Skip to comments.KERRY WAS RIGHT ABOUT TERROR WAR
Posted on 08/16/2006 7:19:55 AM PDT by presidio9
FIVE weeks have passed since the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers provoked Israel to launch its most unsatisfactory military operation in 58 years. What problem has been solved, or even ameliorated? Hezbollah, often using World War II-vintage rockets, has demonstrated the inadequacy of Israel's policy of unilateral disengagement - from Lebanon, Gaza, much of the West Bank - behind a fence. Hezbollah has willingly suffered (temporary) military diminution in exchange for enormous political enlargement. Hitherto, Hezbollah in Lebanon was a "state within a state." Henceforth, the Lebanese state may be an appendage of Hezbollah. Hezbollah is an army that, having frustrated the regional superpower, suddenly embodies, as no Arab state ever has, Arab valor vindicated in combat with Israel.
The "new Middle East," the "birth pangs" of which we supposedly are witnessing, reflects the region's oldest tradition, the tribalism that preceded nations. The faux and disintegrating nation of Iraq, from which the middle class, the hope of stability, is fleeing, has experienced in these five weeks many more violent deaths than have occurred in Lebanon and Israel. U.S. Gen. George Casey says 60 percent of Iraqis recently killed are victims of Shiite death squads. Some are associated with the Shiite-controlled Interior Ministry, which resembles a terrorist organization.
The London plot against civil aviation confirmed a theme of an illuminating new book, Lawrence Wright's "The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11." The theme is that better law enforcement, which probably could have prevented 9/11, is central to combating terrorism. F-16s are not useful tools against terrorism that issues from places such as Hamburg (where Mohamed Atta lived before dying in
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F* George Will. Another moderate gone over to the darkside.
More blather from a confirmed Bush-hater. George Will is like that old pair of shoes in the closet, they might still look ok from the outside, but when you try to wear them, you're reminded that they never did fit right, they make your feet hurt, and now, many years later, they STINK.
I think George Will has been hit on the head by one too many foul balls. He misses the entire point about law enforcement versus military responses to terrorism - what can be done against those plotting to attack you. If we are at war, we can go to extraordinary steps against terror cells that we could not do in a law enforcement footing. And we can take actions such as killing an al Qaeda big with a Hellfire in Yemen fired from a UAV - something that is outside the normal realm of law enforcement.
Will should stick to his masturbatory ruminations on sabermetrics.
I imagine that better law enforcement would have helped Israel defeat Hezbollah and throw them out of Lebanon. Yup. Get 'er done!
Mr. Will, your headline should be the first clue that your premise must, by definition, be flawed. I will agree that it is still 4th and 20 and we're out of field goal range, but it was 4th and 30 before all this started.
Will must have drank the same Kool Aid that Huffington and Buchanan drank...they all seem to have dove into deep end that had no water in it...
I can't get past the first three words of the headline.
Will thinks that Ahmandinjad understands Nash's equilibrium.
OH, I thought I was going to read a joke..... oh, it is a joke.
Whew georgie will, I think that bow-tie you wear chokes the blood flow to your cerebellum, that or your bosses at the Wash Compost have been hitting you on the head with a constant stream of foul balls.
Mr. Will's contribution on this point would, it seems to me, be far more useful if he were trying to capture this one comment and divorce it from the rest of Mr. Kerry's fulminations. It is no help that Kerry's clock was right on this point given he's utterly stopped on every other one.
I would like to think that we could accept this point and incorporate it in our own right-minded analysis, not have to bear up with snide backtalk showing that there's this side and that one and we all are instructed to know that 'they' could never be right, even by accident.
Now, I'm pretty sure Kerry wandered onto this point accidentally and only because the debate happened to develop along the right lines. He's given a lot more credit for brains, insight and sensibility than he's ever shown, at least for any stretch of time. So, I'm also pretty sure he'd disavow the comment or at least contradict it, even though it is palpably sensible and could be a valid strategy, down the line.
What it is not is valid right now. If cops were the answer in Iraq, then there wouldn't be so many deadly bombings at, in and near police stations there. Clearly, this is still a war, even if George Will and John Kerry agree the enemy is too amorphous to apply standard military techniques against.
So, a very intelligent man makes a subtle point and, while it would be preferable if every sensible point could be raised at any time, this one is only going to increase the muddle that is this debate, not clarify it.
So I don't thank George Will for his current insights.
Law enforcement is defense. We can't remain on defense or the problem will only grow. The military is the offense. We can't win the game with only defense. The Bush approach (and the correct approach, IMO) is that we have the accelerate change in that region and get change the culture of death in the mideast. Otherwise, we'll be playing this game with defense only for the next 100+ years.
I had trouble with that, too. I'm sooooo sick and tired of Dems screeching 'coulda woulda shoulda.' What a collosal waste of time and hot air. F*in GET 'R DONE already...get Iran out of the picture before we regret it.
I guaranty you that Pakistan would not be pursuing the "law enforcement approach" at all but for the fact that GW Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq with the US military.
The military is needed to put pressure on these terrorist tolerating muslim nations.
George Will - Beltway Fever strikes again!
Who suggested everything should be bombed by an F-16? No one.
Yeah, sometimes the law enforcement appraoch is better, sometimes it's not. What a dumb-@ss.
Precisely. . . These nitpickers have a revelation that law enforcement is the key to success as if there are no law enforcement components involved right now. The FBI is not involved with the global war on terrorism! (/sarc)
Is it me, or did anybody else notice the upsurge in leftist BS posing as 'moderating voices' in today's press? (Obama, Will, and Lamont)
This is a clear case of Hairspray Poinsoning!!! It has eaten his brain.
But our law enforcement can't profile, can't arrest illegal immigrants, and the FBI keeps telling us that attacks on the El Al counter at the LAX airport, and students blowing themselves up at football stadiums, and Muslims buying thousands and thousands of Tracfones, has nothing to do with terrorism.
And so, George, your point is?
You can't live in DC for that many years and remain sane.
....so let's get Jamie Corelick to draft up another memo to handcuff law enforcement....so we can have another commission to cover up the political correct, US is way too powerful,self hating,appeasement leaning,suicidal a$$holes who, with the help of the left, is going to be responsible for a few hundred thousand citizens next time.
Did those FBI files contain any embarassing info on (formerly) Conservative Beltway columnists?
I used to like will, but he seems completely out-to-lunch these days.
Hmmm very interesting George, but I have one question. If treating terrorism as a crime works so well, then how did 9/11 happen?
The revelation that Hezbollah never truly represented an effective threat to Israel proper, perhaps? The war has answered the question, "What would Iran have Hezbollah do if they had nuclear weapons?"
Israel's war with Hezbollah has made it crystal clear that pre-emptive measures are an imperative in confronting the Iranian nuclear threat, and much more likely that an attack on Iran will come to pass.
Neither Israel nor Hezbollah wins, but Iran surely loses, IMHO.
Yes George Will, everyone sees you, we know you are there; is that enough attention?
Nice way to get attention by breaking plates on the ground like a little babby George.
Will has a point! It is very possible that Kerry was right since he was on both sides of every issue. Naturally one of them had to be right
I just dropped by to say I quit reading this jerk a long time ago.
"Better law enforcement" should have STARTED with the Clinton administration NOT building WALLS between the agencies.
Will has finally succumbed to the basic left wing mental weakness--a belief that if things suck, what America did caused it and if we just stop what we're doing and admit we were wrong, it will get better.
The middle east sucks all on its own. It has sucked for forty years. Islam has sucked for 1,300 years. There's no single solution that will make it tidy. Perhaps the very best we can do is stop it from getting too much worse. Perhaps it will get a lot worse. And perhaps it will get better if we act wisely.
But what Will and Kerry propose is not using one of our tools--military action. They miss that inaction has consequences because the enemy will assuredly use all of its tools--a nuclear armed Iran exporting nuclear terror, for example.
We may get it either way. At least we would try to do something about it using our full toolkit while Will and Kerry wring their hands and talk about law enforcement--what, are we going to arrest the president of Iran for nuking NY?
W is partly guilty of the same thing. He still wants to fight a genteel war. To have everyone like us afterwards. What disturbs me is that the only argument on this issue is between folks who want to fight weak wars and those who want to give up. Meanwhile, we are spending MUCH less of our GDP on the military than we did thirty years ago because noone at the national level has suggested that we need to move it to Cold War levels.
Make no mistake about it. This is an existential struggle. Will has lost heart. That may be symptomatic of the fundamental and irreperable mental weakness of the west. Maybe it's time for us to be replaced by a more vigorous and self-confident culture. If I had my way, I would choose anything but Islam.
George Will is getting senile, confusing better intelligence gathering (eg., eliminating the Gorelick/Clinton "wall") with "better law enforcement". But then, maybe Will just wants to try to give credit to that simple scumbag Kerry where none is due.
George Will, you are an idiot.
Has the President EVER said that law enforcement was unnecessary? Hell no.
Has the President and GOP pushed the Patriot act, NSA electronic surveillance, long term detention and interrogation, offhsore Banking records surveillance; all while the NY Times leaked these "law enforcement" tools as the Democrats, including John F'n Kerry condemned them as well?
And Mr. Will, what were our options in Afghanistan for securing "law enforcement" deals with the Taliban to help stop the Al Qaeda plotting and training?
And Mr. Will, what were our options in Iraq for getting Saddam to quit funding terrorism, to quit supporting AQ schemes against the US, to stop giving terrorists phony passports and safe haven, and to guarantee that the WMDs he MOST CERTAINLY HAD would not end up in Boston Harbor?
And Mr. Will, why do you so bemoan the Israeli's failure to snuff out its enemy, Hezbollah, but you have no praise for our military snuffing out the Taliban and Saddamites?
And Mr. Will, as Iran continues to fund terrorists worldwide and continues on its path towards nuclear weapons, will it still be a strictly "law enforcement" issue?
Mr. Will, can you deal with terror states through law enforcement?
Mr. Will, is there no advantage to having Iraqi and Afghani govt's and their armies, which we are training, go aggressively after the terrorists in their own countries as opposed to the national armies being part and parcel of the terrorist underworld as they were pre 9-11?
And Mr. Will, will there be no advantage for the USA to have allies and bases in Iraq and Afghanistan when the inevitable war with Iran starts?
And Mr. Will, if John Kerry was right about the best way to win the war against the islamo-fascists, why were you too stupid at the time to see it and point out that the world and USA would be better off under a Kerry administration?.
George Will, you are a f****k idiot.
The first swamp can be drained given time... the latter one needs to be set afire first.
Hopefully, Mr. Will will get out of DC for a little vacation time in America. He needs it.
Hand wringing in DC seems to have become a bi-partisan competitive sport.
And hopefully, with last week's events, that point is almost here.
IIRC, that event coincided to some degree with his going, er, soft. Politically at least.
We've seen again..and again...and again...that personal life IS telling of political character.
(And to DUmmies who gleefully point to Ronald Reagan's divorce, I'd point out that it was apparently not RR who did the dumping there.)
ANyone else think George is trying to look more moderate to get the head job at ABC's, "This Week with George Will"? Stephie's numbers suck.
of course if liberals fought the war on crime like they face the war on terror they would want us to redeploy the cops outside of the cities becuase capturing criminals just creates more criminals /sarcasm off
F16s are quite useful for regime change. Many of the problems of Iraq would have been solved if our troops had proceeded ito Damascus after taking Bagdad. Other could have been sent to the Iranian border to establish a presence there. If there was ever a plan to do this, and among the follow on troops in Iraq there was a rumor that there was, it evidently was squashed was divided counsel in the administration.
actually kerry was right about the war,
of course its easy to be right about something when you take both sides
john kerry was wrong about the war before he was right about the war...
Sounds like this writer has the Walter Cronkite Tet Offensive Cliff's Notes.
How can someone be be declared the victor when they've lost every engagement, lost most of their hardware that they spent decades acquiring, lost a large part of their ground forces without any military affect on their opponent and didn't achieve any of their strategic objectives? They barely survived.
Kerry was right to vote to authorize it, but other than that, he has been wrong about everything in his pathetic life.
In other words, people like George Will wanted the war stopped before it fulfilled its purpose.....just like Kerry. See my tagline, George