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Posted on 08/14/2006 3:24:50 PM PDT by neverdem
If ever a law was designed as a get-out-of-jail-free card for the trigger-happy gun owner, its one that comes to us via the gun lobby and the State of Florida. The law, passed in the last year in 15 states and being considered in eight others, allows the extraordinary use of deadly force when a person simply doesnt want to back away from a confrontation.
There are legitimate kill-or-be-killed situations, but those are defensible in court already. There seems little reason to legally enshrine the right to maim or kill in response to a perceived threat. These laws do just that, and already a creepy picture of Death Wish-style justice is emerging.
In one case, a retired police officer shot twice and seriously wounded an apparently unarmed neighbor who had knocked on his door in a dispute over the number of garbage bags put out for collection. The shooter will remain free as long as his self-defense argument holds, and it well may.
The contorted logic of these laws reverses the notions that favored flight over fight and held deadly force to be a last resort. The Florida law holds that a crime victim may stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary. To defend homes and vehicles, an owner can wield lethal force with a freedom not granted to the police.
Redefining lethal force is bad enough, but it also comes with near-automatic immunity from prosecution and civil lawsuits. Floridas law is a sick cousin of the work of the gun lobby on Capitol Hill, where it has successfully protected the interstate traffickers of guns used in crimes. And it is the evil twin of laws passed in 38 states that allow concealed weapons.
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I think they're yapping about disclosing traces of the ATF, IMHO.
This crap from the NYT is consistent with their cut and run philosophy concernimg Iraq.
Does this mean that the New York Slimes and Rino Bloomberg will never move to Florida as a result of this law?
I would say that is definitely to the benefit of the Sunshine State.
As a future fireamrm owner, I very nmuch resent this characterization of me as a "trigger happy yahoo". I'm only like that on certain occasions, like around the NYTimes head office. See, that makes me a very responsible gun owner.
Sixty years ago, this POS rag hut would be downsized by the chair.
Future firearm owner? Why not now?
And they want Hillary for President (shudder)...
great tagline, amazing how far the field has shifted, unfortunately.
Written by a butt happy bitemunch.
"...neighbor who had knocked on his door in a dispute over the number of garbage bags..."
'scuse me, mind yer own damn business. It's between the too-many-bags-guy and the waste hauler.
Some people think it's their right to stick their nose into everyone else's lives. You shouldn't get shot for it, but why tempt fate?
Why is it such a terrible thing when the pro-rights crowd actually wins one?
Not exactly. In most states, "make my day" laws harmonize burden of proof in self defense cases with all other crimes one might be accused of, on the state, as it should be. When a state makes a special rule to change procedure for a specific crime, it's up to them to justify why it would be different, not up to the people to justify why it should be the same as every other crime.
Well, DUH! We're talking about a homeowner here, why WOULDN'T a member of the public have more latitude than one of their employees?
No, what they meant to say was "The New York Times is a sick cousin of the yellow-journalism tabloids that they used to ridicule in journalism school - its main goal is to successfully protect and advance the cause of criminals and traitors"...
allows the extraordinary use of deadly force when a person simply doesnt want to back away from a confrontation.
If you are attacked the NY TIMES believes you should be arrested for fighting back. Sure sounds like it, this ain't the UK!!
Still a college student + money is tight.
Thanks. The problem with us conservatives is that we shoot our own quite often. When the left does it, it makes sense because they are purging those who are not 100% committed to form a stronger cartel. Thus they are making themselves stronger. Although we are nowhere near as fascistic or fanatical in our ideology, we tend to shoot the good guys too often. And instead of making us stronger aka the Demontraitors, we become weaker.
SSSHHHHHHHH don't say that too loud or they will for sure put an end to such logical law.
Thanks for the alert. I thought I was prepared, but I'm suddenly feeling this urge to hug the porcelain. I won't be reading the full article.
The NYSlimes should have itself patented as a purgative.
It's easy. Just takes a few simple steps.
- Decide why you want a firearm
- Join the NRA
- Take a firearms safety class
- Go to the range with an experienced shooter
- Understand the differences between rifles, shotguns, revolvers, and pistols.
- Decide what weapon is appropriate for your purpose (caliber, nightstand vs. carry, weight, recoil, alloy vs. all steel).
- Ask a gazillion questions (there's a bunch of us here on FR who can help you).
- Make the firearms purchase and don't forget several hundred rounds of practice ammo
- Practice, practice, practice.
Owning a gun is not like a set of steak knives in the drawer. Know your gun and... keep it CLEAN.
Here is my obligatory pic of my Sig P226 in 9 mm. Very simple and very reliable due to its simplicity.
Remeber, Glocks are Good, but Sigs are Supreme.
I had my Dad by me my first gun at 14 with my paper rout money. A .22 single shot hand cocking Savage. I got to use it one weekend a year when we went to my uncle's farm in CT. Couldn't use it at home as we lived in NYC.
If you want it bad enough, you can get it.
What kind of gun is it?
Thanks for the help. Hopefully that day will come soon. I always liked Glocks because of their unique design.
I like Glocks but they are too light, causing too much recoil which translates to pain. See my discussion points. Glocks are more complicated as well.
Thanks for the tip. They are still massively cool. I guess I'll try to compensate.
I like Glocks a lot. But not because they are cool.
My wife likes her gun because it is light, reliable. easy to use, acceptable recoil, and looks nice.
That IS a nice little purse-piece.
They do say that kind words and a .45 will get the job done faster than kind words alone...
It was a rifle. As I said, a single shot .22. In thinking about it later, I realized that I bought it when I was 12, not 14. (Hey, it was a loooong time ago) I had to have my Dad get it because I was too young to purchase it, though it was my money. I gave it to my oldest niece about 20-25 years ago for her first gun. Very safe, good first gun.
I've got shotguns and rifles but have been thinking of getting a pistol for the house. I've been thinking of a .38 snub nosed revolver as it will probably spend most of its time in/on the nightstand gathering dust. Any thoughts?
I'll admit, I'm kind of shallow in that regards. I saw the boxy style that separates it from other pistols and like that uniqueness. The barrel of most pistols are similar to the one your wife is using and I admired the unique design. :D
Ooooh...gun porn! I like that one!
Your best bet is to join a club and talk to the range master. The other shooters will be more than happy to let you fire their toys. Keep in mind, most of us have strong preferences as to why they like their gun best. And that's terrific.
The advice from other posters is good. I strongly urge you to follow their advice. :)
Thanks. I like all kinds of guns but the ones I really have an affinity for are the Western ones, especailly the good old USA. Despite performance problems, as the workhorse of the US military, I always admired the Armalite class of rifles. HEckler and Koch is another favorite especailly the MPs. Not to knock Russian and Israeli engineering, their AKs and Galils also does the trick well, respectively.
Gracias. That's one of the reasons I love FR. So many experts. Lost counts of how many times I read an article and thought to myself "Alright, what do the experts think?"
If you're considering a .38 Special you might as well purchase a .357 Magnum and have the flexibility to use either cartridge. Use the revolver only if you don't have the time to summon the shotgun to duty or if you're using it to answer an unexpected knock at the front door.
To keep this thread on point, the author of the story is a Nervous Nellie attempting to offer solutions for a problem that doesn't exist. The residents of states like Florida have shown remarkable restraint in their use of deadly force. He is lying in an attempt to "make" a story.
~ Blue Jays ~
If you like guns, why don't you have any?
Oh, they didn't MISS it, they just deliberately didn't pass the fact on.
Rush always points out how the MSM always reports only what fits the (fabricated) action line, no contradicting facts are published.
Killborn is still a student and doesn't quite have the budget for firearms right now. There is more detail in the rest of the thread.
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For the same amount of money, you can get a .357 which can shoot both .38 and .357. This way you always have the option of shooting a hotter load. Personally, I like a 4" bbl for more accuracy and increased velocity. A wheel gun is a great choice for supreme reliability.
Thanks. This would be for in house defense only, so distance would be 25' or less. Anything outside, it's the 12ga semi, salt in the chamber and alternating shot and pumpkinball afterward. :)