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British Jews fear backlash (from Muslims "fearing backlash")
Jerusalem Post ^ | August 10, 2006 | Hilary Leila Krieger

Posted on 08/15/2006 4:13:05 AM PDT by Alouette

British Jewry is concerned that the uncovering Thursday of a Muslim extremist plot to attack planes from Heathrow Airport will increase animosity towards the Jewish community, already suffering from heightened anti-Semitism following Israel's attacks on Hizbullah.

"There's no doubt that any increase in tensions brings with it an increase in pressure against the Jewish community at times like this," said Mark Gardner of the Jewish Community Security Trust. "People look for scapegoats. Jews and Israel come near the top of the list. This will not help the situation."

The CST has recorded a doubling in anti-Semitic incidents in Britain since the fighting in Lebanon began. Gardner said that it was advising Jewish institutions to stay on "an unusually high level of alert" - already in place due to existing Al-Qaida and Hizbullah threats - but that no activities were being changed or curtailed due to the revealed terrorist plot.

Already Thursday, some Muslim and left-wing political voices could be heard making the link between the planned attacks and what is happening in the Middle East, implying that Israel was inflaming tensions and, by doing so, raising the chances of terror striking in places such as the UK.

But Jewish leaders stressed that these views were in the extreme minority.

Still, said Ben Novick, director of media relations for the Britain-Israel Communications and Research Center, said such views "feed into public opinion and violence on the street." He charged that such connections would be "wrong" because the plot had been being planned for months, while Israel had only been fighting in Lebanon for the past few weeks.

Israeli Deputy Ambassador to London Zvi Ravner called any such connection "ludicrous" on the same grounds, and dismissed concerns that such assertions would change the attitude towards Jews or Israel. He pointed to Prime Minister Tony Blair's strong support of Israel's right to defend itself and said that he didn't believe the fallout from Thursday's events would be all bad for Israel.

He added that the foiling of the terrorist attack had had the benefit of taking attention away from what was happening in Lebanon, noting that one TV station had canceled a previously scheduled interview with him on the subject to cover the airport story.

Jon Benjamin, Chief Executive of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, noted that sometimes events such as Thursday's reminded Britons of their shared experience with Israelis in facing terrorism. He said that this type of report "brings home to people how important the security situation is."

But Carolyn Gazal didn't need it brought home. What she needed was to get home herself - to New York, one of the cities allegedly targeted by the intended hijackers. But she and her husband decided to put off their flight back from London out of fear that the long takeoff delays experienced by passengers on Thursday would continue Friday. They decided to push back their takeoff from Friday morning to Sunday so that they wouldn't have to spend the day at the airport only to cancel due to the risk of violating Shabbat if their flight left late.

She said, though, that she wasn't particularly scared of the thought of heading to Heathrow Airport at the end of the weekend.

"As Jews we're just used to it, the threats and terrorists," she said. "It's not something new to us."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Israel; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: backlash; jews; muslims; terror

1 posted on 08/15/2006 4:13:06 AM PDT by Alouette
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2 posted on 08/15/2006 4:13:29 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 104-105)
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To: Alouette
What is the deal with the self-persacution of the Jews? It's like the kid who gets pummeled by the bully every day who begs the teacher to leave the bully alone, lest things get worse.
3 posted on 08/15/2006 4:17:44 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: Alouette
Circle-persecution-jerk.

I'm feeling left out, and thus, fear persecution by those who need someone to persecute.

4 posted on 08/15/2006 4:20:26 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message/2006_04.htm)
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To: SampleMan

It would seem the only Jews with balls live in Israel.

Where are the American Jews standing up for Israel. All I see is CAIR standing up for terrorists while American jews stand behind Hillary and vote for the cut and run Democrats.

I know that may not be to everyones liking,but its what I see.


5 posted on 08/15/2006 4:29:42 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: SampleMan
What is the deal with the self-persacution of the Jews?

Are you saying it was a Jewish man who walked into the Jewish Federation in Seattle and opened fire?

Yeah, we are paranoid, but someone really is out to get us.

6 posted on 08/15/2006 4:31:18 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 104-105)
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To: Alouette

So, does this mean that a backlash backlash is in the works??

Makes me dizzy just thinking about it.


7 posted on 08/15/2006 4:44:37 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Alouette
Are you saying it was a Jewish man who walked into the Jewish Federation in Seattle and opened fire? Yeah, we are paranoid, but someone really is out to get us.

I don't know how you could so completely misunderstand my post. I don't think Jews are paranoid, I think they blame the victim, which is themselves, instead of standing up to the perps.

How else to explain a statement by a Jewish group that they fear "retaliation" after the arrest of these muslim terrorists?

I don't get it. They should be beating the drum about the need to crack down more on the jihadists, not cowering.

8 posted on 08/15/2006 5:06:56 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: sgtbono2002; Alouette

Ahem.


9 posted on 08/15/2006 5:12:22 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alouette
"Backlash" may just be an abuse of a perfectly good English word. I refuse to go there.

If I fear going into certain areas of town at night, it is certainly not out of fear of any "backlash";

It is plainly anticipation of certain criminal behavior.

Criminals need to fear retribution and punishment, not backlash.

The attempt at moral equivalency on the part of the writer certainly fails in this case. At least for me.

10 posted on 08/15/2006 5:12:24 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Alouette

Britian's muslims are a huge problem. They never should have been allowed in in the first place and the country needs to engage in a concerted effort to deport any illegal muslims and to deport the extremists. Otherwise in a century the UK will be a muslim hellhole.


11 posted on 08/15/2006 5:34:13 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: SampleMan
What KIND of kid WOULD beg a teacher to leave the bully alone, lest things gets worst?

A kid WHO KNOWS WELL he is withOUT very many good, faithful and true friends. Instead he's surrounded by a bunch of cowards in the classroom and school yard who look the other way and even if he were to say anything he KNOWS the teacher would not really punish the bully any way because the teacher is a chicken also and has NOT proven reliable in the past at settling thing correctly and promptly.

The School Principle is about to return though and when he sees what has happened .... oh boy ... is their gonna be trouble that those left with the responsibility of protecting this kid did not do ALL they were able!!!
12 posted on 08/15/2006 5:58:51 AM PDT by Esther Ruth (Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The LORD is thy keeper!)
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To: SampleMan

For thousands of years we Jews have experienced the sanction by the leaders of the world to let their hordes of Muslims and fanatic haters of all types engage in pograms against us as a way to deflect anger from themselves. It is second nature to a Muslim or a Nazi to yell "Jew" in order to get out of paying consequences for their actions.

For thousands of years, we have learned that if a Jew does anything, it is then said that all Jews did that thing. So, if some of us are smart, rich and successful, we are all smart, rich and successful, things that cause envy and hatred, and if one of us fights back, we have all suddenly become a real physical threat and must be put in our place.

Younger, assimilated Jews who have lived their lives in American suburbs where they were a majority in their schools, have never felt real anti-Semitism. They really may believe the problem is Israel. They believe that if Israel would only assimilate, if Israel would only absorb punishment quietly and perhaps even disappear, no one would ever hate a Jew. When they get to university, they are brutally inculcated by their professors and the political cadre to be anti-Zionist or else. Some resist and they experience the real anti-Jewishness then.

I am older. My grandparents were working class Russian immigrants. I never lived anywhere where I had even the illusion of being a majority. I was eight years old when my parents impressed upon me that whatever I did, good or bad, it would reflect on all Jews, everywhere. Like it or not, we are Jews first to the world and people only a dim second. And I know from experience that if I resist, eventually, I will be blamed by virtue of my stiff-necked Jewishness.

Alouette is right: they are out to get us and we are trained to not give them any excuse. Winning, succeeding, resisting are all that sort of excuse.


All Jews are not cowering, but all Jews know that we will be blamed, no matter what the Muslims or the other Nazis do. Fear is realistic. At some point, the hatred will break into the open in the West and it will go beyond hating Zionism and crafting some weak response to the effect that to be anti-Zionist is not to be anti-Jewish.

However, I think it is best to have the hatred out in the open. It is like lancing a boil. So, they will react against us. At least it will be overt and we have a Western cultural bias against the Holacaust in our favor. While we know we will be blamed, we also know that we can never again just go along until we are interned and expelled and wiped out.

Who does the average Western hater fear the most: Jews or Muslims? They are going to have to choose, IMO. If they side with the Muslims, then we at least know just who the enemy is and where they stand.


13 posted on 08/15/2006 6:02:38 AM PDT by reformedliberal ("Eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years." Ayatollah Khomeini)
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14 posted on 08/15/2006 6:02:41 AM PDT by SJackson (The PilgrimsóDoing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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To: Esther Ruth
Cowering doesn't make things better. Battered spouse syndrome?
15 posted on 08/15/2006 6:05:49 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: SampleMan
What IS the kid to do if the whole world/planet chooses appeasement over destroying the bullying that is seeking to destroy him? What are his options? The world has taken a vote and voted YES, the kid will be the bully's punching bag.

This is way way bigger than a battered spouse's situation. Makes her journey to freedom look like a cake walk. One wicked man to flick off. Israel has the whole world wanting to appease it's bully. This isn't norman vincent peele, wish upon a star stuff.
16 posted on 08/15/2006 6:38:28 AM PDT by Esther Ruth (Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The LORD is thy keeper!)
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To: reformedliberal

The Jews have a legitimate right to be paranoid. Indeed, some are out to get them - but not everyone. I have met Jews that thought EVERYONE was out to get them, especially Christians. That is a tragic misunderstanding and the loss of an opportunity to find refuge among friends.


17 posted on 08/15/2006 8:56:31 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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Please don't take this in the wrong way. I understand your point, as I am married to a Christian and my closest friends are Christians.

Many Jews prefer to not need to *take refuge* anywhere. I think many who vote and identify liberal are placing their trust in *diversity*. They often are shocked to find out that Judaism isn't considered *diverse*.Within the left, many Jews have to publicize their self-hatred in order to continue being included.

It is such a complex issue. We all know there are Righteous Gentiles, but at the same time,people just feel more comfortable trusting those who face the same situations as themselves. People like me, who don't live in areas with a lot of Jews and also aren't leftists can get tired of being exotic and of being queried constantly on the Jewish mindset or political affiliations.

I grew up in an area with a lot of Birchers. To really date myself, I was in high school when Israel controlled the Gaza Strip. Our small group of Jewish kids used to meet in the second row of the study hall before homeroom. We called it the Gaza Strip because we were surrounded on all sides by enemies.

My athletic brother was constantly in trouble with Christian jocks because Jews were not supposed to win at sports. I was in third grade when a neighbor kid, a Catholic, told me bluntly:"This is the way it is: the n****** are on the bottom, then come the Jews, then come the Catholics and then comes everybody else, with the Episcopalians and the Methodists on top."

So, if this is the reality one grows up with in the American heartland, it is difficult to make changes. If it is difficult for someone like me, just think how hard it is for someone who grew up in a predominately Jewish suburb in Long Island or anywhere else where large communities of Jews are common. Sometimes, inadvertantly, even my husband or close friends will blithely make some comment about Jews or Judaism that isn't exactly bigoted, but betrays that they don't consider Jews as just the same as everyone else. I am not paranoid about them, but if even they make this distinction, in however offhand a manner, I cannot be certain of the ones I don't really know all that well.

Every visible minority knows these sorts of situations. It is only those who grew up secure in their belief that they are individuals first and members of a group second who have difficulty with it. I guess you all just have to try to understand things from the others' position. I hear frustration from white Christian Americans about changing demographics, about becoming a visible minority in their own country and their own neighborhoods and about blatant anti-Christian bigotry. Some Jews understand what you are experiencing, because that is what we have lived with, too.
18 posted on 08/15/2006 10:15:41 AM PDT by reformedliberal ("Eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years." Ayatollah Khomeini)
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To: Esther Ruth
All I know is that protecting the bully is going to make the victim an even bigger target.

The words "Live Free or Die" have application here.

During the growth of NAZI Jew bashing, the popular notion among Jews was that they shouldn't resist, should keep a low profile, and dare not be seen as provocative. That didn't work out very well.

What IS the kid to do if the whole world/planet chooses appeasement over destroying the bullying that is seeking to destroy him? What are his options? The world has taken a vote and voted YES, the kid will be the bully's punching bag.

Do you want me to empathize, sympathize, or condone? I think giving in to the merciless is foolhardy.

19 posted on 08/15/2006 11:04:07 AM PDT by SampleMan
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