Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Army can't disarm Hezbollah fighters (Hezzies won't admit defeat)
Australian ^ | August 15, 2006 | Daniel McGrory

Posted on 08/14/2006 9:35:37 AM PDT by epluribus_2

IT was supposed to be the day the maligned Lebanese army took control of the country's borders and policed the UN ceasefire. Instead, the military commanders were left humiliated and troops stranded as Hezbollah told them not to disarm its fighters.

The first infantry units were preparing to head south when Hezbollah showed who controls the area by announcing it would not surrender its weapons.

General Michel Sleiman, commander-in-chief of the Lebanese army, and his lieutenants had been invited to join cabinet meetings to finalise plans to deploy the 15,000-strong force south of the Litani River.

But they were lectured by Hezbollah's two ministers in the coalition Government on what the army could and could not do.

In Beirut, Western diplomats said the standoff raised concerns about the army's ability to deal with Hezbollah. The Lebanese Government is left struggling to maintain a united front after unanimously backing the UN resolution on Saturday.

"The Government can't force Hezbollah to abide by the ceasefire," Economics Minister Sami Haddad said.

"It's unnatural to have an armed political party in cabinet that does not abide by what the Government of Lebanon wants."

Nabih Berri, the Speaker of the Lebanese parliament and the Shia politician best placed to negotiate with Hezbollah, asked for 48 hours to broker a deal.

The standoff came after Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said his fighters would respect the ceasefire, describing the deployment of Lebanese and foreign troops to the south as "an honourable move".

But without Lebanese troops or the planned international force in the intended demilitarised zone, there is little prospect of the ceasefire holding.

There were optimistic murmurs about trying to integrate Hezbollah fighters into the army. But Hezbollah seems to have decided that the demand for its fighters to disarm and leave the 20km arms-free zone would show it as losers in the conflict.

The army has lost 20 men in the Israeli assault, despite not firing a shot. Two more soldiers were wounded on Sunday near the Syrian border when an Israeli airstrike hit their vehicle.

Defence Minister Elias Murr said in the early days of the war: "We will defend our land until the last soldier, and we will pay any price for our land."

But troops retreated to their barracks or lounged on armoured vehicles in a token effort to police checkpoints around the capital or protect key buildings.

Elias Hanna, a retired Lebanese general, said: "Sending 15,000 troops south is a political solution, not a military one. It's more a PR stunt. The army needs the international force to help it.

"The key objective is to keep the army united and not have it split on factional lines, as it did in the civil war."

The army's equipment is poor, and no match for the Israelis. Lebanon has no air force or navy.

One soldier said Hezbollah was better armed and organised, and that he was reluctant to confront "the resistance fighters".

Another soldier said his brother and a cousin were fighting for Hezbollah. "I can't turn a gun on the resistance, because they are family," he said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; disarm; hezzies; losers
But Hezbollah seems to have decided that the demand for its fighters to disarm and leave the 20km arms-free zone would show it as losers in the conflict.

Bingo! - condition of US agreement, IMHO.

1 posted on 08/14/2006 9:35:37 AM PDT by epluribus_2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2
Another soldier said his brother and a cousin were fighting for Hezbollah. "I can't turn a gun on the resistance, because they are family," he said.

He has plainly indicated his allegiance.

2 posted on 08/14/2006 9:38:29 AM PDT by polymuser (There is one enemy and one war.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2

The Hezzies are not honoring the agreement?!?

Well knock me over with a feather!


3 posted on 08/14/2006 9:39:40 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up two (2) seats in the Senate and four (4) seats in the House in 2006)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gridlock

This is a farse.


4 posted on 08/14/2006 9:40:51 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: polymuser

So, when does the Lebanese army roll in, in its cardboard tanks armed with exploding tennis balls? Man, they're a tough bunch!


5 posted on 08/14/2006 9:41:10 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." - Douglas MacArthur)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

Comment #6 Removed by Moderator

To: epluribus_2

This is what happens when Israel's just requirements for a ceasefire are negotiated with Hizbullah's unjust requirements that will allow them to continue to make war.


7 posted on 08/14/2006 9:43:07 AM PDT by Battleofbritain (")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2

The Hezzies are crowing about how they defeated the IDF. The Israels pols need to turn loose the IDF to prevent this fight from being their Vietnam.


8 posted on 08/14/2006 9:43:41 AM PDT by Edgerunner (The greatest impediment to world peace is the UN and the Peaceniks)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2

"Hezbollah showed who controls the area by announcing it would not surrender its weapons."

I'll say it: Israel, then, has the right to disarm Hezbollah by force. Your turn, IDF!


9 posted on 08/14/2006 9:43:48 AM PDT by RoadTest (Secure our borders, not our marines.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2

I heard Tammy Bruce(she is subbing for Laura Ingraham)perfectly characterize this as"A Cease Fire In Our Time"(obvious allusion to Mr.Chamberlain)!!!!!!!


10 posted on 08/14/2006 9:43:54 AM PDT by bandleader
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Eric in the Ozarks

which is far worse than a farce...


11 posted on 08/14/2006 9:44:15 AM PDT by epluribus_2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

Comment #12 Removed by Moderator

To: epluribus_2

If the Lebanese were smart and really wanted a terror free country they would unite with israel and drive this cancer from their country. Then Israel would return to pre-war lines and the Lebanese could get on with their lives. Lebanon isnt smart. If Syria didnt like it, They could be handled too.


13 posted on 08/14/2006 9:45:37 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Individual Rights in NJ

I can't believe the Israeli cabinet went for this cease fire deal. It mitigates or erases much of the progress the IDF has made in the past month.

I wonder how long before it(the case fire) blows up?


14 posted on 08/14/2006 9:45:47 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." - Douglas MacArthur)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2

Got me.


15 posted on 08/14/2006 9:45:54 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: RexBeach

case fire s/b cease fire.


16 posted on 08/14/2006 9:46:32 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." - Douglas MacArthur)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2

"Defence Minister Elias Murr said in the early days of the war: "We will defend our land until the last soldier, and we will pay any price for our land."

But troops retreated to their barracks or lounged on armoured vehicles in a token effort to police checkpoints around the capital or protect key buildings.

Elias Hanna, a retired Lebanese general, said: "Sending 15,000 troops south is a political solution, not a military one. It's more a PR stunt. The army needs the international force to help it.

"The key objective is to keep the army united and not have it split on factional lines, as it did in the civil war."

The army's equipment is poor, and no match for the Israelis. Lebanon has no air force or navy.

One soldier said Hezbollah was better armed and organised, and that he was reluctant to confront "the resistance fighters"



This cease-fire isn't 24 hours old and we're already seeing what an absolute joke it was from the gitgo. Israel had to realize this. I'm guessing Olmert will be replaced in the not too distant future with someone who will show a little more resolve during the next round.


17 posted on 08/14/2006 9:48:05 AM PDT by bereanway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: polymuser
It's time to end the cease fire and pound the Hezzies into the ground. This is ridiculous when a terrorist group takes the control of a country and then out of principle doesn't care about the Lebanese people or their infrastructure.
18 posted on 08/14/2006 9:48:23 AM PDT by herkbird (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2

I think Bush/Condi were expecting just this situation....they have effectively focused the spotlight on the problem. Everyone is for supporting the ceasefire conditions except for the ones crying the loudest for it.

There can be little doubt that Israel's concerns are justified and that they can be given a free hand to do what needs to be done to extinguish this threat to their citizens.


19 posted on 08/14/2006 9:49:55 AM PDT by GLH3IL (What's good for America is bad for liberals.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: polymuser
Another soldier said his brother and a cousin were fighting for Hezbollah. "I can't turn a gun on the resistance, because they are family,"

He has plainly indicated his allegiance.

That's the global Muslim attitude.

Moderate Muslims are those that haven't yet set off explosives.

20 posted on 08/14/2006 9:51:55 AM PDT by Covenantor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: RoadTest
I'll say it: Israel, then, has the right to disarm Hezbollah by force. Your turn, IDF!

One can hope this is the response anticipated by W/Rice/Olhmert after Lebanon was given and blew this chance.

21 posted on 08/14/2006 9:53:59 AM PDT by polymuser (There is one enemy and one war.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2

There is no cease fire. There was never intended to be a cease fire. The US and Israel played the diplomacy card perfectly.

Hezbollah is now isolated internationally and fair game once again. They had a few days of rest and resupply but that's now over. Go IDF!


22 posted on 08/14/2006 10:00:09 AM PDT by telebob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: telebob

Resupply can also be interpreted as violating the ceasefire, as far as the heZI's are concerned.


23 posted on 08/14/2006 10:01:33 AM PDT by epluribus_2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2

The ceasefire is a joke and every body knows it. I will give it 48 hours before all hell breaks lose.


24 posted on 08/14/2006 10:02:33 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2
The first infantry units were preparing to head south when Hezbollah showed who controls the area by announcing it would not surrender its weapons.

These guys are too stupid by half. They're supposed to take advantage of the hudna to regroup, then attack. This will give Israel the cover it needs to finish the job.

25 posted on 08/14/2006 10:06:14 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: telebob

>>There is no cease fire. There was never intended to be a cease fire. The US and Israel played the diplomacy card perfectly.

Hezbollah is now isolated internationally and fair game once again. They had a few days of rest and resupply but that's now over. Go IDF!<<

This is exactly how I see this. It is the way Israel has played this since they gave up Gaza and gave hamas enough rope to hang themselves.

The next two weeks will be "interesting", as in the Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."


26 posted on 08/14/2006 10:07:45 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is more dangerous to the world now that Naziism was in 1937.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: RexBeach

I can't either. Its time to bring Netanyahu back into power. He would have kicked the crap out of them. What's worse, is that the soldiers were not recovered. And not Israel is talking prisoner swap, which is what they wanted in the first place. Prisoner swaps just lead to more kidnappings.


27 posted on 08/14/2006 10:17:43 AM PDT by ritewingwarrior (Where does free speech end, and sedition begin?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

Comment #28 Removed by Moderator

To: epluribus_2

Should be the shortest ceasefire in the history of warfare.


29 posted on 08/14/2006 10:22:33 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2

Why should the Hizbus surrender? What can they surrender? So long as they have their tunnels and stash of Hershey bars they can sit tight. They have nothing to lose, not even their room reservations in hell.


30 posted on 08/14/2006 10:22:37 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2
This is predictable. Even if the French eventually arrive, I doubt they'll take on the Hezzies, either.
31 posted on 08/14/2006 10:25:55 AM PDT by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2
If the HisB'allah don't give up their weapons, (and they won't), the UN will be shown as absolutely worthless, and completely powerless.

The IDF, Bush, Bolton and Rice knows this, and are maneuvering for the resumption of combat. The French and the UN have been finessed into a corner, checked, with two moves to checkmate. "We played by your rules, and look what happened!"

Within the next two weeks, some raghead bozo is going to launch a rocket, and the IDF will have absolutely no reason to hold back. The UN, proven toothless, may well collapse, although it won't be right away. As I recall, even the League of Nations limped on 'til after the end of WW2, finally voting itself out of existance in 1946.

32 posted on 08/14/2006 10:29:21 AM PDT by jonascord ("Let 'em burn!...")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RobRoy
Good analysis. I also believe that the IDF is securing their defenses and bring up supplies in preparation for the cease fire ending. The IDF will roll out of their forward positions with a renewed strenght and secure supply lines.
33 posted on 08/14/2006 10:52:30 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: 2001convSVT

>>The IDF will roll out of their forward positions with a renewed strenght and secure supply lines.<<

Heh, heh. And I believe the Hezzies supply lines are a little less, shall we say, "robust" than they were a couple of months ago.


34 posted on 08/14/2006 11:13:18 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is more dangerous to the world now that Naziism was in 1937.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2

Perhaps they're taking their lines from Charlton Heston - "from my cold dead hands!"


35 posted on 08/14/2006 11:50:46 AM PDT by glorgau
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sgtbono2002
you are absolutely right sgt. I now know what hopping mad feels like. Bush let us down as far as I'm concerned. And there is no negotiating with Hezbolla they are still intact and are still and will be armed until Bush turns Israel loose. In defense of the President who I support maybe he knew all along Hez would not submit and the treaty will be off. Israel has that country by the goncho's and they can bring the U.N. France and all the other anti American trash to their feet if only Bush says "sick em."
36 posted on 08/14/2006 6:12:21 PM PDT by bigborepistols
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: bigborepistols

never thought that this might be a plan to show how useless the UN is. I have thought that way for a long time. but if it is, hopefully Israel will drop the hammer on the hezzies


37 posted on 08/15/2006 8:34:17 AM PDT by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: epluribus_2

Um, if the hezbos lost, why are Malkin, Podhoretz at NRO, Dan Riehl, Goldstein, Atlas Shrugged, etc saying the US and Israel lost and failed?


38 posted on 08/15/2006 8:38:30 AM PDT by Truth-The Anti Spin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: thehumanlynx

The most likely scenario has Israel saying that its troops along the Litani will return directly to Israel. Along the way, they will encircle and disarm Hizbollah.

The Lebanese and UN troops will occupy the territory behind them as they advance back to the border.

Hizbollah will have no place to run to. They will be squeezed to death.


39 posted on 08/15/2006 8:43:55 AM PDT by BillM
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: BillM

Israel will gladly withdraw, in their wake will be token Leb soldiers with unloaded sidearms while hezzies do the AK-47 happy dance and parade shiny syrian and persian missles. The french may not even show up.


40 posted on 08/15/2006 9:01:08 AM PDT by epluribus_2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson