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Border group's finances a secret (Simcox-Minuteman)
The Washington Times ^ | 8-15-2006 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 08/15/2006 12:58:22 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

A Texas firm that manages hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations to the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps says it has not been authorized to divulge a detailed accounting of the funds, despite assurances by the MCDC's top official that it would do so.

Maureen E. Otis -- president of American Caging Inc. in Stafford, Texas, an agency hired to collect, deposit and disburse donations to the civilian border-patrol group -- told The Washington Times that neither MCDC President Chris Simcox nor the group's board of directors had given her permission to "disclose any numbers."

Mr. Simcox, who has been criticized by current and former MCDC members for a lack of leadership and financial accountability, had referred The Times to Mrs. Otis, saying she could "tell you everything" to clear up the concerns.

Instead, Mrs. Otis issued a statement saying only that all Minuteman donations have been "securely collected, counted and deposited" in MCDC bank accounts.

Telephone calls to Mr. Simcox in Phoenix, where he reportedly is on paternity leave, were routed to Minuteman spokeswoman Connie Hair in Virginia, who said the organization was not going to release "any unaudited numbers." She said that an audit will be completed in November and that any release of figures prior to that "is just not going to happen......."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; botsonparade; immigration; lametry; minuteman; minutemen; mmp; simcox
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Stonewall all around. They must hope the donations roll in despite the delay in disclosure.
1 posted on 08/15/2006 12:58:24 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Hmm this doesnt look like a retraction lol. Where is the retraction we were told the Wash Times was going to do.


2 posted on 08/15/2006 1:00:10 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Amelia; unsycophant; catholicfreeper; Rex Anderson; Texasforever; Howlin; onyx; ...

ping


3 posted on 08/15/2006 1:00:13 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: catholicfreeper

The retraction is burried under the fence.


4 posted on 08/15/2006 1:01:44 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"paternity leave"?I thought he was travelling around the country giving out money form his PAC. I uspect he will be on paternity leave alot especially when certain reporters call.


5 posted on 08/15/2006 1:05:56 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: catholicfreeper

That sounds like the dodge it is.


6 posted on 08/15/2006 1:14:28 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I suspect, since the MMP has been so effective at embarassing the thugs in DC, this is an attempt to discredit him, and the MMP.

I've been involved in trying to implement change in the political arena, through our elected officials, for a number of years, we have had a little success locally, and at state level, but DC, nothing. The MMP, and other border watch groups have gotten the DC crowd to at least pretend to do something in just over a year. That is a major accomplishment.

The MMP is Chris Simcox's organization, he can run it any way he wants as far as I am concerned. Anyone who has donated should be looking at the results, not nitpicking the accounting, or the way the donated money was spent.

The Border Watch group I belong to takes no donations, we fund the operation ourselves, to avoid a mess like this, amoung other reasons.

7 posted on 08/15/2006 1:40:37 AM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: c-b 1

I think if you're soliciting donations then it is quite reasonable to ask where the money is going. Certainly you should not say you will release the accounting and then not do so. Better to say it's private info in the first place.


8 posted on 08/15/2006 1:47:17 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Good article.

For some reason this story brings to mind some of David Copperfield's best sleight of hand tricks, now you see it and now you don't.

9 posted on 08/15/2006 2:11:23 AM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

Thanks.


10 posted on 08/15/2006 2:16:44 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Allegations are made. Therefore, figures should be released immediately? Anyone can make an allegation. Why not get fully audited results before passing judgement?


11 posted on 08/15/2006 2:34:18 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup ("Is it real? Or is it Reuters?")
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To: stocksthatgoup; All
"..MCDC has not released any financial or fundraising records since its April 2005 creation to either the public or its members. Disclosure statements promised to The Times by Mr. Simcox in October and later in April were never delivered..."
12 posted on 08/15/2006 2:56:39 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182; catholicfreeper
I'm disappointed that Seper didn't mention that American Caging is "Not In Good Standing" in Texas.

He hasn't checked that out yet?

13 posted on 08/15/2006 3:02:36 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: stocksthatgoup
Allegations are made. Therefore, figures should be released immediately? Anyone can make an allegation. Why not get fully audited results before passing judgement?

Because then the anti-Minutemen wouldn't have anything to whine about.

14 posted on 08/15/2006 3:03:29 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: stocksthatgoup
Allegations are made. Therefore, figures should be released immediately? Anyone can make an allegation. Why not get fully audited results before passing judgement?

It's current and former MCDC members who've been making the allegations, apparently. The entire article is instructive...for example, there's this:

In April, Mrs. Lewis and Ms. Hair declined to answer 17 written questions submitted by The Times concerning MCDC finances after several current and former Minutemen first raised questions about money coming into the organization. They also did not respond to a follow-up list of seven questions in June.

MCDC has not released any financial or fundraising records since its April 2005 creation to either the public or its members. Disclosure statements promised to The Times by Mr. Simcox in October and later in April were never delivered. He since has accused critics of being racists, anti-Semites and "a small handful of disgruntled people who have been terminated."

Stonewalling, or the appearance thereof, rarely improves people's opinion of a person or group. It just makes it appear that there is something to hide.

Sounds to me as if, at most, they don't want people to know where the money is going, and at least, they have incompetent media relations people.

15 posted on 08/15/2006 3:09:19 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: Amelia
Stonewalling...

That stonewall the only fence I see being built.

16 posted on 08/15/2006 3:19:25 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Amelia
I think both conclusions are true:

1. They don't want people to know where the money is going. and 2. Incompetent media relations people.

If the money is in the bank, why don't they simply release a statement of their receipts and the account's balance on hand?

17 posted on 08/15/2006 3:42:19 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Are they subject to CFR laws?


18 posted on 08/15/2006 4:59:57 AM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

add me to your ping list for this please


19 posted on 08/15/2006 6:00:30 AM PDT by PDR
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To: Anti-Bubba182

what fence? oh, yeah.... got it.


20 posted on 08/15/2006 6:01:01 AM PDT by PDR
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To: Amelia

They should build a real stone wall, not an evidentiary one.


21 posted on 08/15/2006 6:02:45 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Oui! Isn't this the same MSM fellow traveler that was attacking the anti-illegal immigration movement before?


22 posted on 08/15/2006 6:22:07 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Telephone calls to Mr. Simcox in Phoenix, where he reportedly is on paternity leave"

Shotgun wedding?
23 posted on 08/15/2006 7:28:18 AM PDT by Registered
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To: Registered
Telephone calls to Mr. Simcox in Phoenix, where he reportedly is on paternity leave"

Telephone calls to Mr. Simcox in Phoenix, where he reportedly is having cramps"

Telephone calls to Mr. Simcox in Phoenix, where he reportedly is skipping town"

Telephone calls to Mr. Simcox in Phoenix, where he reportedly is in close consultation with his media consultant"

Telephone calls to Mr. Simcox in Phoenix, where he reportedly is attempting to give a leg massage"

Telephone calls to Mr. Simcox in Phoenix, where he reportedly is burried under the fence with the Times retraction.

24 posted on 08/15/2006 7:34:56 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: raybbr

Because then the anti-Minutemen wouldn't have anything to whine about.

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"Minuteman spokeswoman Connie Hair in Virginia, who said the organization was not going to release "any unaudited numbers." She said that an audit will be completed in November and that any release of figures prior to that "is just not going to happen......."


Perhaps if she spoke in Spanish, the anti-borders, anti-"vigilante", anti-deportation, anti-anyone who dares criticizes Bush" crowd, might comprende?


25 posted on 08/15/2006 7:55:44 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Tancredo ' 08)
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To: Kimberly GG
Perhaps if she spoke in Spanish, the anti-borders, anti-"vigilante", anti-deportation, anti-anyone who dares criticizes Bush" crowd, might comprende?

Well, I'm in Michigan, so French Canadian might work better than Spanish for me and my border. You do know we have a Northern Border? Unless...nah, you wouldn't be stereotyping would ya?
26 posted on 08/15/2006 8:07:11 AM PDT by Registered
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To: Registered; All
This article is on DRUDGE listed as:

Minuteman group's finances still a secret...

All the BS evasions in the world won't make up for this and repeated Washington Times articles.

27 posted on 08/15/2006 8:37:01 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

28 posted on 08/15/2006 9:12:52 AM PDT by Registered
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To: Registered

Good one! Just the number of entities they use should give rise to suspicion. They have official or benign sounding names and hope nobody looks too hard or asks too many questions.


29 posted on 08/15/2006 9:23:10 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Miss Marple
If the money is in the bank, why don't they simply release a statement of their receipts and the account's balance on hand?

I can tell you from recent experience that once you do that, your opponents will then use your disclosure to make additional wild accusations based on nothing more than their own feverished perceptions of deceipt and dishonor.

I'm not excusing the Simcox crowd, I'm just stating a fact of life that you may consider at your leisure.

30 posted on 08/15/2006 9:26:13 AM PDT by HiJinx (Have you hugged a soldier today? Try it, you'll like it!)
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To: HiJinx; Miss Marple

deceipt = deceit.

Learn to spell, Jinx....


31 posted on 08/15/2006 9:28:05 AM PDT by HiJinx (Have you hugged a soldier today? Try it, you'll like it!)
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To: Amelia

I wish the Times would send him to Houston. That might help a lot


32 posted on 08/15/2006 9:29:59 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: Registered

Oh my freakin' God...


33 posted on 08/15/2006 9:41:50 AM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: c-b 1; Anti-Bubba182; catholicfreeper
I suspect, since the MMP has been so effective at embarassing the thugs in DC, this is an attempt to discredit him, and the MMP.

There are a handful of freepers who have turned this into a nearly clinically obsessive project. Something is definitely up with them.

34 posted on 08/15/2006 10:10:09 AM PDT by jmc813 (.)(.)
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There are a handful of freepers who have turned this into a nearly clinically obsessive project. Something is definitely up with them.

Yes, I've notice that.

35 posted on 08/15/2006 10:31:47 AM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: HiJinx

You have a point. I will be paying attention in November.


36 posted on 08/15/2006 10:49:55 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Registered

OMG! LOL!


37 posted on 08/15/2006 10:51:33 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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38 posted on 08/15/2006 11:40:12 AM PDT by Mo1 (Bolton- "No one has explained how you negotiate a ceasefire with terrorists")
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To: Mo1

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39 posted on 08/15/2006 12:18:27 PM PDT by Registered
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To: Registered
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40 posted on 08/15/2006 12:21:37 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

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41 posted on 08/15/2006 12:27:28 PM PDT by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Keyes Akbar!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Mo1; Ms. AntiFeminazi

Now if we could just connect them...hm


42 posted on 08/15/2006 12:30:27 PM PDT by Registered
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Registered; Ms. AntiFeminazi

Are y'all making fun of my dots??

;0)


43 posted on 08/15/2006 12:33:57 PM PDT by Mo1 (Bolton- "No one has explained how you negotiate a ceasefire with terrorists")
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To: Registered

Oh my goodness *L*


44 posted on 08/15/2006 12:34:43 PM PDT by Mo1 (Bolton- "No one has explained how you negotiate a ceasefire with terrorists")
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To: The Shrew; Skeet; MinuteGal; Bob J; diotima; Nick Danger; abner; Seeking the truth; DoughtyOne; ...

Follow the money ping...


45 posted on 08/15/2006 12:35:41 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Registered

I think we already did. ;)


46 posted on 08/15/2006 12:35:43 PM PDT by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Keyes Akbar!)
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To: Registered

Howcum ya nevur put no Hadacol in that there wurk uv art???


47 posted on 08/15/2006 12:41:45 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The dream ticket for 2008 is Cheney/Allen!!! Let's do it!!! It'll scare the Liberals SPITLESS!!!)
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To: Interesting Times; Registered

Hey, does anyone know of a nice fledgling group that might need an organization to help them process donated funds? I know of an organization that's willing to help.

Perhaps you've heard of it, "Sticky Fingers Inc."


48 posted on 08/15/2006 12:55:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: Registered
That G&C fence can't keep out a good livestock show, and the dog and pony got in too.
49 posted on 08/15/2006 1:24:30 PM PDT by Invisible Gorilla
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi

Wouldn't "Alan Akbar" work better than "Keyes Akbar?"


50 posted on 08/15/2006 1:36:36 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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