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Reserves Demo Calling For Gov't To Resign Tonight (Israelis Demand Gov't Resignation Alert)
Israel National News.com ^ | 08/17/06 | N/A

Posted on 08/17/2006 3:37:53 AM PDT by goldstategop

(IsraelNN.com) A group of reserve soldiers, who were recently discharged and are setting up a forum, have called upon Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Defense Minister Amir Peretz, and Foreign Minister Tsipi Livni to resign. Tonight the soldiers will be holding a demonstration at Rabin Square in Tel Aviv at 7p.m. The demonstration is expected to be the first of several, under the banner, “You failed – resign!”

In a petition publicized by the forum, the public is asked to sign the following: “We are very worried about the fate of the country. From all ends of the political spectrum, we are calling upon the government, headed by the prime minister, to take personal responsibility for its failure and resign. We believe that we have the power as individuals rallying together, to declare, ‘Never again!’”


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KEYWORDS: 2006israelsurrender; 2006israelwar; amirperetz; ehudolmert; govtresignation; idf; israel; israelnn; israelwar2006; neveragain; reservistsdemo; tzippylivni
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A group of Israeli army reservists are holding a demonstration in Tel Aviv's Rabin Square tonight - to call for the resignation of the Prime Minister and the government for its wartime failure. Their slogan, appropriately enough, is: "Never again!"

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

1 posted on 08/17/2006 3:37:54 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

Note to Israel: Next time around remember that you get what you vote for.


2 posted on 08/17/2006 3:39:30 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: goldstategop

I often wish that our own returning soldiers would be more politically active, as in telling the rats and the media to STFU.


3 posted on 08/17/2006 3:50:21 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: goldstategop

I didn't know John Kerry, Cindy Sheehan and John Murtha had duel citizenship.


4 posted on 08/17/2006 3:52:55 AM PDT by moonman (`)
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To: goldstategop

Ehud would be fine as, say, the mayor of some nice suburban town in America where his biggest concern is dog doo and parking spaces. As an Israeli leader tho, he ain't cuttting it.


5 posted on 08/17/2006 3:55:36 AM PDT by youngandgungho (If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything)
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To: youngandgungho
Olmert was the mayor of Jerusalem from 1989-2001. No one particularly remembers his tenure there.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

6 posted on 08/17/2006 3:56:49 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Who do they want in charge? I thought Olmert was supposed to be a skinny Sharon. Is Benjamin Netanyahu a hardliner?
7 posted on 08/17/2006 4:18:42 AM PDT by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSR Richard T. Blalock-USS Ramage)
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To: flynmudd

It's election time in Israel and this is politics at it's ugliest!


8 posted on 08/17/2006 4:34:28 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: goldstategop

In every American ar since Korea , America has fought "Limited wars". and lost.

You cannot win limited wars against people with no limits.


9 posted on 08/17/2006 4:36:05 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: OldFriend

So who's a "cowboy"?


10 posted on 08/17/2006 4:36:39 AM PDT by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSR Richard T. Blalock-USS Ramage)
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To: OldFriend

I am under the impression that Israel is a parliamentary democracy. In most models of this form of government an election is called when the government loses the confidence of parliament. Could someone explain what the procedure is in Israel.


11 posted on 08/17/2006 4:38:52 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: mewzilla
Note to Israel: Next time around remember that you get what you vote for.

Israel, like the state of New York, is not likely to vote out the socialists that cause such dangerous national security conditions. Did anything change after Clinton's weakening of pre-911 security mechanisms? It will take millions dying to change the voting preferences of those seeking to vote themselves free stuff.

12 posted on 08/17/2006 4:53:04 AM PDT by alrea
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Supposedly Olmert will go before the Parliament shortly.

All this chatter about how the war could have, should have, beeen won in seven days like in days of old are similar to the insanity here from the likes of Kennedy. He did the count on how quickly we defeated the Japanese and the Germans and wants to know how is it we are still in Iraq.

Urban warfare is horrifically dangerous to the Israeli's for more than just the danger to the soldiers.....it's fighting world opinion as well. Israel feels a special obligation to protect innocent life.

13 posted on 08/17/2006 4:58:07 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: alrea
Israel went back into Lebanon to clean out the hezzbollah once before and the people took to the streets with their anti war chants and the polls showed that the 'people' wanted Israel to cease and desist!

Not much different than the socialists, America haters and deniers of danger here in the US.

14 posted on 08/17/2006 5:00:23 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: flynmudd

Bibi is waiting in the wings. How sad for Israel.


15 posted on 08/17/2006 5:01:27 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: mewzilla
you get what you vote for.

Americans voted for Bill Clinton twice.

16 posted on 08/17/2006 5:24:00 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 108-112)
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17 posted on 08/17/2006 5:25:18 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 108-112)
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To: mewzilla

Encouraging to see that Israel still has a warrior class......perhaps there is still hope for the civilized world yet.


18 posted on 08/17/2006 5:41:54 AM PDT by newcthem (Brought to you by the INFIDEL PARTY)
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To: mewzilla

Here, here.


19 posted on 08/17/2006 5:46:32 AM PDT by giobruno
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To: goldstategop

Did these guys want more fighting or more talk?


20 posted on 08/17/2006 5:46:33 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: OldFriend

Are you saying that Bibi is bad for Israel?


21 posted on 08/17/2006 5:47:55 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: sgtbono2002
You cannot win limited wars against people with no limits.

That's a good tagline for someone... I'm going to keep mine, though...

22 posted on 08/17/2006 5:48:44 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christ embraces sinners; liberals embrace the sin.)
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To: newcthem
Encouraging to see that Israel still has a warrior class...

It appears their male population has higher testosterone levels than ours.

23 posted on 08/17/2006 5:53:20 AM PDT by polymuser (There is one enemy and one war.)
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To: OldFriend

Why would you consider Bibi sad for Israel?


24 posted on 08/17/2006 5:56:24 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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To: flynmudd

"Is Benjamin Netanyahu a hardliner?"

He's as conservative, tough and hardline as they get. He long called for the death/imprisonment of Arafat when others were giving him a Nobel Peace Prize.


25 posted on 08/17/2006 6:01:22 AM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: em2vn
Who are the Israeli leaders that would do the most good?
26 posted on 08/17/2006 6:03:23 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence")
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To: moose2004

I love strong decisive men. I would vote for him in a heartbeat, but alas, I'm not eligible. I can instead pray for Israel to take a stand for their future and pray that the US does the same.


27 posted on 08/17/2006 6:05:53 AM PDT by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSR Richard T. Blalock-USS Ramage)
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To: mewzilla
That note is also valid for the US
Al the Freepers whining because the Republicans do not pay attention to they're favorite issue should remember this
In time of war there is only one issue WIN THE WAR
Donks appeaser should never again be allowed to be in power
28 posted on 08/17/2006 6:06:38 AM PDT by 1903A3
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To: mewzilla

They didn't vote for Olmert directly, did they?


29 posted on 08/17/2006 6:14:12 AM PDT by groovejedi ((Bolton for Prez!!!!!))
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To: goldstategop

Israel's version of Mike Bloomberg, eh?


30 posted on 08/17/2006 6:21:27 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: flynmudd

"Is Benjamin Netanyahu a hardliner?"

Yes Yes Yes, and we can only pray that this is the direction Israel is moving toward. This cease fire is only postponing a much greater loss of life. Savage put it simply last night: At some point Israel - or the US - will have to take out Iran's nuclear facility. It really is that simple


31 posted on 08/17/2006 6:32:18 AM PDT by TheeOhioInfidel
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To: OhioInfidel

Are we waiting for the August 22 Iran reply to the UN regarding their nuke capabilities? Why wait, let's take them out now and spare the suspense.


32 posted on 08/17/2006 6:35:38 AM PDT by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSR Richard T. Blalock-USS Ramage)
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To: goldstategop

Where can we donate?


33 posted on 08/17/2006 6:49:03 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: Raycpa

More fighting.


34 posted on 08/17/2006 6:50:21 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: alrea
Israel, like the state of New York,

FWIW, the state of NY is made up of red counties mostly. If Upstate had its own state, Downstate could have all the 'Rats and RINOs with our blessing.

35 posted on 08/17/2006 6:50:41 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: groovejedi
They didn't vote for Olmert directly, did they?

Nope, but they voted for the pols who did.

36 posted on 08/17/2006 6:51:26 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: samtheman; goldstategop
I wish... our own returning soldiers would be more politically active,

Unfortunately, they are. They're called democrats.

Conservatives are by nature not activists....including FR if you think about it. FR is a place to go hide and agree with each other anonymously. Freepers can be found recently at counter-protests, but nothing like what leftists do running around door-to-door telling people that John Kerry served in Vietnam.

As Rush says, " Did you know that John Kerry served in Vietnam?" Quick! Name a conservative veteran with that same name recognition and association with veteranness!

37 posted on 08/17/2006 6:51:31 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Alouette

Actually, the toon got less than half both times. Gore is the one who got over 50% of the popular vote, but not of the electoral vote (THANK GOODNESS!!!!)


38 posted on 08/17/2006 6:57:20 AM PDT by mathluv (Never Forget!)
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To: mathluv

Olmerde also received less than half the vote.


39 posted on 08/17/2006 7:05:20 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 108-112)
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To: mewzilla
Downstate could have all the 'Rats and RINOs with our blessing.

Sorry. I keep forgetting that. Should have said that the city of New York, like Israel, has voted in socialists that will get a few million killed before voters see the error of their ways.

40 posted on 08/17/2006 7:05:24 AM PDT by alrea
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To: mewzilla
Does New York have any kind of electoral college system?
41 posted on 08/17/2006 7:10:58 AM PDT by alrea (For sale: cute fixer upper! So. Lebanon. Comes with playground toys, rocket launchers, radars.)
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To: goldstategop

take Halutz with you too...


42 posted on 08/17/2006 7:14:39 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: SE Mom
And he accomplished what during his tenure as PM?

He has the same moral values as slick willie and managed to nearly destroy his party during his time in office. Sound familiar?

43 posted on 08/17/2006 7:25:10 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: mewzilla
The ceasefire was approved 24- 0 with one abstention.

Seems like it's not different there than here in the US.

Their pols are no different than our leftist pols.

44 posted on 08/17/2006 7:26:33 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: OldFriend
whether or not the IDF's original plan of northern landings (which they had been working on for *years*) would have worked or not is legitimately open to debate.

what is *NOT* debatable is that the a bosnia-style airwar, along with on-again off-again ground intervention, was worse than effective given the results we now have to live with.

sorry olmert, peretz, livni and halutz -- you guys are the ones who ratcheted up the kidnapping to a real war without having a gameplan... time to go.

45 posted on 08/17/2006 7:35:22 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: flynmudd

"Are we waiting for the August 22 Iran reply to the UN regarding their nuke capabilities? Why wait, let's take them out now and spare the suspense."

Everywhere I discuss this, the debate usually runs this spectrum: from the Democrats in denial, who think diplomacy should should go on ad naseum and think Iran is another propaganda device for more war(these same people often refer to Hezzies as a social netweork). Then there's Bush's staunch supporters, who believe that diplomacy will go on as long as it has to, but that those in Bush's admin. know every angle of the situation, wiegh their strategies, and force will be used when the time is appropriate. Then there's those on the right who are labeled more "hard-line" who think that the longer we wait to deal with Iran, the more problematic the situation becomes. In other words, take them out asap. They still respect the president but wish he would be even more aggressive than he already is. The Israel/Hezbollah conflict seems to follow the same line of debate.


46 posted on 08/17/2006 7:45:48 AM PDT by TheeOhioInfidel
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To: OhioInfidel

I must be a hardliner then. Why wait for the inevitable? How many times does Almadinanutjob need to say DEATH TO ISRAEL DEATH TO AMERICA before we take him seriously? He wants a fight, let's give him what he wants. So for me, it's DEATH TO ISLAMIC FACISTS everywhere. I don't care where they live.


47 posted on 08/17/2006 8:04:59 AM PDT by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSR Richard T. Blalock-USS Ramage)
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To: chilepepper
It wasn't just kidnapping. Soldiers were murdered in that attack. Remember the young boy who was kidnapped, murdered, and bombed.

Guess you wanted to wait to respond till the perfect plan was in place.

The Iranians had other ideas.

48 posted on 08/17/2006 8:10:07 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: 2001convSVT

Bibi for starters.


49 posted on 08/17/2006 8:28:59 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: goldstategop
It's a shame. Israel really needed a national unity government at this time. And, although many Freepers clearly disagree, I think the disengagement strategy (abandoning untenable settlements and basically imposing final status land divisions unilaterally in the absence of a negotiating partner) was and is sound.

There is really no other option excepting the untenable status quo on the one hand, or returning to full scale military governance of the disputed territories on the other. Although the later would clearly be to the benefit of the Palestinians (whatever they say) nothing is more obvious than that the political will to do this is nonexistent in Israel.

Israelis are understandably and irrevocably fed up with the thankless task of governing Palestinians, for which they are only demonized even when, objectively, they do a far better and more humane job of it than any Arab government (partially excepting Jordan). It just ain't gonna happen.

Once this is recognized then disengagement is the only option. HOWEVER a vigorous policy of deterrence is an absolutely ESSENTIAL component of the disengagement strategy. The Ohmert government has failed miserably in this regard, and the only way to reestablish deterrence is for it to resign.

50 posted on 08/17/2006 8:51:33 AM PDT by Stultis
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