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All-Druse unit returns without single casualty
Jerusalem Post ^ | Aug. 15, 2006 0:49 | YAAKOV KATZ

Posted on 08/14/2006 10:56:48 PM PDT by Nachum

They hiked over 40 kilometers, killed close to 20 Hizbullah guerrillas and spent 32 days in Lebanon without a single casualty. But on Monday, soldiers from the Herev Battalion emerged from battle, sweaty, dusty and tired making history twice - as the first battalion to enter Lebanon and the one to spend the longest amount of time deep in enemy territory under Operation Change of Direction.

The battalion, consisting strictly of Druse soldiers from northern Israel, was on its way to take control of the northern border with Lebanon on July 12, when Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser were kidnapped in a cross-border Hizbullah attack. Commanded by Lt.-Col. Wajdi Sahran, the battalion secured the area of the kidnapping and assisted in the evacuation of the dead soldiers from the scene of the attack. Little did he know that the kidnapping would change his battalion forever.

Several days later, OC Northern Command Maj.-Gen. Udi Adam decided to send Sahran and his men into Lebanon, making Herev the first full battalion to invade Hizbullah strongholds during this war. Days earlier, the elite Maglan and Egoz Units suffered heavy casualties during clashes in Lebanon and Adam sent in Herev, a battalion known for its vast experience in Lebanon and intimate familiarity with the tough terrain.

The battalion went into Lebanon during the first week of the war and was first sent to Marwahin, a known Hizbullah stronghold in the central sector of southern Lebanon. There it spent three days before being sent off to Maroun a-Ras, scene of heavy clashes between Maglan, Egoz and Hizbullah just days earlier. The battalion spent 10 days there until it was again sent off to Itoran for another week.

In every village, the routine was the same, recalled Maj. Shadi Abu Fair, the battalion's deputy commander on Monday from the lobby of the Ginossar Hotel on the banks of the Kinneret, taken over by the IDF and used to give soldiers respite before returning to battle.

Why did Herev succeed where so many other battalions appeared to have failed? "We are a strong unit that has always fought in the North," Abu Faris explained. "While other units went to fight in the West Bank we stayed in the North and are the battalion with the most experience and time in Lebanon."

Due to its success following 32 days in Lebanon, Abu Faris revealed that the Northern Command was now considering turning the battalion into an elite unit like Egoz known for its expertise in fighting Hizbullah.

For Herev, the war in Lebanon was not just a war against a fierce enemy but was a war in defense of their home - not just the State of Israel, but their homes in the literal sense. All of the soldiers, without any exception, Abu Faris said, live in northern Israel and their homes came under the incessant Hizbullah Katyusha rocket attacks during the past 30 days of fighting.

"There are soldiers here whose homes were hit by Katyusha rockets," explained one of the soldiers, St.-Sgt. Eitan Agmi, whose relative was Wasim Nazil, one of the eight soldiers killed in the July 12 cross-border Hizbullah attack that sparked the war in Lebanon. "A mother of one of the soldiers was even hospitalized for several days after she was injured in a rocket attack."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alldruse; casualty; returns; single; unit; without

1 posted on 08/14/2006 10:56:51 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Are Druze similar to Mormons in that outsiders consider them to be Muslim, though Muslims don't consider them Muslim (as nonChristians put Mormons under Christianity but Christians don't consider them Christians)?


2 posted on 08/14/2006 10:59:47 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Nachum

interesting


3 posted on 08/14/2006 11:01:25 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I'm not sure about the Druse but only the most bigoted and insulated Christians see Mormons as non-Christian. By any conventional definition Mormons are Christian. They believe in the divinity of Christ, the virgin birth and the resurrection -- which is more than can be said of many politically correct leaders of mainstream Christianity.


4 posted on 08/14/2006 11:06:14 PM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Actually, no. They're not Jewish at all. Druze are of Arab descent, and speak Arabic.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/druze.htmlhttp://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/druze.html

They are Ismailists - Islamic monotheism heavily influenced by Greek philosophy and tempered by Hindi tolerance/forgiveness.

I.E., what Islam would be if they redacted all of the insanity from the Qu'ran and adhered to the basic humanist tenets of all mature religions.


5 posted on 08/14/2006 11:06:22 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Bushwacker777

"They believe in the divinity of Christ, the virgin birth and the resurrection -- which is more than can be said of many politically correct leaders of mainstream Christianity."



Do they believe that He is the Son of God?
The Messiah?

I don't think so...


6 posted on 08/14/2006 11:14:15 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: Nachum

So, when is Israel going to integrate their armed forces?


7 posted on 08/14/2006 11:19:45 PM PDT by opinionator
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To: Nachum

Just wondering, why does the Druze fight for Israel?


8 posted on 08/14/2006 11:21:23 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Just wondering, why does the Druze fight for Israel?



They realize it's the best country in the Middle East for minorities and for fairness.


9 posted on 08/14/2006 11:25:45 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

And because they think that jihad is a really, really bad idea - oppressing other religions is a *huge* no-no in their book.

Israel, by its nature, is the most tolerant state in that part of the world.


10 posted on 08/14/2006 11:29:15 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Corrected URL: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/druze.html


11 posted on 08/14/2006 11:33:16 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Nachum

The Druze are very much their own, unique religion (which is largely unknown to anyone but the Druze themselves) and ethnic group. They are quite deliberately vague and secretive about their religious beliefs - sometimes appearing to be Muslim, sometimes Christian and sometimes Jewish - all depending on who is in the majority at the particular locale. The Druze religion's chief symbol is a five-pointed star.

The true believers among the Muslims (like Hizbollah) naturally consider them to be infidels and pagans and thus subject to jihad and dhimmitude, which explains the Druze willingness to serve in the IDF. They are, after all, quite free to practice their religion in peace within Israel - the region's only genuinely western country - without being subjected to persecustion.

The Alawites (who control Syria, even though they are a small minority) are also a separate religion - sort of a bizarre combination of Islam and Christianity - and tolerant of both, which is why so many Iraqi Christians have chosen to flee to Syria since the rise of "democracy" (Sharia) in Iraq. In addition to one of region's largest remaining Christian populations, Syria also has a significant number of Druze, some of whom serve in the Syrian military alongside Muslims and Christians. Contrary to all the of propaganda encountered from neo-Jacobin idiots, Syria - despite the fact that it is a military dicatorship - is actually far more tolerant of its religious minorities than our "good friends" and "allies" in the "war on global extremism" like Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan are.


12 posted on 08/15/2006 12:12:42 AM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: Bogolyubski
Very good summary of the Druze. I would add that they are similar in their secrecy to the Freemasons.There are many levels of knowledge and only a tiny minority at the top of the pyramid know the entire theology of the Druze religion. Women are not members of the groups that get secret knowledge.

The Alawites-- literally the followers of Ali-- believe in the divinity of Ali like Christians believe in the divinity of Christ. They have a hierarchy like the Shia so some important Shia cleric said that they are part of Shia Islam. Forget the name but relatively recently like 15-20 years ago.
13 posted on 08/15/2006 12:42:58 AM PDT by Reaganez
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To: dixiechick2000
I don't think so...

At some point in civil dialog it is prudent to allow Mormons or Muslims or anybody with which one disagrees to speak for themselves.
14 posted on 08/15/2006 12:49:10 AM PDT by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: Reaganez

The Alawites have a sacred meal of bread and wine where they believe they partake of the body of Allah. This is of course a great heresy to Muslims -- and one can see the crypto-Christian origin of it.


15 posted on 08/15/2006 12:51:55 AM PDT by Maeve (St. Rafqa, pray for us.)
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To: Bushwacker777
Mormons believe that they can become gods. There is only one God. Also--if you know exactly, respond--they could also believe that Christ was an angel before becoming God. Jesus was God since before time began.

Depends on your definition of insulated, but it should be that most Christians would not recognize Mormons as fellow Christians. Protestants, Roman Catholics, Orthodox, and Baptists (who apparently aren't Protestant) all recognize each other as being Christians, with some debates among them, but they still consider each other Christian.

16 posted on 08/15/2006 2:36:26 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Nachum
During The Lebanese civil war and subsequent Israeli invasion, the Druze sat on their hilltops laden with artillery and made it crystal clear that anyone, be they Jew, Christian, Palestinian or Shia (Amal at the time) who messed with them was going to get a shoeing. They were left alone.

I knew a few of them when I lived and worked in the Middle East. Very intelligent, confident and assured people
17 posted on 08/15/2006 2:39:32 AM PDT by weegie
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To: Bushwacker777
While many leaders are nominal Christians, rather than actual ones, and while Mormons has many admirable attributes, they still aren't Christian.

Even Muslims acknowledge the virgin birth--and could also recognize the Resurrection.

As for divinity, Mormons still seem to not fully grasp what divinity is.

There is also other writings they follow (Book of Mormon), which is not Christian. Granted, Roman Catholics have the Apocrypha which could also be nonchristian, but they still recognize God for being fully God.

18 posted on 08/15/2006 2:40:18 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Nachum

The article became even more meaningful when I looked up “Druse”.


19 posted on 08/15/2006 2:40:21 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Bushwacker777

Compliments on you being very polite even though you obviously disagree.


20 posted on 08/15/2006 2:42:40 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Spktyr
The comment has are Druze Muslim, not Jewish.
21 posted on 08/15/2006 2:43:40 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: MinorityRepublican

If they are Israeli, they fight for their country. There are probably even some Muslim, Palestinian Israelis who are loyal to Israel (though they would probably be an extreme minority).


22 posted on 08/15/2006 2:45:24 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: carumba

It is proper to let them give their own opinions, but those opinions don't have to be agreed upon.


23 posted on 08/15/2006 2:47:16 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: R. Scott

Is Druse more common than Druze? Druze is used on the BBC, but they also use Shia instead of Shiite. Hezbollah also has various spellings in the Roman alphabet.


24 posted on 08/15/2006 2:49:19 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I attribute the different spellings to there not being exact equivalents between Arabic and Roman alphabets.


25 posted on 08/15/2006 2:52:09 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Bushwacker777

Nope...Mormons are not Christians in the strictest sense....they are a cult.

Use Google man if you want to know the truth. Type in "Mormon Cult" lots of information there as to why Mormons are Not Christians...especially as regarded by real Christians.

Read the last chapter of the Christian Bible....

Rev. 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Rev. 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.




Joe Smith Added to the Bible. Just like Mohammed.


26 posted on 08/15/2006 2:57:14 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Some years ago, I met a Druze man on the internet in Lebanon, and he told me that their leader had disappeared, and he told me that his faher had just died, and that he had no hope of life after death. Many consider Druze as a form of Islam. After listening to the Druze man, I did not really consider him to be anything but a confused man. I saw no reason to dislike him. Somehow, I was left with sympathy for te Druze.


27 posted on 08/15/2006 6:06:52 AM PDT by tessalu
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To: MinorityRepublican

"Just wondering, why does the Druze fight for Israel?"

Because they're Israelis!


28 posted on 08/15/2006 6:47:08 AM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: tessalu

"I did not really consider him to be anything but a confused man."

An ancient religion reduced to nothing in a single patronising sentence...


29 posted on 08/15/2006 6:50:58 AM PDT by Dave Elias
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To: Reaganez
There are many levels of knowledge and only a tiny minority at the top of the pyramid know the entire theology of the Druze religion.

Sounds Gnostic...

30 posted on 08/15/2006 6:58:16 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Freedom isn't free, but the men and women of the military will pay most of your share)
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