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Pa. Sued Over Electronic Voting Machines
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| 15 Aug
| Patrick Walters
Posted on 08/16/2006 5:27:38 AM PDT by xzins
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To: muawiyah
Look, if you want to vote and the system is to count hands, then it's practical to show up
I think you will quickly find that those that are unemployed will be over-represented.
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posted on
08/16/2006 6:34:32 AM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: P-40
Not necessarily.
each pre printed ballot is a chance for fraud and theft.
HOWEVER, by comparison, the actual machines can be guarded and secured against a third party (see union boss example).
Ther SHOULD be an audit trail. It just must be an audit trail which does not involve print shops or printers outside of the voting place.
42
posted on
08/16/2006 6:38:12 AM PDT
by
longtermmemmory
(VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
To: NonValueAdded
I think that Florida demonstrated that some folks aren't able to punch out chads, get pencil marks in the right place, etc. Having that part done electronically and then verified by the voter is all right by me.
43
posted on
08/16/2006 6:43:48 AM PDT
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
To: sport
I was opposed to paperless machines before Florida ever happened. I think anything that is not verifiable is an error that will eventually get abused.
I wonder how banks handle money? Do they rely totally on electronic digits with no supporting documentation?
44
posted on
08/16/2006 6:48:49 AM PDT
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
To: All
This helpful lawsuit brought to you by:
Friends of a United Nations controlled America, article 109 and the Global Government.
*We will drop off your international tax bill when we come to disarm you.
45
posted on
08/16/2006 6:52:58 AM PDT
by
DaveTesla
(You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
To: DMark
I didn't think it was the case with ours, although I could be wrong.
If I understood it right, our system involved a mechanical gauge from which the count was recorded by certified officials watched by representatives from both parties & was checked by both parties before the election to make sure nobody got a head start so to speak.
Are you a Pennsylvanian? I understood that the entire state had to be electronic starting with the May primary.
46
posted on
08/16/2006 6:54:00 AM PDT
by
Tribune7
To: Red Badger
One for the voter to check his or her selections?
Don't you mean one for the voter to turn in to his union rep to prove he voted for the 'right' candidate, (even if he personally wanted to vote for the other candidate)? Or one to turn in to the guy who is giving out a pack of cigs for each Dem vote?
47
posted on
08/16/2006 6:54:52 AM PDT
by
sportutegrl
(A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
To: NeoCaveman
They also claimed that Pat Buchanan could not have gotten those votes because Jews live in that county. But he got roughly the same amount of votes that the Reform Party candidate for congress got two years before.
48
posted on
08/16/2006 6:55:07 AM PDT
by
massgopguy
(massgopguy)
To: longtermmemmory
the actual machines can be guarded
And if the actual machine is dickied with before it is even used, or if the information it collected is never used at all, no one will be the wiser once all is said and done.
49
posted on
08/16/2006 6:55:54 AM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: DaveTesla
I'm sorry, but I disagree. It's always been the conservatives in the past who have insisted on honest, verifiable elections.
Paperless electronic voting is ripe for EASY fraud. Worse than that, it is ripe for manipulation by powerful forces.
Elections must remain local for America to remain free. They must be voted locally, tabulated locally, and verified locally. The more separate units in a system, the harder the system is to manipulate.
50
posted on
08/16/2006 6:57:19 AM PDT
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
To: sportutegrl
It could be made part of the law that the voter's check receipt must be shredded at the door before the voter leaves.............
51
posted on
08/16/2006 6:58:38 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
(Is Castro dead yet?........)
To: xzins
Going back to the old system is not the answer.
And why is a Marxist organization suing the State of Pa?
Can't use the old ballot stuffing tricks anymore?
Provide everyone with a voter card and use ATM's to do the voting.
(What show id?!).
Notice the Democrat / Commies are doing all the screaming.
And as far as these commie money laundering organizations, I am against them tampering with our voting systems.(not that they haven't been doing it for decades.)
52
posted on
08/16/2006 7:09:23 AM PDT
by
DaveTesla
(You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
To: xzins
Supposed electronic voting used a system similar to online polls: 1. Let (only) the voter see the current tallies. 2. After voting, the voter sees the new tallies and checks that his vote increased the total for his candidate. Report each machine's vote totals online. Poll watchers could vote late in the day and then check to see if the reported totals match what was on their machine after they voted.
53
posted on
08/16/2006 7:10:20 AM PDT
by
sportutegrl
(A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
To: muawiyah
Exactly. The only reason the democrats are cryng foul is that electronic voting is cutting into their stealing of elections - the good old fashioned way of paper ballots.
To: longtermmemmory
"HOWEVER, by comparison, the actual machines can be guarded and secured against a third party (see union boss example). "
Absolutely right!
It is called chain of custody. It is more accountable since there is less handling.
55
posted on
08/16/2006 7:12:16 AM PDT
by
DaveTesla
(You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
To: P-40
That may be why free beer was always made available.
56
posted on
08/16/2006 7:40:52 AM PDT
by
muawiyah
To: xzins
Yes, "powerful forces", and if the "powerful forces" can manipulate elections I assure you they can dispense with them and not bother manipulating them.
57
posted on
08/16/2006 7:43:05 AM PDT
by
muawiyah
To: muawiyah
I don't think so.
It's one thing to be a shadow aristocracy. It's quite another to proclaim yourself as such.
58
posted on
08/16/2006 9:44:14 AM PDT
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
To: xzins
My brother were saying the same thing to each other.
Evidently the Democrats discovered that it was not as easy as they were led to believe it would be to steal elections using them.
Lies, deceit, and treachery are the only three things that Democrats know.
59
posted on
08/16/2006 9:50:26 AM PDT
by
sport
To: sport
In Ohio they've started to require proof of identity in order to vote....a picture ID, driver's license, etc. issued by a public authority.
The democrats are up in arms.
I think it's a great idea. Fair elections require verified voters and verified votes....and carefully watched vote counters.
60
posted on
08/16/2006 9:59:12 AM PDT
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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