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Have you heard the one about the Jews?
The Times ^ | August 15, 2006 | Jamie Glassman

Posted on 08/16/2006 9:26:08 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

THERE’S NOTHING I like more than a Jewish joke. It’s the anti-Jewish ones I’m not so keen on.

Wandering through the streets of Edinburgh during the world’s largest arts festival, you never know what sight or sound you will be bombarded with next. Half-naked men on 6ft stilts meander by, half-naked girls rush to sell you their show, troops of Japanese acrobats tumble past. But I wasn’t prepared for the verbal assault I got when I wandered into a comedy gig this week.

There have always been anti- Semitic jokes. But you know times are changing when you go along to a stand-up show at the Pleasance Courtyard at the Edinburgh Fringe and you hear audience members shouting “Throw them in the oven” when the comic suggests kids should stop playing Cowboys and Indians and replace it with Nazis and Jews.

Stand-up comedy is as good a prism as any through which to look at the changing attitudes in our society. If my past few days are anything to go by then it is becoming increasingly acceptable to hate the Jews. Again.

I’ve seen two comics so far who have been happy to amuse their crowds with Holocaust gags. I’m not sure which to be the more concerned about.

One was a left-leaning angry Australian conspiracy theorist, Steve Hughes, whose show The Storm is an assault on all things Western. “I want to bash Condoleezza Rice’s brain to bits and kill that f****** Jew Richard Perle.” Hughes is the one at the Pleasance Courtyard while Perle is an adviser to George W. Bush as he was to Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton on foreign affairs.

The second was a far more charming African-American comic who for much of the show was thoughtful, funny and even quite sweet. But he seemed to have a problem with Jews, too. Reginald D. Hunter is doing sell-out shows in the new E4-sponsored venue, the Udderbelly. Three hundred come along every night to see Hunter’s Pride and Prejudice and Niggas. You should see the poster.

I was laughing along until he announced that he was about to be extremely controversial and break the last taboo of stand-up comedy. Long silent pause. "Jeeeeews" Another long pause with some giggles from the audience. "You see, you’re not allowed to say that."

He went on to say how its illegal to deny the Holocaust in Austria. He has a good mind to go to Austria, stand in the street and say the Holocaust didn’t happen so that he could get arrested and tell the judge he was talking about the Rwandan holocaust. Whether or not he thought there should be a law against going to Rwanda and denying that genocide, he didn’t say.

By claiming that making a joke about Jews is the one last, great comic taboo, he simultaneously provides the moral justification for a crack at the Jews and he silences them from the right to complain, as this would only confirm the unspoken premise: that Jews are overprotected in society or even worse that Jewish media controllers are obsessed with silencing any criticism of their own.

His joke is essentially one about freedom of speech and selective Jewish control of that freedom, but he gives the lie to his true feelings by his choice of example. Of all the possible targets, of all the things he might wish to say, his complaint is that he is not permitted to parrot the greatest anti-Semitic slur of the last hundred years — that the Holocaust never happened. As a believer in free speech, I am not convinced by the criminalisation of Holocaust denial, but that does not mean I am confused about the motives of those who wish to utter it.

The great Lenny Bruce, a comedian who suffered endlessly at the hands of the American authorities for the right to freedom of speech and to break taboos, once did a bit that began: “Are there any niggers here tonight?” His liberal audience was initially shocked at this racist outburst, but as the monologue continued he made it clear that it was “the suppression of the word that gives it the power”. That was taboo-busting. That was a righteous plea for freedom of speech.

The African-American comedian Dick Gregory was in attendance that night. He subsequently published a book entitled Nigger, and dedicated it: “Dear Momma, Wherever you are, if you ever hear the word ‘nigger’ again, remember they are advertising my book.”

It’s hard to imagine a Jew reacting similarly to Hunter’s bit. The question of what is acceptable material for comedy is always going to be a complex one to answer. Comedians should certainly be allowed to say anything. In fact, it is their role and their duty to be breaking taboos where they need to be broken. But comics do have an obligation to think about whom they might be offending with their material and whether or not those who say they are offended are right to be.

These questions are not entirely foreign to me. As a producer and writer on The Ali G Show, I have been accused of racism, among other things, in the past. All three characters in that show had their prejudices but I hope all thinking people would see the satire not far below the surface.

Borat, the fictional Kazakhstani journalist, was overtly anti-Semitic. Sacha Baron Cohen would dangle Borat’s anti-Semitism in front of our interviewees and we would all be shocked and amazed at how many of them would take the bait and join in. The Country Bar in Phoenix, Arizona, where the crowd sang along to Throw the Jew down the Well, was a terrifying example.

Jewish communal organisations in the US were concerned at the time that the tune would catch on and spur a rise of anti-Jewish attacks. Fortunately, most people saw it for the satire it was intended to be.

Borat was also prejudiced against blacks and Gypsies. Ali G was a homophobe and a misogynist. Austrian fashion presenter Bruno hated the disabled, all fat people, ugly people and the Jews too. Apologies if I have forgotten some colour, creed or lifestyle that we would use as bait.

But what is going on in Edinburgh now is no satire. For me, Hughes represents a growing trend among left-thinking people in this country and around the world to accept as dogma that those on the Left should hate Bush, Blair, American imperialism, Israel and, while we’re at it, the Jews. It is a cultural trend that I’ve found increasingly evident but never before has the Jew-hating element been so overt. This week has confirmed that my Jewish paranoia is not entirely unfounded. As the old saying goes: “Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get me.”

Hughes wasn’t one for the odd remark or the clever comment; he waxed lyrical on how Osama bin Laden is far less of a threat than Dick Cheney, before defending Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian President, saying he has no intention of destroying Israel, he has just been misquoted.

Yet I sat in that audience and I didn’t heckle. In hindsight it is heartening that half of his audience sat in stunned silence, as I did, for most of his show; but at the time it was the other half of the audience who were whooping along and lapping him up that made the greater impression.

As for Hunter, he seems like a nice guy, well meaning and at times very funny. While Hughes did little to hide his Jew-hatred, in a way it is even more disheartening that Hunter is so keen to make the Holocaust fair game.


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1 posted on 08/16/2006 9:26:12 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative
For the Left, hate of Bush, America, Jews and Israel isn't satire. Its dead serious business.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

2 posted on 08/16/2006 9:29:57 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Jackie Mason is the one who RULES!


3 posted on 08/16/2006 9:30:00 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: goldstategop

The one good thing is that more and more American Jews are moving towards conservatism.


4 posted on 08/16/2006 9:31:46 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
If these guys were "antiZionist" but also antiterrorist, they be telling some good "muslim jokes" too.

They are terrorist sympathizers and an ugly breed. They are doing the work of Goebbels.
5 posted on 08/16/2006 9:32:49 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: weegee

Well, leftist liberals form their political leanings based on fashion, whereas modern jews are increasingly forming theirs based on survival.


6 posted on 08/16/2006 9:36:24 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yeah, only 76% voted for Kerry.


7 posted on 08/16/2006 9:36:43 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

30 years ago, it would have been 90%.


8 posted on 08/16/2006 9:37:53 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: weegee

It's apparently just a hop, skip and a jump from "pro-Palestinian" to "antiZionist" to "antisemite" for the majority of leftists.


9 posted on 08/16/2006 9:39:33 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: West Coast Conservative
By claiming that making a joke about Jews is the one last, great comic taboo, he simultaneously provides the moral justification for a crack at the Jews and he silences them from the right to complain, as this would only confirm the unspoken premise: that Jews are overprotected in society or even worse that Jewish media controllers are obsessed with silencing any criticism of their own.

HORSEZOGBY

The "establishment" that the counterculture railed against has been unseated. The counterculture baby boomers ARE the establishment today. And with them came the politically correct liberal agenda.

If you make jokes counter to modern liberal ideology, then you are guilty of thoughtcrime.

Liberals are decidedly proPalestinian, propLebanese war. Israel is the enemy in their eyes.

Make some jokes about suicide bombers ("they blow up so fast", said one grieving mother, global warming kooks, abortion, homosexuals, animal rights wackos, etc... and you are a "hater".

10 posted on 08/16/2006 9:39:37 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: West Coast Conservative

What's the difference between a Jewish mother and a terrorist?


Sometimes, you can reason with a terrorist.


11 posted on 08/16/2006 9:42:06 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: West Coast Conservative
Hughes wasn’t one for the odd remark or the clever comment; he waxed lyrical on how Osama bin Laden is far less of a threat than Dick Cheney, before defending Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian President, saying he has no intention of destroying Israel, he has just been misquoted.

None of this is comedy. It is political venting.

Unless his claims that Mr. goat sex was misquoted are just a joke.

12 posted on 08/16/2006 9:42:52 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: West Coast Conservative

Rabbi, why does a Jew always answer a question with a question?




So, my son, vye shouldn't a Jew answer a kvestion mit a kvestion?


13 posted on 08/16/2006 9:43:30 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Actually, Reagan did better than Bush.


14 posted on 08/16/2006 9:48:18 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: RegulatorCountry
It's apparently just a hop, skip and a jump from "pro-Palestinian" to "antiZionist" to "antisemite" for the majority of leftists.

The abstract below is from the August, 2006 edition of The Journal of Conflict Resolution, a respected journal:

Anti-Israel Sentiment Predicts Anti-Semitism in Europe

Edward H. Kaplan
School of Management, Yale University; Department of Epidemiology and Public Health, School of Medicine, Yale University; Department of Chemical Engineering, Faculty of Engineering, Yale University

Charles A. Small
Institute for Social and Policy Studies, Yale University, Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism and Policy

In the discourse surrounding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, extreme criticisms of Israel (e.g., Israel is an apartheid state, theIsrael Defense Forces deliberately target Palestinian civilians), coupled with extreme policy proposals (e.g., boycott of Israeli academics and institutions, divest from companies doing business with Israel), have sparked counterclaims that such criticisms are anti-Semitic (for only Israel is singled out). The research in this article shines a different, statistical light on this question: based on a survey of 500 citizens in each of 10 European countries, the authors ask whether those individuals with extreme anti-Israel views are more likely to be anti-Semitic. Even after controlling for numerous potentially confounding factors, they find that anti-Israel sentiment consistently predicts the probability that an individual is anti-Semitic, with the likelihood of measured anti-Semitism increasing with the extent of anti-Israel sentiment observed.

15 posted on 08/16/2006 9:48:44 AM PDT by untenured
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

How many Jewish mothers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Never mind...I'll just sit here in the dark.


16 posted on 08/16/2006 9:48:49 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (You're never more than a half-step away from a good note.)
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To: Mamzelle

Personally I am Jewish and do not know one Jew who voted for Kerry and that surprised me.

Count me as very hard right conservative


17 posted on 08/16/2006 9:51:34 AM PDT by Dov in Houston
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To: stephenjohnbanker

So the end of self-hatred is only 54 years away!


18 posted on 08/16/2006 9:53:24 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Mamzelle

That surprises me. I stand corrected.


19 posted on 08/16/2006 9:53:50 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: Dov in Houston

Good for you!

Now make 50 babies : )


20 posted on 08/16/2006 9:55:44 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: Dov in Houston

My ex-husband is Jewish. His brother is a Conservative Jew and they were raised in a liberal, athiestic home in Long Beach, California. Both are now conservative Republicans.


21 posted on 08/16/2006 9:57:48 AM PDT by bethtopaz (There will be peace in the Mideast when Arabs love their children more than they hate Israel. -Meir)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

No Thank you

Already have 6 Kids, nine Grandkids, 9 Great Granchildren and believe it or not we are all in homes that had "W" signs in the yards and on our cars.


22 posted on 08/16/2006 9:58:19 AM PDT by Dov in Houston
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To: West Coast Conservative
OK, so when will brave Steve and Reginald do Islamist jokes, a real taboo for comedians like them?

Right. Parallel universe required.

23 posted on 08/16/2006 10:00:26 AM PDT by polymuser (There is one enemy and one war.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I wonder what it is going to take for my extended family to become conservative. They live within the Hollywood-Liberal-Jewish-Bubble and the whole bubble tends to do things en masse. No courage to be different in THAT group. Other than Ben Stein, who else is there who would dare to be a conservative out of the closet?


24 posted on 08/16/2006 10:06:21 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Yes, Jacky Mason is great.

I think the Jews (and the EU) would be better off letting the stupid Holocaust denials go by without counter-attack. First of all, there is an important free-speech issue. Secondly, it just makes them seem to be hanging on desperately to a Victim status, when they would be better off taking a more positive, Winner, stand like the Israeli sabras tend to do.

25 posted on 08/16/2006 10:06:50 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: West Coast Conservative

Liberals are evil.


26 posted on 08/16/2006 10:07:38 AM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: West Coast Conservative
The African-American "comedian" Dick Gregory

Fixed it.

27 posted on 08/16/2006 10:07:57 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: stinkerpot65
Liberals are evil.

The liberals support those that would once again put Jews in ovens.

28 posted on 08/16/2006 10:11:29 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (You! Shake your junk!)
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To: SamuraiScot

I wonder how many black people he killed.

In the early 80's when I got the chance late night I used to listen to a nationalistic radical Black radio station.

Dick Gregory would come on with all sorts of conspiracy theories.

The strangest and most dangerous was telling the audience not to use condoms. He claimed that the "white man" puts the AIDS virus in condoms and that's how it's spread to the black community. From the response of callers, he was being listened too.


29 posted on 08/16/2006 10:14:43 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bush Doctrine- Old: Fight terrorists. New: Cease fire with terrorists.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Now make 50 babies : )

I made 9, now they have made 16 more. I'm halfway there :)

30 posted on 08/16/2006 10:15:45 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 106-107)
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; af_vet_rr; agrace; albyjimc2; Alexander Rubin; ...
FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel/Russian Jewry ping list.

Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.

31 posted on 08/16/2006 10:16:22 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 106-107)
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To: Yaelle
I like Larry David who is far from conservative, but I do enjoy his HBO series. He plays 'himself', a Jew, married to a Gentile. It's hilarious..the trouble he gets himself into.

I love the Jewish American Princess Jokes..

The Jewish American Princess Recipe Book Chapter One

. . . . . . . Reservations . . . . .

sw

32 posted on 08/16/2006 10:35:11 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (Daniel 7:25; 12:7; Revelation 13:5; 12:6.)
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To: Alouette
There are no elements of humor in these jokes, unless shocking people is one. Much of the Left is about shocking people. Hence the spectacles of brazen bohemian behavior at their parades, such at Gay ones and "Peace" ones. I think this whole crisis - especially lately but beginning after 9/11 - is instructive in the sense that for a long time the assumption was that Progressives were for Liberal ideas, for the downtrodden, and for protecting Jews and Israel. The Right, by a sloppy bit of logic, was linked to the Nazis, and was the presumed threat to Jews. Today, the greatest defenders of Israel are the so-called Religious Right and those parts of our country populated by the Scots-Irish political culture best described in James Webb's book "Born Fighting." Isn't ironic? I dare say that a man could get his teeth knocked out talking bad about Israel in the "redneck" parts of America and the same remark in the Liberal parts of America would receive at worst laughter and at best grimaces. Tell me who you want in your corner in a life and death struggle? And Israel remains today in such a struggle.
33 posted on 08/16/2006 10:41:04 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Civilization and democracy are under attack in Israel. Stand by her.)
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To: goldstategop

The leftist ideology is morphing into Naziism


34 posted on 08/16/2006 10:44:52 AM PDT by GeronL (flogerloon.blogspot.com -------------> Rise of the Hate Party)
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To: GeronL
The leftist ideology is morphing into Naziism

And islam is also a close cousin to the German Nazi meme.

And Jews are being pushed into the same corner as conservatives .... interesting match up.

Jews and Christian conservatives in one corner. Leftists, communists, secularists and muslims in another.

35 posted on 08/16/2006 10:59:37 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam is a subsingularity memetic perversion : (http://www.orionsarm.com/topics/perversities.html))
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To: untenured
...they find that anti-Israel sentiment consistently predicts the probability that an individual is anti-Semitic...

Isn't that obvious? Hardly need a formal academic study to prove it.

36 posted on 08/16/2006 11:03:32 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: West Coast Conservative

Once I figured out that the left is wrong about almost everything, it was simple to figure out the rest. Whatever they say, the opposite is true.

If they don't like Jews, there must be something good about Jews. If they don't like President Bush, he must be a pretty good President. And so forth.


37 posted on 08/16/2006 11:12:15 AM PDT by RoadTest (Secure our borders, not our marines.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Thanks for the post. I just returned from Edinburgh yesterday; I did not hear any of the street-corner "comedians" because it was too noisy in the places where we were.

es


38 posted on 08/16/2006 12:00:30 PM PDT by eddiespaghetti ( with the meatball eyes)
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To: Dov in Houston

: )


39 posted on 08/16/2006 12:33:37 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: Alouette

Fan-tastic!


40 posted on 08/16/2006 12:34:51 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: GeronL

The leftist ideology has always been Nazism (and Communism.)


41 posted on 08/16/2006 12:34:59 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Higher visibility leads to greater zottability.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
The writer is one of those showbiz types who apparently associates Judaism more with the entertainment industry than with G-d and the Torah. Why is it that blasphemies aimed at these latter are never considered "anti-Semitism?"

And Lenny Bruce was a schmuck. But so are the comics referred to in the article. However, defending Bruce's outrageous behavior while attacking the outrageous behavior of others with whom one disagrees is classic, stereotypical liberal behavior.

42 posted on 08/16/2006 4:45:42 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Re'eh, 'Anokhi noten lifneykhem hayom berakhah uqelalah.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

**The one good thing is that more and more American Jews are moving towards conservatism.**

Agree! I couldn't believe that Republicans actually thought a dimocrat bishop was doing the right thing today.


43 posted on 08/16/2006 9:23:27 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Me either!


44 posted on 08/16/2006 9:28:23 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: Alouette

I am a gentile, but I pray to God that Israel ignores this ersatz cease fire. As Thomas Sowell said today, this merely gives the terrorists a respite, and a chance to get more ammunition from Syria and Iran.


45 posted on 08/16/2006 9:32:02 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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46 posted on 08/17/2006 7:31:14 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Lonesome in Massachussets
THERE’S NOTHING I like more than a Jewish joke.

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A Jewish boy comes home from school and tells his mother he has a part in the play. She asks, "What part is it?" The boy says, "I play the part of the Jewish husband." The mother scowls and says, "Go back and tell the teacher you want a speaking part."

47 posted on 08/17/2006 5:15:59 PM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when ignored.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets; West Coast Conservative
What's the difference between a Jewish mother and a terrorist? .......... Sometimes, you can reason with a terrorist.

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Q: Why do Jewish mothers make great parole officers?

A: They never let anyone finish a sentence.

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Q: Why don't Jewish mothers drink?

A: Alcohol interferes with their suffering.

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When the doctor called Mrs. Liebenbaum to tell her that her check came back, she replied, "So did my arthritis."

:-)

48 posted on 08/17/2006 5:19:01 PM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when ignored.)
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