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Write the White House, Protest the Cease Fire. Tell Bush what you think about Israel Losing!
www.whitehouse.gov ^ | Augest 14 2006 | myself

Posted on 08/14/2006 3:32:10 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav

Write the president and tell him this cease fire brought on by his administration is just another attempt to appease the terrorist. Terrorist win yet again. Iran is still trumping around in Lebanon, the UN with no real authority has no real powers to disarm hezbollah who has NOT agreed to disarm. Iran still has agents in Iraq running death squads and terror cells. Muqtada-AL-Sadr being the most famous one. When will the US buckle up and do what finally needs to be done instead of worry about oil prices? We all know what this cease fire will bring. Take action and write the president and tell him what you think of this balony BS move of his. STAND BY ISRAEL

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1 posted on 08/14/2006 3:32:11 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: Btrp113Cav

Look...Olmert didn't want to fight to WIN!! How is that Bush's fault!! Olmert and his Minister are Huge Lefties...Lefties NEVER fight to WIN unless it's their POLITICAL enemies they want to destroy....REAL enemies they can't deal with...it's SICKENING to see Israel so WEAK because they ELECTED OLMERT!!!


2 posted on 08/14/2006 3:34:30 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Btrp113Cav

Maybe you should complain to the Israelis, they did vote in favor of accepting the cease fire agreement.


3 posted on 08/14/2006 3:34:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Btrp113Cav

Wouldn't that be better directed at Ehud Olmert? Not that I think he would give a dang if you did.


4 posted on 08/14/2006 3:35:22 PM PDT by ndt
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To: Btrp113Cav

Calm down.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather see Hezbullah crushed to dust, but IMHO the cease-fire is not unalloyed Bad News for Israel, nor is it IMHO any sort of betrayal by the Bush Administration, which to my eye herded the primping fops of the UN in an artful manner to give Israel enough time to emasculate Hezbullah and regain the buffer territory Barak had unwisely given away.

Consider the following three items, the last a satirical thing on an Egyptian's blog.




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http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=9025

Peres: the agreement is good for Israel

Deputy Prime Minster Shimon Peres said yesterday that UN Security Council resolution 1701 was "very good for Israel and takes a firm stance against Hizballah’s terrorist aggression and gives Israel full support, including recognition of its force and military capabilities."

"Hizballah started this conflict in full power and ends it with the entire world against them seeing their weaknesses and limitations, whereas Israel has acted from the beginning with only limited force without realizing its full military force," he said.

Peres added that on Friday afternoon, the draft proposal was transformed from a stammered document to a positive document with real diplomatic power and international recognition in Israel's demands and rights. Without the military pressure we would have not reached a diplomatic solution, and without the diplomatic solution, there would have been no point for the military pressure."

Peres expressed his appreciation for the Prime Minister who managed the crisis and said that we were able to block an effort in the UN to de-legitimize Israel. We managed to turn things around and the resolution which was adopted gives Israel legitimacy with the support of the Lebanese government and the Arab League. This is the maximum we can get from the UN," said Peres.

Peres added that the Security Council Resolution gives authority back to the Lebanese government, stops the supply of arms to the Hizballah, pushes them away from the border, brings 30,000 troops to the area and calls for the immediate release of the kidnapped soldiers.





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http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1201


Tehran Takes Gloomy View of the Lebanon War and Truce


August 14, 2006, 3:35 PM (GMT+02:00)

While the damage caused Israel’s military reputation tops Western assessments of the Lebanon war, DEBKAfile’s Iranian sources report an entirely different perception taking hold in ruling circles in Tehran.

After UN Security Council resolution 1701 calling for a truce was carried Friday, Aug. 11, the heads of the regime received two separate evaluations of the situation in Lebanon – one from Iran’s foreign ministry and one from its supreme national security council. Both were bleak: their compilers were concerned that Iran had been manipulatively robbed of its primary deterrent asset ahead of a probable nuclear confrontation with the United States and Israel.

While the foreign ministry report highlighted the negative aspects of the UN resolution, the council’s document complained that Hizballah squandered thousands of rockets – either by firing them into Israel or having them destroyed by the Israeli air force.

The writer of this report is furious over the waste of Iran’s most important military investment in Lebanon merely for the sake of a conflict with Israeli over two kidnapped soldiers.

It took Iran two decades to build up Hizballah’s rocket inventory.

DEBKAfile’s sources estimate that Hizballah’s adventure wiped out most of the vast sum of $4-6 bn the Iranian treasury sunk into building its military strength. The organization was meant to be strong and effective enough to provide Iran with a formidable deterrent to Israel embarking on a military operation to destroy the Islamic regime’s nuclear infrastructure.

To this end, Tehran bought the Israeli military doctrine of preferring to fight its wars on enemy soil. In the mid-1980s, Iran decided to act on this doctrine by coupling its nuclear development program with Israel’s encirclement and the weakening its deterrence strength. The Jewish state was identified at the time as the only country likely to take vigorous action to spike Iran’s nuclear aspirations.

The ayatollahs accordingly promoted Hizballah’s rise as a socio-political force in Lebanon, at the same time building up its military might and capabilities for inflicting damage of strategic dimensions to Israel’s infrastructure.

That effort was accelerated after Israeli forces withdrew from the Lebanese security zone in May 2000. A bunker network and chain of fortified positions were constructed, containing war rooms equipped with the finest western hi-tech gadgetry, including night vision gear, computers and electronics, as well as protective devices against bacteriological and chemical warfare.

This fortified network was designed for assault and defense alike.

Short- medium- and long-range rockets gave the hard edge to Hizballah’s ablity to conduct a destructive war against Israel and its civilians – when the time was right for Tehran.

Therefore, Iran’s rulers are hopping mad and deeply anxious over news of the huge damage sustained by Hizballah’s rocket inventory, which was proudly touted before the war as numbering 13,000 pieces.

Hizballah fighters, they are informed, managed to fire only a small number of Khaibar-1 rockets, most of which hit Haifa and Afula, while nearly 100 were destroyed or disabled by Israeli air strikes.

The long-range Zelzal-1 and Zelzal-2, designed for hitting Tel Aviv and the nuclear reactor at Dimona have been degraded even more. Iran sent over to Lebanon 50 of those missiles. The keys to the Zelzal stores stayed in the hands of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards officers who were in command of Hizballah. Nasrallah and his officers had no access to these stores.

But Tehran has learned that Israel was able to destroy most of the 22 Zelzal launchers provided.

That is not the end of the catalogue of misfortunes for the Islamic rulers of Iran.

1. The UN Security Council embodied in resolution 1701 a chapter requiring Hizballah to disarm – in the face of a stern warning issued by supreme ruler Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in person in the early days of the war. Revolutionary Guards commanders went so far as to boast: “No one alive is capable of disarming Hizballah.”

The disarming of Hizballah would therefore be a bad knock to the supreme ruler’s authority and prestige as well as a disastrous blow for the deterrent force so painstakingly and expensively fashioned as a second front line to protect the Islamic republic from a safe distance.

2. Hizballah’s ejection from South Lebanon, if accomplished in the aftermath of the ceasefire, would moreover deprive Tehran of the sword hanging over Israel’s head of instantaneous attack.

For the sake of partial damage control, Tehran handed Nasrallah a set of new instructions Sunday, Aug. 13:

First, to find a way of evading the ceasefire and keeping up war operations against Israeli forces.

Second, to reject the proposal to disarm before the Lebanese government meets on this Monday afternoon. In fact, that meeting was called off after Hassan Nasrallah sent a message to the Lebanese ministers flatly refusing to have Hizballah give up its weapons in the south. He also turned down a compromise proposal handed him later, whereby the Lebanese army’s first mission after deploying in the south would be to help Hizballah evacuate its fighters with their arms to positions north of the Litani River.

The strategy evolving in Tehran since the ceasefire went into effect Monday morning requires Hizballah to employ a range of stratagems – not only to prevent the truce from stabilizing but to stop the Lebanese army from deploying n the south and, above all, the entry of an effective international force.

Furthermore, Hizballah is instructed to stretch the military crisis into the next three of four months, synchronously with the timetable for a UN Security Council sanctions-wielding session on Iran.

According to exclusive reports reaching DEBKAfile’s sources, the Iranian government believes that Israel and the United States are preparing a military operation for the coming October and November to strike Iran’s nuclear installations. It is therefore vital to keep the two armies fully occupied with other pursuits.

Iranian leaders’ conviction that the Lebanon war was staged to bamboozle them rests on certain perceptions:

As seen from Tehran, Israel looked as though it was carrying out a warming-up exercise in preparation for its main action against Iran’s nuclear program. The Israeli army was able to explore, discover and correct its weak points, understand what was lacking and apply the necessary remedial measures. They therefore expect the IDF to emerge from the war having produced novel methods of warfare.

They also have no doubt that the United States will replenish Israel’s war chest with a substantial aid program of new and improved weaponry.

From the Iranian viewpoint, Israel succeeded in seriously degrading Hizballah’s capabilities. It was also able to throw the Lebanese Shiite militia to the wolves; the West is now in a position to force Nasrallah and his men to quit southern Lebanon and disarm. The West shut its eyes when he flouted the Resolution 1559 order for the disarmament of all Lebanese militias. But that game is over. The Americans will use Resolution 1701 as an effect weapon to squeeze Iran, denied of its second-front deterrence, on its nuclear program.

Tehran hopes to pre-empt the American move by torpedoing the Lebanon ceasefire and preventing the termination of hostilities at all costs.






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http://www.sandmonkey.org/2006/08/13/jumping-on-the-bandwagon

Jumping on the bandwagon

Dear Nasrallah,

I am writing you this letter because I owe you sir an apology: I didn't support you or your blessed organization when this conflict started. Hell, even before that. And for that, sir, I was wrong, and I apologize. From this day forward I am the biggest Hezbollah supporter, ever. I will wear those T-shirts, I will wave your yellow flag, and go to every pro Hezbollah rally and chant with the chanters. I am converted now. You made a believer out of me, with your victory over Israel, which totally destroyed the legend of the Israeli army, just like it was destroyed in 2000 and 73. what a fuckin resilient legend, huh? It's like the Freddy Kreuger of legends. Everytime you kill it, it just keeps coming back. This is why I urge you to destroy it once and for all this time around, and not accept the cease-fire agreement.

You see sir, we in Egypt accepted a cease-fire agreement once in 73, and that is why Israel still exists, as many nasserites and syrians have told me repeatedly. Had we not accepted the cease-fire and continued fighting, we would've eventually liberated all of palestine. But alas, that pussy Sadat and his concern over war cost, the mounting casualty rates and that second army in the Km 101 have cost us that victory. Never again. We should learn from our mistakes sir. Every Newspaper I read in the middle-east and every arab satalite news channel, especially yours, keeps informing me of how much Israelis you are killing, how few men you are losing and how you are accomplishing what no arab country has accomplished and are winning this war against Israel, and you know how the arab media never lies and always tells the truth. What I don't understand is this: if you are winning, why stop now? I say continue fighting, until, god willing, you destroy the accursed zionist entity and liberate Jersualem. I am sure that your army of 5000 fighters and your 10000 rockets can do it. I have faith in you, especially after all the victories you have achieved, like having the israeli army inside of Lebanon again, right where you want them of course, and having your neighborhood in Beirut destroyed, which saved you all the demolition costs it would've cost you for the Hezbollah Paradise Towers project, which will provide every shia family with a luxury High-rise apartment in a premium Bierut location. It was a fantastic business decision I must say. Die with envy Christians and sunnis. You didn't think of that, did ya?

Oh, those christians and sunnis and druze make me sick, with their "support" on one side and their pushing for cease-fire the other side. If they really supported You and Your party, they wouldn't even called for a cease-fire. Everyone knows you don't call for a cease-fire when you are so clearly winning. Those people are defeatists and possibly zionists agents, especially that Jumbalatt. He even looks like a jew, with his nose and his hair and his dislike of Syria. So what if they assassinated his father, huh? Is that enough reason for him to be such a freakin traitor? Hell NO. He should be the first on the butcher's block that one.

However, it is quite impossible that everybody who is calling for a cease-fire is a zionist traitor. I think the problem is that those people don't have any dignity, or at least have the wrong definition of dignity. Don't be hard on them, god knows I was one of them before I saw the light. I always thought the definition of dignity was that you have a good job, a decent house, could afford your kids a decent living in a peacefull country with a future. What american zionist propaganda. Dignity is getting attacked due to the actions of your leader, to the point of losing everything, and still refusing to hold that leader accountable. Dignity is having your entire neighborhood bombed, your children killed, and your only reaction is to dance in the streets like zulu warriors in support of Hezbollah. That's what dignity, pride and honor are all about. I get that now.

But we can help them get it too. Think about it: those people- cursed christian, sunnis and druze-who call for the cease-fire don't have dignity for a very good reason: Their houses are still standing. Hell, more than 80% of the country is still not destroyed. That's a lot of people without dignity oh great ayatollah Nasrallah, and we need to teach it to them. So please, for their own sake, continue bombing Israel from their villages and eventually those zionists will fall into your trap and bomb them as well, giving them instant dignity. Don't worry about any backlash on the short or long run. I mean, look at Nasser: He too entered wars against enemies far stronger than him, and caused the death of thousands of egyptians and the economic destruction of the country for decades to come. Do the people hate him? Noooooo. They love him, because he gave them dignity. Hell, your biggest supporters in Egypt keep comparing you to him, and they love you for reminding them of the dignity they feel whenever arabs die. Thank you for reminding them how it feels like to have dignity. Thank you.

And please, don't listen to those people who talk to you about the mounting lebanese civilian casualties due to Israeli bombing. Those people are idiots. First of all, you can't have an omlet without breaking some eggs. What? They thought liberating Palestine was going to be achieved with no people dying? Helloo, we have to kill 8 million jews to do it, and they are not big fans of getting killed. Deaths are inevitable. But, unlike them, our dead go to Heaven. Instant martyrs. Even the israeli muslims we kill are martyrs, as you said yourself. Those people are the same people who complained about the half a million iraqi children that died from malnutrition and lack of medicine from the sanctions imposed on the glorious regime of Saddam. They don't understand that Saddam gave them Dignity for breakfast, Honor for lunch and Pride for dinner as one Iraqi friend once told me, or that those half a million children are now playing in Heaven, after dying with the dignity that Saddam's rule gave them. But don't get mad at the ignorant my dear sir; they just don't know any better, since they don't understand dignity. Just like those arab leaders of ours, curse their names and faces.

Those so called leaders are all zionist american agents and have absolutely no dignity what so ever, as my nasserite friends have repeatedly told me. And you know what? They are right. A true arab leader, a leader with dignity, should immediatly go to war against Israel the moment they attempt to respond to your glorious and justified acts of resistance. Hell, they should throw all caution to the wind, not care about how unprepared they might be, or how such a war would effect the country economically, or even how many people would die because of it, and like Nike, just do it! A true leader shouldn't care about such trivial things like the welfare of his country or the safety of his people, as long as he engages in wars of dignity and inflicts some damages against the evil nazi zionists. That's what your glorious role model showed them, and the egyptian people have looked around, saw the peace and quiet we have been living in for the past 27 years and screamed: I DON'T WANT THIS HONORLESS PEACE! GIVE ME WAR! GIVE ME DEATH! GIVE ME DIGNITY. You are teaching all arabs what it means to be a leader with dignity, not one of those pansies that govern Egypt, Jordan or the arabIAN Gulf, with all of their sissy talk of peace, development and economic stability. What a bunch of pussies! Seriously! You will show them when you liberate Palestine. Oh yes you will.

And finally, don't listen to all of those poeple who talk about the difference in your army and the israeli army, and how they have superior weapons, like aircrafts and nuclear warheads. Those fools don't understand that you have the most powerful weapon of all: You have GOD ON YOUR SIDE. You even hinted at your special relationship when you omnipotently spoke about how the Israelis were going to attack in 2 months anyway, so it was a good thing to provoke an attack from them now while they were unprepared. Many people wonderd how you knew that, but only I figured it out: God told you. What? Do those people think he placed you as the leader of his party for no reason? HA! Foolish know-nothings! You have a close personal relationship with him. He talks to you and tells you stuff. This is why you don't do any filed fighting anymore, and reserve your energy for those TV appearances. You are in no hurry to die in order to meet him; he comes to you every night. And people wonder why the rest of the planet is in such bad shape: GOD IS BUSY, DAMN IT! He is occupied with making sure his party survives. And despite all that, you have those people who keep asking him for things like a better world, Justice and peace on earth, while he is busy helping you fight his chosen people. Don't people understand what Priorities mean anymore? People today man, I tell you, no manners!

And finally, If those negative defeatists naysayers continue their misguided rhetoric, refusing to believe that God is really on your side and will hand you your victory on a plate of silver, I would like to remind them what your name means. You are called Nasrallah, which means God's Victory. Come on people. Do I have to spell it out for ya? God's victory, waging the war using God's party? You are so gonna win this. It's not even a discussion!

So please, dear great supreme leader Hassan Nasrallah, for all of those reasons, don't accept the cease-fire. Continue fighting, and the gates of Jerusalem are yours to pass through. I will be here, standing right behind you, well, in front of the Television really, but I will be cheering really really hard for every Israeli death you inflict for every 10 death they inflict upon your people. And I will also pray very hard for God to help you out more and hasten the destruction of Israel. I hear they are considering bringing back Bibi as Prime Minister, so it really shouldn't be long now, since he will do most of the damage for you anyway, probably all in God's plan of giving you that victory. He works in mysterious ways, doesn't he? Oh yes. Yes, he sure does. And his victory and total annihilation of the jewish people is nigh and will be on your hands, god willing. Just keep fighting Nasrallah, and keep firing those rockets. I am sure the Israelis will just roll over and play dead any minute now!

Your new supporter and faithful scribe,

Sandmonkey


5 posted on 08/14/2006 3:35:32 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: Btrp113Cav

I object to your characterization that Israel lost this encounter.


6 posted on 08/14/2006 3:36:13 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Btrp113Cav

Settle down and let this thing play out. I'm not at all sure that Israel lost. Hezbollah held south Lebanon, which is now occupied by Israel and will be held by international troops.

Let time put this in perspective. Nothing in that part of the world is easy or what it seems. We'll know more with time.


7 posted on 08/14/2006 3:37:08 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Btrp113Cav

I suggest you write Olmert and ask him to resign.
He had 30 days. He hesitated, dithered and went wobbly.

Go protest the Israel Gov. They had the window of opportunity and squandered it.


8 posted on 08/14/2006 3:37:23 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Btrp113Cav
President Bush:

America should have struck Hizb'allah first.
Hizb'allah has long been America's enemy.


9 posted on 08/14/2006 3:38:05 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Btrp113Cav

No one forced Olmert to agree to the ceasefire. Why are you blaming Bush? He gave the Israelis more than a month to take care of Hezbollah even taking the political heat of providing them additional bunker buster bombs when they were in the process of bombing downtown Beirut. Place the plame where it belongs with Olmert and his crew. He thought he could win the war from the air on the cheap without committing the necessary ground forces to win. He called up the reserves and then had them sit on his side of the border not wanting to commit to a larger battle. Olmert is a later day LBJ.


10 posted on 08/14/2006 3:38:37 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Btrp113Cav
I think you need to listen to the people directly involved in this.

Like I've said before, the Israelis made this decision and have suggested that the President is one of the most loyal friends in the US they have ever had.

If we expect others to respect our sovereignty, we must respect theirs. We did not strong arm them on this. We gave them a hand. If you have issues with the deal we brokered for them, you need to take it up with them.
11 posted on 08/14/2006 3:39:15 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Jedidah

i e-mailed the White House on Friday when the resolution passed. i don't feel any better about this resolution this morning. i feel that the White House should know we want them to be sure that the disarming of Hizbollah does take place, that they are not rearmed --- why, because we sponsored this resolution and it is incumbent on us to be sure that it is carried out. our credibility is now on the line.


12 posted on 08/14/2006 3:40:07 PM PDT by avital2
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To: Jezebelle

Misunderspinning

Misunderspinning and misunderwinning: The US and Israel Don't Get It This Time
By John E. Carey
August 14, 2006

President Bush is known for his malapropisms. Some are merely ascribed to the president; he doesn’t hold the copyright.

“Strategery,” a Saturday Night Live creation, became the title of a Bill Sammon book.

But these buzzwords tell us a lot of how the people in popular culture view their leaders and their world.

President Bush said on Monday, August 14, 2006, the first day of the cease fire with Hezbollah, that the "responsibility for this suffering lies with Hezbollah."

"There's going to be a new power in the south of Lebanon," Bush said.

"Lebanon can't be a strong democracy when there is a state within a state and that's Hezbollah," Bush said.

We might assign the new word "misunderspinning" to President Bush right now. If he believes any one of those three statements he is very badly advised or just does not understand the Arab world.

First: Responsibility. Arabs, and all the Lebanese are blaming the droppers of the bombs, Israel, and the provider of the bombs, the US.

Second: New Power. Who? Hezbollah is the people of southern Lebanon. They collect taxes, provide welfare, sit in the congress.

Lebanon as a strong democracy. People who are familiar with Lebanaon doubt that it is as many in the west believe. Lebanon is an Islamic state now.

Now for Israel, my word is: “misunderwinning.”

Israeli leaders are claiming tremendous gains, if not outright victory on one side of the border, and issuing a veiled threat on the other.

Israeli Prime Minister Mr. Ehud Olmert insisted, “Hezbollah won’t continue to exist as a state within a state.”

That assertion remains to be proven.

In fact, in Lebanan and the greater Arab world, Hezbollah is a state and its leader, Hassan Nasrallah, appeared almost daily on Hezbollah TV (al-Manar "The Beacon"), and al-Jazeera during the conflict saying, "We have not been harmed."

Hezbollah has an army, C-802 Chinese made anti-ship cruise missiles, a flag, a TV station and thousands of short range rockets that can hit Israel at a range of 42 miles and more. They don't have a seat at the UN or an Olympic team; but their army beat the Israelis and their Public Relations beat the Israelis and the US.

And their spokesman, Hassan Nasrallah, beat our spokesman, George Bush, all over the Arab Street.

Within 24 hours before the start of the “cease fire,” Hezbollah fired over 200 missiles into Israel. Maybe as many as 250.

Since destruction of Hezbollah and elimination of these missiles were the number one and two goals of the war for Israel, according to Boaz Ganor, an Israeli expert who discussed the goals with me at the outset of the conflict, who do you think “won”?

And who is going to disarm and disband Hezbollah now? They are going to melt into the public because they are the public. Their weapons will disappear, much like Saddam's WMD disappeared.

A government spokesman said Israel came out ahead in the Lebanon war and will abide strictly by the U.N. cease-fire deal.

"The situation on the ground is advantageous, the diplomatic situation is advantageous to Israel," said Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev.

Yossi Kuperwasser, a brigadier general in the Israeli army, wrote in an article for the Jerusalem Post, "We created the necessary conditions to compel the international community to... ultimately turn Lebanon into an accountable, sovereign nation. If this happens, Syria and Iran would be the main losers of this war."

We’ll see.

In Lebanon, as the clock struck 8 this morning and the cease-fire commenced, the streets of Beirut were littered with a new leaflet dropped by Israeli planes saying that Hezbollah had brought the people of Lebanon “to the edge of the abyss” and brought only “destruction, displacement and death.”

The leaflet warned that the Israelis could return “with all necessary might.”Addressed to Lebanon's citizens, Israel’s leaflet said, "Will you be able to pay this price again?"

Hezbollah distributed leaflets of its own on Monday congratulating Lebanon on its "big victory" and thanking citizens for their patience during the 34-day war with Israel. The populace fired guns in celebration.

This morning, as the cease fire begins, The Washington Post features a page one story under the headline “The Best Guerrilla Force in the World.” The article is, of course, about Hezbollah.

If Israel had won, the headline might have read “Finest Fighting Force On Earth Again Prevails” referring to the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF).

I’m really a military analyst with only ten years in the media as a journalist and even I can figure this out.

For good or bad, Israel appears to have not prevailed in their goals in this war.

Israel, and in particular, Mr. Olmert’s government, are guilty of misunderspinning and also seriously misunderwinning.

Rebuilding southern Lebanon is important. If the Hezbollah is seen as the rebuilder, that will be another setback for the west.

As it is, no amount of misunderspinning can correct the current misunderwinning.



http://extendedremarks.blogspot.com/2006_08_02_extendedremarks_archive.html

http://peace-and-freedom.blogspot.com/


13 posted on 08/14/2006 3:40:21 PM PDT by John Carey
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To: tennmountainman

"He had 30 days."

And I suppose you could have solved the Middle East crisis in less than that?


14 posted on 08/14/2006 3:40:23 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (PARTY LIKE IT's August 21, 2006 !!!)
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To: Dave S
Personally, I think we need to be a little patient to see if Olmert has a second act planned.

There is so much more going on here than we see.
15 posted on 08/14/2006 3:40:31 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Btrp113Cav

The U.S. stood by Israel but Israel's administration dropped the ball. Not our fault, pal.


16 posted on 08/14/2006 3:40:41 PM PDT by debg
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

BTTT and bookmark


17 posted on 08/14/2006 3:40:42 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: Suzy Quzy
Olmert didn't want to fight to WIN!! How is that Bush's fault!!

Uhhh. It wasn't Olmert who drew up the UN cease-fire. It was Dr. Rice, who is employed by George W. Bush. Did she go out on her own? Doubtful.

Washington pulls the strings.
18 posted on 08/14/2006 3:41:44 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Jezebelle
I object to your characterization that Israel lost this encounter.

If you think they won you must be related to Olmert? They clearly showed their Arab neighbors that they cant handle and are unwilling to fight a determined assymetric group of terrorists. It encourages Syria and Iran and makes for a much more dangerous Middle East.

19 posted on 08/14/2006 3:41:49 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: TomGuy

Exactly, we didn't hear anything about a time-line until Dr. Rice showed up to Jerusalem.


20 posted on 08/14/2006 3:42:18 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: Jedidah
Settle down and let this thing play out. I'm not at all sure that Israel lost. Hezbollah held south Lebanon, which is now occupied by Israel and will be held by international troops.

So what if Israel now holds much of South Lebanon. It held this territory until two years ago when it pulled out allowing Hezbollah to move in. It didnt trade land for peace, it just got tired of defending itself in Lebanon. The Israelis have gotten fat and weak.

21 posted on 08/14/2006 3:44:04 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Suzy Quzy
"Olmert didn't want to fight to WIN!! How is that Bush's fault!! Olmert and his Minister are Huge Lefties...Lefties NEVER fight to WIN..."

Thanks for that insight.
The alternative is that either (a) Bush is stupid, or (b) he thinks we are.

22 posted on 08/14/2006 3:44:15 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: TomGuy

Don't you follow what happened??? Olmert was WEAK...WEAK....WEAK...INDECISIVE...He had a MONTGH to pour it on...he was tentative, and the ENTIRE KNESSET agreed to this cwease fire...why?? because they KNOW that OLMERT is a POOR WAR LEADER...lefties always are. Olmert cried UNCLE and Bush obliged.


23 posted on 08/14/2006 3:44:33 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Btrp113Cav

Why not tell Israel what we think about Israel's losing?

Tell Bush that we should give up on proxy wars. Until we have a declared alliance against a declared enemy, we can't rely on other countries to come through. Israel blew it, but maybe Israel (under Olmert the peacenik) had no intention of doing much more than it did. Which is its right as a sovereign nation.


24 posted on 08/14/2006 3:45:23 PM PDT by livius
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To: Btrp113Cav

Funny, that you didn't reply to anyone who replied to you, but replied to a guy who replied to me!!! You must be a hit and run or a coward.


25 posted on 08/14/2006 3:45:42 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Redbob

Why do you balme BUSH and not Olmert??


26 posted on 08/14/2006 3:46:23 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Suzy why does the US still allow iranian wh*res to run around unopposed in iraq?


27 posted on 08/14/2006 3:47:06 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: pollyannaish
Personally, I think we need to be a little patient to see if Olmert has a second act planned. There is so much more going on here than we see.

Second act planned? You mean he planned the first? The only thing going on now is Olmert casting about trying to save his political life. He's toast.

28 posted on 08/14/2006 3:47:21 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Suzy Quzy
Olmert was WEAK...WEAK....WEAK...INDECISIVE...

If you can to use that kind of argument, consider Bush and Fallujah, Iraq. It took 3 tries and well over 6 months to clean out that infested nest -- and that was just 1 city.
29 posted on 08/14/2006 3:47:48 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Oh come on, Rice worked on language from all sides. The Israelis told Rice what they would do and not do and she acted on their guidance.


30 posted on 08/14/2006 3:47:50 PM PDT by debg
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To: Suzy Quzy

could it be that everytime the iranian president blabs oil prices go up, drives up price at the pump and sways votes? Iranians can bomb embassies, take hostages, and kill americans openly and get away with it... and kill israelis. Yep they are emboldened. Great Job USA. Sending ol COndi Rice to Israel to tell us how to defend ourselves.


31 posted on 08/14/2006 3:48:13 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: TomGuy
It wasn't Olmert who drew up the UN cease-fire. It was Dr. Rice, who is employed by George W. Bush. Did she go out on her own? Doubtful

Oh really? What would the UN do if Olmert had said F you. Stick this resolution where the sun dont shine? Nada.

32 posted on 08/14/2006 3:48:57 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Btrp113Cav

Sorry but you are too much of a newbie here for me to take your recommendation of protesting against the president because of the actions of the PM of Israel.


33 posted on 08/14/2006 3:49:38 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: Btrp113Cav
Israel killed over 500 hesbullsh** troops. This is not losing except by perception and that is the problem. The muslim world percives that the hezzies won, therefore they won. Israel actually won this tussel. Their leader screwed up and could have made this a more decisive victory in which no one could dispute, but he didn't. Don't blame Bush, he gave Israel a green light, but Olmert decided not to use it and thought an air campaign would win big time. It didn't win as decisvely ad he thought and he was almost begging for a cease fire at the end.

The fact that Israel was able to race to the river in such a short time shows how strong they are.

W is not responsible for this cease fire, he did what he could after Olmert blew his chances at a big win. I, for one, will not write to Bush and citisize him on this.

34 posted on 08/14/2006 3:49:46 PM PDT by calex59 (Hillary Clinton is dumber than a one eyed monkey with a brain tumor(credit to Harley69))
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To: Dave S

I just want to know why the US still allows iranian whores to run around sadr city unopposed and operate death squads. Must just be an *iraq* thing to handle. Wonder when the timeline for iraq is going to be issued and a UN cease fire?


35 posted on 08/14/2006 3:49:55 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: Btrp113Cav

You are naive if you think a strong leader wouldn;t have told Condi to get stuck....he was struggling.


36 posted on 08/14/2006 3:50:23 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: mware

you are too much of a brainwashed idiot.


37 posted on 08/14/2006 3:50:34 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: Dave S
All I can say is that if he does go and Netanyahu is back in I'll be ok with it.

We shall see.
38 posted on 08/14/2006 3:50:41 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Dave S
Oh really? What would the UN do if Olmert had said F you. Stick this resolution where the sun dont shine? Nada.

You basically answered your own query. Israel is bound, now, by this agreement. Guess who isn't bound by it.
39 posted on 08/14/2006 3:50:49 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Suzy Quzy

I just want to know why the US still allows iranian whores to run around sadr city unopposed and operate death squads. Must just be an *iraq* thing to handle. Wonder when the timeline for iraq is going to be issued and a UN cease fire?


40 posted on 08/14/2006 3:51:01 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: TomGuy

I agree...but Bush WANTED to WIN!! Olmert not sure....lefties NEVER want to win against a REAL enemey.


41 posted on 08/14/2006 3:52:02 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Btrp113Cav

name calling. oh isn't that clever.


42 posted on 08/14/2006 3:52:35 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

I just want to know why the US still allows iranian whores to run around sadr city unopposed and operate death squads. Must just be an *iraq* thing to handle. Wonder when the timeline for iraq is going to be issued and a UN cease fire?... ->> btw 40 some bodies found in baghdad.. some more car bombings... CEASE FIRE INNOCENTS ARE BEING KILLED.. oh wait iran isnt blabbing so the price at the pump isnt really being touched.


43 posted on 08/14/2006 3:53:13 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: calex59
The fact that Israel was able to race to the river in such a short time shows how strong they are.

No, it just shows that they didnt engage the dug in enemy. They ran to claim terroritory so that would encourage the Lebaneese to negotiate. When they engaged the enemy they moved a few miles and that was it.

44 posted on 08/14/2006 3:53:39 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Btrp113Cav

You know, that wasn't addressed to me. And I haven't been here all that longer than you, so I can't pull the newbie stuff on you.

But from your posts, it sure makes me suspicious of your motives on this site and especially your motives here today.


45 posted on 08/14/2006 3:53:40 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: mware

i feel sorry for some of you idiots that think bush is the best thing since god. I hate to break it to you, but he really isn't that hard on terrorism.


46 posted on 08/14/2006 3:54:03 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: Btrp113Cav

Geez.....post this on DU will ya...there you will have plenty of company blaming BUSH for the weather, Israel, long beaked finches and Cuba, not to mention EVERYTHING else that you perceive to be wrong with this nation or the world.


47 posted on 08/14/2006 3:54:43 PM PDT by PISANO
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To: Btrp113Cav

You're Stuck on Stupid. Please don't reply anymore....funny how gas prices is getting so much of your attention.


48 posted on 08/14/2006 3:55:14 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: PISANO

I have not blamed bush for anything ever. I've supported him until now. This is 100% BS.


49 posted on 08/14/2006 3:55:22 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: Btrp113Cav

..and I suppose you would rather have Kerry and crew running the show????


50 posted on 08/14/2006 3:55:45 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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