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KERRY WAS RIGHT ABOUT TERROR WAR
NY Post ^ | August 16, 2006 | George Will

Posted on 08/16/2006 7:19:55 AM PDT by presidio9

FIVE weeks have passed since the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers provoked Israel to launch its most unsatisfactory military operation in 58 years. What problem has been solved, or even ameliorated? Hezbollah, often using World War II-vintage rockets, has demonstrated the inadequacy of Israel's policy of unilateral disengagement - from Lebanon, Gaza, much of the West Bank - behind a fence. Hezbollah has willingly suffered (temporary) military diminution in exchange for enormous political enlargement. Hitherto, Hezbollah in Lebanon was a "state within a state." Henceforth, the Lebanese state may be an appendage of Hezbollah. Hezbollah is an army that, having frustrated the regional superpower, suddenly embodies, as no Arab state ever has, Arab valor vindicated in combat with Israel.

The "new Middle East," the "birth pangs" of which we supposedly are witnessing, reflects the region's oldest tradition, the tribalism that preceded nations. The faux and disintegrating nation of Iraq, from which the middle class, the hope of stability, is fleeing, has experienced in these five weeks many more violent deaths than have occurred in Lebanon and Israel. U.S. Gen. George Casey says 60 percent of Iraqis recently killed are victims of Shiite death squads. Some are associated with the Shiite-controlled Interior Ministry, which resembles a terrorist organization.

The London plot against civil aviation confirmed a theme of an illuminating new book, Lawrence Wright's "The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11." The theme is that better law enforcement, which probably could have prevented 9/11, is central to combating terrorism. F-16s are not useful tools against terrorism that issues from places such as Hamburg (where Mohamed Atta lived before dying in

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: georgewill; hezbollah; israel; lebanon; mediabias; powerghraib; propaganda; terrorist; terrorists; waronterror; waronterrorism; waronterrorists
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1 posted on 08/16/2006 7:19:57 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

F* George Will. Another moderate gone over to the darkside.


2 posted on 08/16/2006 7:22:51 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: presidio9

More blather from a confirmed Bush-hater. George Will is like that old pair of shoes in the closet, they might still look ok from the outside, but when you try to wear them, you're reminded that they never did fit right, they make your feet hurt, and now, many years later, they STINK.


3 posted on 08/16/2006 7:22:51 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: presidio9

I think George Will has been hit on the head by one too many foul balls. He misses the entire point about law enforcement versus military responses to terrorism - what can be done against those plotting to attack you. If we are at war, we can go to extraordinary steps against terror cells that we could not do in a law enforcement footing. And we can take actions such as killing an al Qaeda big with a Hellfire in Yemen fired from a UAV - something that is outside the normal realm of law enforcement.


4 posted on 08/16/2006 7:23:21 AM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: presidio9

Will should stick to his masturbatory ruminations on sabermetrics.


5 posted on 08/16/2006 7:24:26 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: presidio9
The theme is that better law enforcement, which probably could have prevented 9/11, is central to combating terrorism.

I imagine that better law enforcement would have helped Israel defeat Hezbollah and throw them out of Lebanon. Yup. Get 'er done!

6 posted on 08/16/2006 7:24:59 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ( “I'm the Emperor, and I want dumplings!” (German: Ich bin der Kaiser und will Knödel.))
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To: presidio9

Mr. Will, your headline should be the first clue that your premise must, by definition, be flawed. I will agree that it is still 4th and 20 and we're out of field goal range, but it was 4th and 30 before all this started.


7 posted on 08/16/2006 7:25:13 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Tom Gallagher - the anti-Crist [FL Governor, 2006 primary])
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To: presidio9

Will must have drank the same Kool Aid that Huffington and Buchanan drank...they all seem to have dove into deep end that had no water in it...


8 posted on 08/16/2006 7:25:41 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: presidio9

I can't get past the first three words of the headline.


9 posted on 08/16/2006 7:26:07 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: dirtboy

Will thinks that Ahmandinjad understands Nash's equilibrium.


10 posted on 08/16/2006 7:26:19 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: presidio9

OH, I thought I was going to read a joke..... oh, it is a joke.


11 posted on 08/16/2006 7:26:56 AM PDT by Cate
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To: presidio9
F16s are very effective in fighting Islamofascist terror, but only if we have the fortitude to use them to destroy the states that sponsor it. Unfortunately the current administration has lost the will to do so. The Bush Doctrine has long since been lost in the swamps of Iraq and the State Department.
12 posted on 08/16/2006 7:28:32 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: presidio9
The official is correct that it is wrong "to think that somehow we are responsible - that the actions of the jihadists are justified by U.S. politics." But few outside the fog of paranoia that is the blogosphere think like that. It is more dismaying that someone at the center of government considers it clever to talk like that. It is the language of foreign-policy - and domestic-politics - unrealism.

Whew georgie will, I think that bow-tie you wear chokes the blood flow to your cerebellum, that or your bosses at the Wash Compost have been hitting you on the head with a constant stream of foul balls.

13 posted on 08/16/2006 7:28:44 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: presidio9

Mr. Will's contribution on this point would, it seems to me, be far more useful if he were trying to capture this one comment and divorce it from the rest of Mr. Kerry's fulminations. It is no help that Kerry's clock was right on this point given he's utterly stopped on every other one.

I would like to think that we could accept this point and incorporate it in our own right-minded analysis, not have to bear up with snide backtalk showing that there's this side and that one and we all are instructed to know that 'they' could never be right, even by accident.

Now, I'm pretty sure Kerry wandered onto this point accidentally and only because the debate happened to develop along the right lines. He's given a lot more credit for brains, insight and sensibility than he's ever shown, at least for any stretch of time. So, I'm also pretty sure he'd disavow the comment or at least contradict it, even though it is palpably sensible and could be a valid strategy, down the line.

What it is not is valid right now. If cops were the answer in Iraq, then there wouldn't be so many deadly bombings at, in and near police stations there. Clearly, this is still a war, even if George Will and John Kerry agree the enemy is too amorphous to apply standard military techniques against.

So, a very intelligent man makes a subtle point and, while it would be preferable if every sensible point could be raised at any time, this one is only going to increase the muddle that is this debate, not clarify it.

So I don't thank George Will for his current insights.


14 posted on 08/16/2006 7:29:26 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org)
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To: presidio9

Law enforcement is defense. We can't remain on defense or the problem will only grow. The military is the offense. We can't win the game with only defense. The Bush approach (and the correct approach, IMO) is that we have the accelerate change in that region and get change the culture of death in the mideast. Otherwise, we'll be playing this game with defense only for the next 100+ years.


15 posted on 08/16/2006 7:29:45 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: highball; presidio9

I had trouble with that, too. I'm sooooo sick and tired of Dems screeching 'coulda woulda shoulda.' What a collosal waste of time and hot air. F*in GET 'R DONE already...get Iran out of the picture before we regret it.


16 posted on 08/16/2006 7:29:55 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: presidio9

I guaranty you that Pakistan would not be pursuing the "law enforcement approach" at all but for the fact that GW Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq with the US military.

The military is needed to put pressure on these terrorist tolerating muslim nations.


17 posted on 08/16/2006 7:30:39 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: presidio9

George Will - Beltway Fever strikes again!


18 posted on 08/16/2006 7:31:19 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup ("Is it real? Or is it Reuters?")
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To: presidio9
F-16s are not useful tools against terrorism that issues from places such as Hamburg (where Mohamed Atta lived before dying in the North Tower of the World Trade Center) and High Wycombe, England.

Who suggested everything should be bombed by an F-16? No one.

Yeah, sometimes the law enforcement appraoch is better, sometimes it's not. What a dumb-@ss.

19 posted on 08/16/2006 7:32:28 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: dirtboy

Precisely. . . These nitpickers have a revelation that law enforcement is the key to success as if there are no law enforcement components involved right now. The FBI is not involved with the global war on terrorism! (/sarc)

Is it me, or did anybody else notice the upsurge in leftist BS posing as 'moderating voices' in today's press? (Obama, Will, and Lamont)


20 posted on 08/16/2006 7:33:30 AM PDT by cyberdasher (www.wikistan.com)
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To: presidio9

This is a clear case of Hairspray Poinsoning!!! It has eaten his brain.


21 posted on 08/16/2006 7:34:39 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: presidio9

But our law enforcement can't profile, can't arrest illegal immigrants, and the FBI keeps telling us that attacks on the El Al counter at the LAX airport, and students blowing themselves up at football stadiums, and Muslims buying thousands and thousands of Tracfones, has nothing to do with terrorism.

And so, George, your point is?


22 posted on 08/16/2006 7:36:42 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: presidio9
The Islamic idiots will keep this "war" up until the average citizen of this country becomes mad enough to force our leaders in to a decisive, no holds barred win. Any other actions will simply emboldens these idiots.
23 posted on 08/16/2006 7:36:55 AM PDT by RAY
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To: Perdogg

You can't live in DC for that many years and remain sane.


24 posted on 08/16/2006 7:38:14 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Perdogg
I'm curious.

After reading Will's columns over the last few years, does he even consider himself a Conservative anymore?

It seems he has "evolved," much in the mold of Justice Kennedy.

I can hardly remember a truly Conservative column from Will in the past few years.

Has he openly gone left?
25 posted on 08/16/2006 7:38:47 AM PDT by TitansAFC ("Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.")
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To: presidio9
" The theme is that better law enforcement, which proably could have prevented 9/11, is central to combating terrorism.

....so let's get Jamie Corelick to draft up another memo to handcuff law enforcement....so we can have another commission to cover up the political correct, US is way too powerful,self hating,appeasement leaning,suicidal a$$holes who, with the help of the left, is going to be responsible for a few hundred thousand citizens next time.

Doogle

26 posted on 08/16/2006 7:39:37 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th TFW...Ubon Thailand...408thMMS..."69"...Night Line Delivery...AMMO!!)
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To: presidio9

Did those FBI files contain any embarassing info on (formerly) Conservative Beltway columnists?


27 posted on 08/16/2006 7:40:53 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: cyberdasher
In the roadless, lawless area of Waziristan where bin Ladin may be, a predator drone with hellfire missles proved effective.

I used to like will, but he seems completely out-to-lunch these days.

28 posted on 08/16/2006 7:41:39 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: presidio9

Hmmm very interesting George, but I have one question. If treating terrorism as a crime works so well, then how did 9/11 happen?


29 posted on 08/16/2006 7:41:40 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: presidio9
FIVE weeks have passed since the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers provoked Israel to launch its most unsatisfactory military operation in 58 years. What problem has been solved, or even ameliorated?

The revelation that Hezbollah never truly represented an effective threat to Israel proper, perhaps? The war has answered the question, "What would Iran have Hezbollah do if they had nuclear weapons?"

Israel's war with Hezbollah has made it crystal clear that pre-emptive measures are an imperative in confronting the Iranian nuclear threat, and much more likely that an attack on Iran will come to pass.

Neither Israel nor Hezbollah wins, but Iran surely loses, IMHO.

30 posted on 08/16/2006 7:42:46 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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Yes George Will, everyone sees you, we know you are there; is that enough attention?
Nice way to get attention by breaking plates on the ground like a little babby George.


31 posted on 08/16/2006 7:43:41 AM PDT by Porterville (Hispanic Republican American Bush Supporter)
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To: presidio9

Will has a point! It is very possible that Kerry was right since he was on both sides of every issue. Naturally one of them had to be right


32 posted on 08/16/2006 7:44:52 AM PDT by slowhand520
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To: presidio9

I just dropped by to say I quit reading this jerk a long time ago.


33 posted on 08/16/2006 7:47:56 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: ClearCase_guy

"Better law enforcement" should have STARTED with the Clinton administration NOT building WALLS between the agencies.


34 posted on 08/16/2006 7:48:30 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: presidio9
Pakistan would not be cooperating in law enforcement if we hadn't acted militarily. I didn't notice that it was arresting many Al Quaeda before the invasion of Afghanistan.

Will has finally succumbed to the basic left wing mental weakness--a belief that if things suck, what America did caused it and if we just stop what we're doing and admit we were wrong, it will get better.

The middle east sucks all on its own. It has sucked for forty years. Islam has sucked for 1,300 years. There's no single solution that will make it tidy. Perhaps the very best we can do is stop it from getting too much worse. Perhaps it will get a lot worse. And perhaps it will get better if we act wisely.

But what Will and Kerry propose is not using one of our tools--military action. They miss that inaction has consequences because the enemy will assuredly use all of its tools--a nuclear armed Iran exporting nuclear terror, for example.

We may get it either way. At least we would try to do something about it using our full toolkit while Will and Kerry wring their hands and talk about law enforcement--what, are we going to arrest the president of Iran for nuking NY?

W is partly guilty of the same thing. He still wants to fight a genteel war. To have everyone like us afterwards. What disturbs me is that the only argument on this issue is between folks who want to fight weak wars and those who want to give up. Meanwhile, we are spending MUCH less of our GDP on the military than we did thirty years ago because noone at the national level has suggested that we need to move it to Cold War levels.

Make no mistake about it. This is an existential struggle. Will has lost heart. That may be symptomatic of the fundamental and irreperable mental weakness of the west. Maybe it's time for us to be replaced by a more vigorous and self-confident culture. If I had my way, I would choose anything but Islam.

35 posted on 08/16/2006 7:48:43 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: presidio9

George Will is getting senile, confusing better intelligence gathering (eg., eliminating the Gorelick/Clinton "wall") with "better law enforcement". But then, maybe Will just wants to try to give credit to that simple scumbag Kerry where none is due.


36 posted on 08/16/2006 7:48:49 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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George Will, you are an idiot.

Has the President EVER said that law enforcement was unnecessary? Hell no.

Has the President and GOP pushed the Patriot act, NSA electronic surveillance, long term detention and interrogation, offhsore Banking records surveillance; all while the NY Times leaked these "law enforcement" tools as the Democrats, including John F'n Kerry condemned them as well?

And Mr. Will, what were our options in Afghanistan for securing "law enforcement" deals with the Taliban to help stop the Al Qaeda plotting and training?

And Mr. Will, what were our options in Iraq for getting Saddam to quit funding terrorism, to quit supporting AQ schemes against the US, to stop giving terrorists phony passports and safe haven, and to guarantee that the WMDs he MOST CERTAINLY HAD would not end up in Boston Harbor?

And Mr. Will, why do you so bemoan the Israeli's failure to snuff out its enemy, Hezbollah, but you have no praise for our military snuffing out the Taliban and Saddamites?

And Mr. Will, as Iran continues to fund terrorists worldwide and continues on its path towards nuclear weapons, will it still be a strictly "law enforcement" issue?

Mr. Will, can you deal with terror states through law enforcement?

Mr. Will, is there no advantage to having Iraqi and Afghani govt's and their armies, which we are training, go aggressively after the terrorists in their own countries as opposed to the national armies being part and parcel of the terrorist underworld as they were pre 9-11?

And Mr. Will, will there be no advantage for the USA to have allies and bases in Iraq and Afghanistan when the inevitable war with Iran starts?

And Mr. Will, if John Kerry was right about the best way to win the war against the islamo-fascists, why were you too stupid at the time to see it and point out that the world and USA would be better off under a Kerry administration?.

George Will, you are a f****k idiot.


37 posted on 08/16/2006 7:49:26 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Hugin
The Bush Doctrine has long since been lost in the swamps of Iraq and the State Department.

The first swamp can be drained given time... the latter one needs to be set afire first.

39 posted on 08/16/2006 7:50:42 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: presidio9

Hopefully, Mr. Will will get out of DC for a little vacation time in America. He needs it.

Hand wringing in DC seems to have become a bi-partisan competitive sport.


40 posted on 08/16/2006 7:50:44 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: RAY
The Islamic idiots will keep this "war" up until the average citizen of this country becomes mad enough to force our leaders in to a decisive, no holds barred win.

And hopefully, with last week's events, that point is almost here.

41 posted on 08/16/2006 7:53:01 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Hugin

Nonsense.


42 posted on 08/16/2006 7:53:41 AM PDT by pissant
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To: presidio9
I lost respect for George Will a few years ago when he dumped his long-time wife, the mother of his children, for a new hottie.

IIRC, that event coincided to some degree with his going, er, soft. Politically at least.

We've seen again..and again...and again...that personal life IS telling of political character.

(And to DUmmies who gleefully point to Ronald Reagan's divorce, I'd point out that it was apparently not RR who did the dumping there.)

43 posted on 08/16/2006 7:55:43 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (Max Boot: Joe Wilson has sold more whoppers than Burger King)
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To: presidio9

ANyone else think George is trying to look more moderate to get the head job at ABC's, "This Week with George Will"? Stephie's numbers suck.


44 posted on 08/16/2006 7:56:16 AM PDT by bigjoesaddle ("Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: ClearCase_guy

of course if liberals fought the war on crime like they face the war on terror they would want us to redeploy the cops outside of the cities becuase capturing criminals just creates more criminals /sarcasm off


45 posted on 08/16/2006 8:00:40 AM PDT by edzo4
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To: Hugin

F16s are quite useful for regime change. Many of the problems of Iraq would have been solved if our troops had proceeded ito Damascus after taking Bagdad. Other could have been sent to the Iranian border to establish a presence there. If there was ever a plan to do this, and among the follow on troops in Iraq there was a rumor that there was, it evidently was squashed was divided counsel in the administration.


46 posted on 08/16/2006 8:01:31 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: pissant

actually kerry was right about the war,

of course its easy to be right about something when you take both sides

john kerry was wrong about the war before he was right about the war...


47 posted on 08/16/2006 8:02:59 AM PDT by edzo4
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To: presidio9
Hezbollah is an army that, having frustrated the regional superpower, suddenly embodies, as no Arab state ever has, Arab valor vindicated in combat with Israel.

Sounds like this writer has the Walter Cronkite Tet Offensive Cliff's Notes.

How can someone be be declared the victor when they've lost every engagement, lost most of their hardware that they spent decades acquiring, lost a large part of their ground forces without any military affect on their opponent and didn't achieve any of their strategic objectives? They barely survived.

48 posted on 08/16/2006 8:05:15 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: edzo4

Kerry was right to vote to authorize it, but other than that, he has been wrong about everything in his pathetic life.


49 posted on 08/16/2006 8:06:04 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Perdogg
FIVE weeks have passed since the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers provoked Israel to launch its most unsatisfactory military operation in 58 years.

In other words, people like George Will wanted the war stopped before it fulfilled its purpose.....just like Kerry. See my tagline, George

50 posted on 08/16/2006 8:06:23 AM PDT by Loud Mime (An undefeated enemy is still an enemy.......war has a purpose.)
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