-terrorists are running the show in Lebanon. This "cease-fire" may prove to be just a passing cloud on the breeze since the Hezis cannot possibly intend to observe it for very long....


8 posted on 08/13/2006 10:04:32 PM PDT by Enchante (There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Mainstream Journalism)
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To: garbageseeker

What? Is this guy chewing peyote buttons or something? Maybe we should talk peace when all the parties are rational.


9 posted on 08/13/2006 10:05:58 PM PDT by claudiustg (Equivalence is depravity.)
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To: GSlob

I'll second that. All in favor say aye. Motion passes. Israel, continue on the road map to make Lebanon a dust bowl.


10 posted on 08/13/2006 10:07:14 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Considering how much trouble Israel has had with HizBullah, I don't think Lebanon would do much better.


11 posted on 08/13/2006 10:07:45 PM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: Paleo Conservative

Found it interesting that Syria today was seen removing landmines from its southern area and moving tanks near the Israeli border today.

If Hezbollah continues to get its asskicked, Syria stands to lose its proxy army in southern Lebannon and much of its influence in that region.

Assad and his Dad's generals are getting nervous.


12 posted on 08/13/2006 10:07:54 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: garbageseeker
I've been cynical about the "Middle East Peace Process" for so long but now I find myself (among many others) just unable to pretend that this stuff means anything. Trying to buoy up the pretense of possible diplomatic or political solutions is just too much to ask. A brief surcease in hostilities might be achieved but it will only allow enemies of our country to martial their resources for a more covert campaign against our surrogate & ally in the region, Israel.
It's passed time to give up pretending.
13 posted on 08/13/2006 10:11:20 PM PDT by thegreatbeast
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To: garbageseeker
Not even U.N. will force them to do so...

"Israelites... Fire At Will."

14 posted on 08/13/2006 10:17:11 PM PDT by ChristianDefender (Never Give Your Enemy (ROP) A Foothold.)
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To: garbageseeker

Stay tuned for the next chapter in this serial, oh, in about 6 months.


15 posted on 08/13/2006 10:25:25 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: garbageseeker
A cease fire is a JOKE!!! HEAR that France, Bush & the U.N. Just giving Hez & the Iranians time to regroup! When will the U.S. wake up, rather our leaders in Washington????

I say, Git Her Done, Israel! They've got more balls than our government!

16 posted on 08/13/2006 10:28:02 PM PDT by blondee123
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To: garbageseeker
That is violation of 1559 and probably this cease fire, so I guess Israel gets to battle and keep more real estate as a payment for security.
17 posted on 08/13/2006 10:28:11 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: garbageseeker
Ring their capitol with artillery.

Viva Sharon!

18 posted on 08/13/2006 10:29:52 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: garbageseeker

Gee, I guess everything will just work itself out, huh? The Hezbos will leave south Lebanon when the lezbos leave San Francisco.


19 posted on 08/13/2006 10:31:24 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: garbageseeker

Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon is surrounded with it's supply lines cut. To get out Hezbollah will have to either fight their way out against a modern Army or walk out unarmed.


20 posted on 08/13/2006 10:34:50 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (I'll have the duck with mango salsa.)
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To: Enchante
There will never be "peace" nor any real "peace process" as long as the Hezbo-terrorists are running the show in Lebanon.

If Israel commits itself to "wipe those terrorist vermin off the face of the earth", they would have to be willing to kill civilians, also. It wouldn't be the first time in history.

Establishing peace in the WHOLE Middle East is something we'd all like to see, but what inkling of hope have we gotten so far that this is achievable?

21 posted on 08/13/2006 10:35:53 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: garbageseeker

Everyone agreed, then Hezbollah backed out, then Lebanon backed out, and it's Israel's fault. Right.


22 posted on 08/13/2006 10:37:24 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: garbageseeker

Israel should unilaterally declare Hezbollah to be its own country, declare war on it, and annex it. And when Lebanon complains, Israel can point to Lebanon's own voluntary surrender of its sovereignty over those areas.


23 posted on 08/13/2006 10:37:59 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: doug from upland
''The Hezbos will leave South Lebanon when the Lezbos leave San Francisco! ROTF!
24 posted on 08/13/2006 10:42:20 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: garbageseeker

This would seem to place Israel in a strong position.

They have moved their forward line to the Litani. The cease fire requires Hezbollah to cease firing rockets into Israel. However Israel is within the letter of the agreement if they consolidate their position behind forward lines because they are only constrained from taking offensive action. This allows them to liquidate Hezbollah south of the Litani with impunity as far as the resolution is concerned.

If Lebanon refuses to move in the 15,000 troops, Israel can either sit on its markers with Hezbollah largely removed and unable to fire rockets at Israel (unless they flagrantly break the agreement) or claim a violation by Lebanon and resume operations at will.

All this is a result of the assymetry in the language of the agreement (Israel to cease offensive operations, Hezbollah to cease fire), and the proviso that Israel did not have to withdraw until the replacement troops arrived.

It seems to me to be rather ingenious unless you are Hezbollah, which may explain why they are balking at compliance already.


25 posted on 08/13/2006 10:47:47 PM PDT by Da Mav
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To: Bush gal in LA

26 posted on 08/13/2006 10:51:57 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: garbageseeker

>He claimed that Hizbullah would independently be responsible for leaving south Lebanon.

Yeay, sure. They're all going on a 8 day / 7 night cruise to the Bahamas!


27 posted on 08/13/2006 10:54:38 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: garbageseeker

Israel will do nothing. The "kick me" sign is now going to adorn the Israeli national attire. All in the mistaken effort to prove how responsible and fair Israel can be.


28 posted on 08/13/2006 11:02:51 PM PDT by zarf
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To: garbageseeker

Then he's effectively surrendering his country to a militia.


29 posted on 08/13/2006 11:07:29 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Da Mav

Will Israel tighten the circle like rounding up cattle?


30 posted on 08/13/2006 11:09:43 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt

I have no idea what Israel will do, especially after the last month. But it seems they have the opportunity, within the terms of the cease fire, to continue operations against Hez south of the Litani. If the cease fire holds, then they can do so without the considerable distraction of rockets raining down on Israel.

I'm not familiar with the details of the deployment so I don't know if it would act like a noose, or just digging out intact bunkers scattered across the landscape.


31 posted on 08/13/2006 11:17:30 PM PDT by Da Mav
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To: garbageseeker
More from Lebanon. It seems that there is active support for Hezbollah at the highest levels of the Lebanese government.

.The Jerusalem Post Internet Edition

Hizbullah refuses to disarm in south



A Lebanese cabinet minister said on Monday that the Lebanese army would not deploy in southen Lebanon if Hizbullah retains its weapons.

"The army will not deploy in the south unless there are no arms in the south except those of a legitimate military force and UNIFIL," the minister said.

Hizbullah, however, has resisted calls to disarm and its refusal to follow through this time threatened the deal.

A critical Lebanese Cabinet meeting set for Sunday to discuss implementation of the cease-fire between Israel and Hizbullah was postponed, a move that was likely to delay the dispatch of the Lebanese army to the south and an end of the fighting.

A top aide to Prime Minister Fuad Saniora said the meeting had been indefinitely postponed but would give no reason. Published reports said the Cabinet, which approved the cease-fire unanimously Saturday night, had been sharply divided over demands in the cease-fire agreement that Hizbullah surrender its weapons in south Lebanon.

That disagreement was believed to have led to the cancellation of Sunday's meeting.

The deployment of the Lebanese army along Israel's border, along with an equal number of UN forces, was a cornerstone of the resolution passed Friday by the UN Security Council to end the monthlong war/ The forces were to create a Hizbullah-free zone, from the Israel-Lebanon border to Lebanon's Litani River, some 30 kilometers (18 miles from the border).

Lebanon's Cabinet unanimously accepted the UN cease-fire plan to halt fighting between Israel and Hizbullah fighters late Saturday, moving the deal a step closer to implementation, the prime minister said.

"It was a unanimous decision, with some reservations," Prime Minister Fuad Saniora said in announcing Lebanon's acceptance of the resolution after a four-hour Cabinet meeting.

Cease-fire analysis: Not so bad in theory

Hizbullah's Mohammed Fneish, minister of hydraulic resources, said the two Hizbullah members expressed reservations, particularly over an article in the resolution that "gives the impression that it exonerates Israel of responsibility for the crimes" and blames Hizbullah for the month-long war.

"We will deal with the requirements of the resolution with realism in a way that serves the national interest."

Hours before the vote, Lebanon's prime minister said the plan to end fighting between Israel and Hizbullah served his country's interests.

Fuad Saniora signaled that his Cabinet would approve the plan when it met later Saturday.

"This resolution shows that the whole world stood by Lebanon," he told reporters.

The UN resolution, unanimously adopted in the Security Council, calls deployment of 15,000 Lebanese soldiers along the Israeli border with an equal number of UN peacekeepers. That force would stand between Israeli forces and Hizbullah as Israel withdraws completely from the south of the country and Hizbullah ceases all military activity.

Praising Hizbullah guerrillas, the prime minister said, "The steadfastness of the resistance fighters in the field was very important, as was the steadfastness and unity of the people," he said.

The Cabinet was to meet at 5 p.m. to vote on accepting the UN plan, which was written by the United States and France.



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32 posted on 08/13/2006 11:19:39 PM PDT by Covenantor
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To: garbageseeker
Can the US military play now? I'm sure the IDF would love some AC-130 air support.
33 posted on 08/13/2006 11:21:28 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: claudiustg

Or smoking something.


34 posted on 08/13/2006 11:25:52 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Wars may be fought by weapons, but they are won by men. -General George Patton)
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To: 1066AD

It seems that way.


35 posted on 08/13/2006 11:26:37 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Wars may be fought by weapons, but they are won by men. -General George Patton)
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To: A CA Guy

I agree that this gives Israel to continue the fight. I heard the Lebanese government has put off the meeting to end the fighting.


36 posted on 08/13/2006 11:27:51 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Wars may be fought by weapons, but they are won by men. -General George Patton)
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To: Da Mav
This would seem to place Israel in a strong position. They have moved their forward line to the Litani. The cease fire requires Hezbollah to cease firing rockets into Israel. However Israel is within the letter of the agreement if they consolidate their position behind forward lines because they are only constrained from taking offensive action. This allows them to liquidate Hezbollah south of the Litani with impunity as far as the resolution is concerned. If Lebanon refuses to move in the 15,000 troops, Israel can either sit on its markers with Hezbollah largely removed and unable to fire rockets at Israel (unless they flagrantly break the agreement) or claim a violation by Lebanon and resume operations at will.

I hope that Israel will continue the fight all the way to Beirut.
37 posted on 08/13/2006 11:29:39 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Wars may be fought by weapons, but they are won by men. -General George Patton)
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To: Mike Darancette
Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon is surrounded with it's supply lines cut

Their spply lines may be cut but they still have enough ammunition,food and water in those underground bunkers in Southern Lebanon. That is why the IDF needs to destroy them. In addition, they are still getting supplies from the back trails of Lebanon.
38 posted on 08/13/2006 11:31:55 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Wars may be fought by weapons, but they are won by men. -General George Patton)
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To: Mike Darancette






The bottom map represents where the reamaments are flowing through to Hezbollah. The Israelis capturing the Litani will cut off their reinforcements. That is the reason why the Israelis want to get to the Litani River

Thanks Statfor.com and Washington Post for maps.
39 posted on 08/13/2006 11:38:03 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Wars may be fought by weapons, but they are won by men. -General George Patton)
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To: blondee123

I agree.


40 posted on 08/13/2006 11:39:48 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Wars may be fought by weapons, but they are won by men. -General George Patton)
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To: DTogo

bump


41 posted on 08/13/2006 11:42:14 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Wars may be fought by weapons, but they are won by men. -General George Patton)
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To: Covenantor
More from Lebanon. It seems that there is active support for Hezbollah at the highest levels of the Lebanese government

There are members of Hezbollah is the Prime Minister's office. The PM of Leabanon has no intention what so ever to stop Hizbollah. That is why the Israelis need to capture Beirut.
42 posted on 08/13/2006 11:44:35 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Wars may be fought by weapons, but they are won by men. -General George Patton)
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To: Covenantor

BTW: Thanks for the aricle!!


43 posted on 08/13/2006 11:49:01 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Wars may be fought by weapons, but they are won by men. -General George Patton)
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To: Mike Darancette

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525864438&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


44 posted on 08/14/2006 12:23:10 AM PDT by garbageseeker (Wars may be fought by weapons, but they are won by men. -General George Patton)
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To: garbageseeker

Amen. I hope they go all the way to Damascus, and with our help and God's to Teheran.


45 posted on 08/14/2006 12:37:25 AM PDT by Da Mav
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To: garbageseeker
Israel insisted on destroying the essence of Lebanon

If only. The place smells of garlic and feet.

46 posted on 08/14/2006 3:09:53 AM PDT by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
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To: claudiustg
They will only be rational when they are defeated and that means a very, very bloody un-PC war. Lebanon has just showed their hand and their allies are not the peaceful world. It is a shame that the pictures we saw of Lebanese celebrating in the streets a few months ago are now being 'occupied' by a terrorist regime. They have chosen to lay down with the dogs.

Pray that a lamp my be brought to them to light their feet.
47 posted on 08/14/2006 3:37:39 AM PDT by EBH (Islam: A government ruled by or subject to religious authority.)
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To: GSlob

Well, if hezbolla is the essence of lebanon, then the whole lebanon needs to be destroyed together with such essence.==

Exactly. Hezzies are definitely the core of Lebanon. Same as whole Middle East.

Accually Hezzies are moderate. Compare to Hamas for example.
Hezzies are not blow themselves up in population gatherings.


48 posted on 08/14/2006 4:15:41 AM PDT by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: garbageseeker
Lebanon will not force Hizbullah to withdraw

And, this is a surprise to whom?
49 posted on 08/14/2006 4:19:50 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment

What is Hez resisting? the state of Israel.


50 posted on 08/14/2006 6:23:55 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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