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DNA Test Can Detect Picts' Descendants
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 8-14-2006 | Auslan Cramb

Posted on 08/14/2006 6:17:14 PM PDT by blam

DNA test can detect Picts' descendants

By Auslan Cramb, Scottish Correspondent

(Filed: 14/08/2006)

A geneticist has created a DNA test for "Scottishness" that will tell people whether they are direct descendants of the Picts.

The test, expected to cost about £130, checks a sample of saliva against 27 genetic markers linked to some of the earliest inhabitants of Scotland.

Dr Jim Wilson, of the public health sciences department at Edinburgh University, said: "We started this work a few years ago, looking at the Norse component, and we proved that a large proportion of people on Orkney are descended from Vikings.

"Now the markers have moved on massively and we have discovered that we can trace back the component of the indigenous Picts by looking at the unique grouping of their Y-chromosome. We believe that this would have been found only in Scotland."

Scientists were able to isolate the unique Pictish DNA strands from 1,000-year-old bone fragments found in ancient burial grounds


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1 posted on 08/14/2006 6:17:14 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The test, expected to cost about £130
The test is failed by paying this fee instead of being frugal. ;-)

 

2 posted on 08/14/2006 6:18:33 PM PDT by peyton randolph (No man knows the day nor the hour of The Coming of The Great White Handkerchief.)
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To: peyton randolph

MacLOL!


3 posted on 08/14/2006 6:19:47 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: blam

I didn't pict my ancestors.


4 posted on 08/14/2006 6:19:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: peyton randolph

No, no, being Scotish, I have realized that the test is, if you hagel for a lower fee your Scotish!!


5 posted on 08/14/2006 6:20:29 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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6 posted on 08/14/2006 6:21:12 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: peyton randolph

Oh.....Jute!


7 posted on 08/14/2006 6:21:19 PM PDT by bannie (HILLARY: Not all perversions are sexual.)
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To: blam



This thread is useless without Picts


8 posted on 08/14/2006 6:22:36 PM PDT by grjr21
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To: blam
My mitochondrial DNA has been passed on to two granddaughters. I'm a proud woman.
9 posted on 08/14/2006 6:22:51 PM PDT by bannie (HILLARY: Not all perversions are sexual.)
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To: blam


This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his mother's side.
I did not laugh; people who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them.
Humoring them costs nothing and adds to happiness in a world in which happiness is always in short supply.

Lazarus Long


10 posted on 08/14/2006 6:22:53 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: blam
Isn't there an old Pink Floyd song called Grooving With The Picts"?
11 posted on 08/14/2006 6:23:16 PM PDT by tongue-tied (Go Cubs!)
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To: tongue-tied

Several small furry creatures grooving together in a cave with a pict.


12 posted on 08/14/2006 6:25:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: blam

What I'd like to know is how they separate the Pict DNA from the several species of small furry animals gathered together in a cave and grooving with a Pict......


13 posted on 08/14/2006 6:25:09 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

May I boast of my descendants without being scooped up into the pile of bores?


14 posted on 08/14/2006 6:25:28 PM PDT by bannie (HILLARY: Not all perversions are sexual.)
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To: blam

I feel a sudden need for a dram & a sporn. Och!


15 posted on 08/14/2006 6:27:29 PM PDT by alarm rider (Those that vote for RINOS knowingly, have already admitted defeat.)
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To: blam

This thread is useless without Picts.


16 posted on 08/14/2006 6:28:22 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: grjr21

LOLOL!


17 posted on 08/14/2006 6:28:53 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: blam

Were the Picts Celts? Were William Wallace and Robert the Bruce Highlanders or Lowlanders? And did the English dislike Lowlanders or just Highlanders?


18 posted on 08/14/2006 6:29:18 PM PDT by Holden Magroin
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To: blam
Burn the village to the ground
doo dah, doo dah
19 posted on 08/14/2006 6:29:25 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: blam

Were the Picts indigenous? The British Isles seem to have gotten wave after wave of peoples from the mainland (Iberia, Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings, Norman French, Poles, etc.).


20 posted on 08/14/2006 6:29:32 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: blam

This is not news. As a direct decendent of a true Viking, I'm probably related to half the peope on the planet.

Hey what can I say, they got around.

Where do you think the Irish got their red hair, the Scott's their frugalness and bad tempers, the English their common laws, the Russians an end to complete political anarchy, who opened trade routes with China and the Middle East before that guy Marco somebody and who first discovered "the New World"?

It wasn't the French. (and even the Normans were not French but the decendents of Vikings.)


21 posted on 08/14/2006 6:31:04 PM PDT by Caramelgal (There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

If you pass the Pict test are you then required to paint yourself with wold (blue) then stand buck naked in a bog


22 posted on 08/14/2006 6:32:07 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Caramelgal
Other way around on the red hair ~ Vikings picked that up from their trusty slave women brought direct from Ireland.

Of course when it came to Scotland, the Vikings acquired the redhair from their trusty Irish masters who were busy reducing the Picts to a fine nothingness.

I'm not sure there were any Picts around in 1000 AD.

23 posted on 08/14/2006 6:39:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Reily

And bleach your hair?


24 posted on 08/14/2006 6:40:23 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Caramelgal
The Vikings removed political anarchy? Somehow that doesn't go with the traditional Viking stereotype. The Vikings did travel far and wide though. They were sort of the Polynesians of the north.
25 posted on 08/14/2006 6:43:10 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Reily
"If you pass the Pict test are you then required to paint yourself with wold (blue) then stand buck naked in a bog"

Well...one can always hope...;)

26 posted on 08/14/2006 6:43:27 PM PDT by Khurkris (When the levee breaks there'll be no place to hide.)
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To: blam
Can't speak to the legitimacy of getting "DNA strands from 1,000-year-old bone fragments" but DNA is now becoming mainstream in genealogy. I had my DNA done by FamilyTreeDNA and found an unknown (lost?)relative. What a rush.

Here is an article that speaks to DNA use for us amateurs http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_4144963

27 posted on 08/14/2006 6:44:33 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: tongue-tied
Isn't there an old Pink Floyd song called Grooving With The Picts"?

No, but there was one called "Several species of small furry animals gathered together in a cave and grooving with a pict".

Although you have to stretch the meaning of the word "song" to cover it...

28 posted on 08/14/2006 6:45:38 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: blam
we proved that a large proportion of people on Orkney are descended from Vikings.

Duh... but then again proof is proof, I guess.

29 posted on 08/14/2006 6:49:14 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | Appeasement=Suicide | Hezbo rockets carry "peaceheads")
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To: Izzy Dunne; cripplecreek

That's right, now I can even hear the words being sung...er, said.


30 posted on 08/14/2006 6:54:00 PM PDT by tongue-tied (Go Cubs!)
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To: Reily
If you pass the Pict test are you then required to paint yourself with wold (blue) then stand buck naked in a bog

I think we did that in college. But it was after a different test.
31 posted on 08/14/2006 7:19:19 PM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: Holden Magroin

I thought the English disliked anyone not an Englishman.


32 posted on 08/14/2006 7:25:35 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Most Viking strerotypes were promulgated by the English their enemies. Sort of like if we asked around in the Middle East today for an accurate description of Americans. Vikings were technologically more advanced than mainland Europeans. That's how they dominated them in war and yes even "culture". English women appreciated that Viking men used combs and bathed often something it took awhile for the Englishmen to figure out.


33 posted on 08/14/2006 7:56:47 PM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X = they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: Strategerist

They look for the Glenfiddich label.


34 posted on 08/14/2006 8:24:34 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: blam
A geneticist has created a DNA test for "Scottishness"

I thought that the test for "Scottishness" used a quarter and a storm grate.

35 posted on 08/14/2006 8:25:10 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (I'll have the duck with mango salsa.)
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To: Reily

Aye laddie. Hacking a few Angles with your Claymore isn't a bad idee either.


36 posted on 08/14/2006 8:26:42 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: cripplecreek

Actually, it's

Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And Grooving With A Pict

Sing along, everybody!


37 posted on 08/14/2006 8:39:52 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Cymbaline; Strategerist; cripplecreek
I got it. Been had it many years.


38 posted on 08/14/2006 9:27:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: peyton randolph

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, you are so right.LMAO


39 posted on 08/14/2006 9:37:29 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Funny, I know that's RAH, but the first part sounds a bit like something from Archy and Mehitabel, by an author whose first name was Don, can't for the life of me remember his last name.
He was an early 20th century newsman/columnist.


40 posted on 08/14/2006 9:39:29 PM PDT by skepsel
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To: skepsel

Don Marquis?


41 posted on 08/14/2006 9:56:10 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Bingo! I was thinking after I typed it, maybe RAH used a little artistic license, the time frane is about right for RAH as a youngster to have read Marquis. No telling what fragments of our early readings stick in our memories.


42 posted on 08/14/2006 10:08:57 PM PDT by skepsel
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To: blam

This is a great thread.


43 posted on 08/14/2006 11:40:23 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Caramelgal
Where do you think the English [got] their common laws

Excuse me, but Saxons are NOT Vikings! They're Germanic.

Also, North America was "discovered" thousands of years before a few Johnny-come-lately biker-types in longboats.

44 posted on 08/15/2006 2:09:19 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: martin_fierro

Just found out today that my baby brother, the one who's been taking the family Y-chromosome tests for me, has renal cancer.

Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today.


45 posted on 08/15/2006 2:16:56 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: CobaltBlue; Rameumptom; Jedi Master Pikachu; muawiyah
OK so like I had way too much time on my hands tonight - enjoy!

English Common Law as we understand it today, written laws, not based on local customs and whims as the Saxon legal system, but a more universally and fairly applied and codified law and the basis in part on which our own legal system was formed did not come the Saxons, it came from the Normans = Norse via their invasion, settlement and assimilation of northern France.

“In the Saxon system even serious crimes were person al matters”..

“The Normans made crime a public matter, and the King's authority became more heavily involved in adjudicating. His officials evolved over the next few centuries into professional judges and barristers, and judges from the King's Court”

“They also restricted the church to the administration of ecclesiastical law”

Read more: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=common%20law

But even before the Normans, a substantial part of England was settled and ruled by Vikings, the area known as the Daneland or Danelaw. Many place names in England and Ireland have origins in these Norse settlements: http://www.viking.no/e/england/danelaw/epl-danelaw.htm

What was the Viking Legal System like?; The very word LAW in English is a Viking word; a legislative assembly and a court; a jury of 12 http://www.viking.no/e/life/elaws.htm

Viking Society - A Self-Regulated Society; the Viking system was more democratic. It included everybody as citizens (even woman and the handicapped), except the slaves and those exiled from society - the outlaws http://www.arild-hauge.com/elife.htm

And the Vikings left their mark on the English language. http://www.viking.no/e/england/e-viking_english.htm

The Vikings in Russia; the Slavs, exhausted by uninterrupted inter-tribal wars, made the following proposal to the Rus (a name borrowed from the Finns to designate the Swedes): "Our country is rich and immense, but it is rent by disorder. Come and govern us and reign over us". http://www.viking.no/e/russia/index.html

The Vikings in Ireland: The Vikings were now a factor in the internal politics of Ireland and were accepted as such. Norse-Irish alliances became commonplace. http://www.ncte.ie/viking/vikage.htm

In short the stereotype of the Vikings and their culture as “Hells Angles in Longboats” is untrue. Yes they pirated, pillaged and plundered, but they also had a complex society, with laws, morals, religion, works of art and literature and while brutal and warlike, they were not so much unlike other tribes of Western Europe; the Celts, Vandals, Picts, Angles, Saxons, Francs, but for several hundred years, they just did it better!
46 posted on 08/15/2006 6:16:59 PM PDT by Caramelgal (There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do.)
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To: Caramelgal

The derivation of the word "law" is Teutonic (Anglo-Saxon) lagu, meaning something which is fixed.

The Common Law has Celtic and Anglo Saxon derivation. See, for example, West Saxon Lage.

The Civil Law, which the Normans brought, is Catholic canon law, derived from the Romans, who got it from the Greeks. First codified in the Code of Justinian.

If you are really interested in learning more about the history of the Common Law, most start with Blackstone:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/blackstone/blacksto.htm

For Civil Law, nothing beats Yiannopoulos (as he would tell you himself):
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1579803806/sr=8-4/qid=1155755649/ref=sr_1_4/102-6634800-7464918?ie=UTF8


47 posted on 08/16/2006 12:20:15 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: blam
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48 posted on 09/10/2006 8:43:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Those poor, misunderstood bloodthirsty killers, the Vikings.
Did the Vikings drive natives from the isles?
by Stephen Stewart
May 17 2005
Viking settlers may have "ethnically cleansed" Scotland's islands, waging a genocidal campaign against native Pictish tribes as they arrived, according to evidence uncovered by archaeologists... Work at Langskaill farm, in Westray, shows signs of a Pictish culture vanish abruptly with the arrival of the Scandinavians, underlining the theory that the Northern Isles were taken violently... A Viking-Norse longhouse was unearthed, which was built directly over an earlier earth house and part of a Pictish house, probably indicating a takeover of the site and adjoining lands... In recent years, the image of the Vikings has been transformed from bloodthirsty pagan savages to that of sophisticated merchants with exceptional navigational and engineering skills. The finds on Orkney, however, are expected to reopen the entire debate.

49 posted on 09/15/2006 2:14:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: CobaltBlue

Vikings and Saxons were both Germanic & old Norse is a Germanic language. Some of the earliest English common law was derived from Danelaw.

Biker types? ::rolls eyes::


50 posted on 09/16/2006 1:58:06 AM PDT by GoLightly
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