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Fire rips through Islamic Center near San Diego
ap on Riverside Press Enterprise ^ | 8/17/06 | AP

Posted on 08/17/2006 9:48:43 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

EL CAJON

A fire ripped through an Islamic center early Thursday morning, causing $2 million in damages before it was put out, officials said.

The three-alarm fire at the Kurdish Community Islamic Center was reported just after 2 a.m. and burned for more than an hour before firefighters from 15 different crews extinguished it, said Monica Zech, a spokeswoman for the El Cajon Fire Department.

"When they got here, there was heavy smoke coming from the building and then the fire broke through the roof and flames were shooting through the roof," Zech said. "It's pretty much a total loss."

The cause of the fire in this east San Diego suburb was unknown. Investigators were unable to search for clues inside the building because it was unstable, Zech said. Instead, they used fire truck ladders to get an aerial view of the inside of the 800,000-square-foot community center, she said.

Arson investigators from the San Diego County Sheriff's Department, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the FBI were on the scene.

The FBI would become involved if it was determined that the fire was a hate crime, Zech said.

Members of the community center arrived early Thursday for morning prayer, only to find the center in ashes. Zech said the center's owner was out of town.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; churchburning; elcajon; fire; islamiccenter; kurdish; kurds; mosque; rips; sandiego
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1 posted on 08/17/2006 9:48:44 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Well sounds like a good start


2 posted on 08/17/2006 9:49:49 AM PDT by al baby
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To: NormsRevenge

Insurance scam.


3 posted on 08/17/2006 9:50:04 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: NormsRevenge

Work accident?


4 posted on 08/17/2006 9:50:20 AM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Members of the community center arrived early Thursday for morning prayer, only to find the center in ashes. Zech said the center's owner was out of town.

On his way out of the country after burning the evidence?

5 posted on 08/17/2006 9:50:49 AM PDT by MrEdd (More cheep than a flock of baby chickens.)
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To: al baby

Start in what direction? Anarchy?


6 posted on 08/17/2006 9:51:01 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: michigander

did I read it right? The fire did $2 million worth of improvements? lol.


7 posted on 08/17/2006 9:51:14 AM PDT by RolandBurnam (para mi tagline in ess spanyol markay dose)
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To: NormsRevenge

DEBBI FARR BAKER / Union-Tribune
An El Cajon fire department spokesperson looks at the damaged structure.
8 posted on 08/17/2006 9:51:37 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NormsRevenge

"the center's owner was out of town"

Could it be that they have figured out yet another way to take advantage of our system and laws by collecting insurance for more than the place is worth and stir up a hate crime investigation?


9 posted on 08/17/2006 9:51:45 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: NormsRevenge

Any secondary explosions reported? /s


10 posted on 08/17/2006 9:52:17 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Nanny Statists are Ameba's.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Do not be suprise if there is going to be more news reports happening more often, because I sense a HUGE angry backlash.


11 posted on 08/17/2006 9:52:26 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Reichstag fire?


12 posted on 08/17/2006 9:52:37 AM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: NormsRevenge

Spontaneous combustion.


13 posted on 08/17/2006 9:52:40 AM PDT by BigFinn
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To: NormsRevenge
mysterious lightning bolt?
14 posted on 08/17/2006 9:52:58 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: NormsRevenge

El Cajon mosque destroyed by fire

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060817-0912-bn17fire2.html


EL CAJON – A fire ripped through a mosque and community center early Thursday morning, destroying the building and causing more than $2 million damage.

No one was injured in the blaze which was reported at 2:09 a.m. at the Kurdish Community Islamic Center and Al-Madina Al-Munawara mosque on Magnolia Avenue between Chamberlain and Camden Avenues, said El Cajon City fire spokeswoman Monica Zech.

Firefighters from several agencies – including El Cajon, East County, La Mesa, Lemon Grove, Santee, San Miguel and San Diego – battled the three-alarm blaze, which officials believe started on the first floor in the center of the 2-story, 8,000 square-foot, brick and wood building.

The fire was extinguished by 3:21 a.m., Zech said. No one was inside the building at the time and no one was injured. Firefighters were still mopping up four hours later.

Zech said the fire burned very hot and quick and that when crews got there they found heavy smoke coming out of the structure.

“Just as they arrived, flames shot through the roof,” she said.

Forty-five firefighters with four ladder trucks battled the blaze from the outside because it was burning too intensely to go inside, Zech said.

Magnolia Avenue was shut down between Lexington and Washington Avenues until just before 7 a.m. as firefighters mopped up.

Zech said the blaze was estimated to have caused more than $2 million damage to the structure and its contents.

Investigators from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and the Sheriff's Department bomb and arson squad were looking into the cause of the blaze, Zech said. She said it was too early too say whether the fire was arson or accidental.

The ATF is automatically called in to help investigate fires in places of worship.

Parts of the second floor of the structure collapsed and officials later deemed the entire south part of the building too unstable to enter.

“That's slowing the investigation,” Zech said.

Doski Jamal from La Mesa, who said he regularly comes to the center with his family, arrived there just before 7 a.m. to look at the damage. The 40-year-old, who came to the United States in 1997 from the Kurdistan region of Iraq, said looking at the damage just broke his heart.

“This is very sad to see, this view,” he said as he looked at the heavily damaged portion of the building that he said housed the women's area.

Doski said he did not believe the blaze was deliberately set. He said the center has never received any kinds of threats of any kind and that its members get along well with the neighbors. He also said the building and the gate surrounding it are locked at night.

Doski said the only problem they have is with the homeless people who camp around the area. Earlier in the morning investigators talked at length with a man who appeared to be homeless who was sitting in the middle of some bushes. He was later seen walking away with his backpack.


15 posted on 08/17/2006 9:52:59 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Probably arson ... no crocdile tears here.

Watch, bet it will be "solved" faster then the string of church fires that were in the south.


16 posted on 08/17/2006 9:53:18 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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Any explosions? Secondary explosions? Kurdish? Shouldn't be a problem.


17 posted on 08/17/2006 9:53:20 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: NormsRevenge
The three-alarm fire at the Kurdish Community Islamic Center

If it was arson, I'd put money on Sunnis or Shiites.

18 posted on 08/17/2006 9:53:29 AM PDT by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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To: NormsRevenge

This will always be the challenge: can the Good Guys fight on the level of the Bad Guys?

Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap. One of these days we will have to take it to The Enemy, or we will all die.


19 posted on 08/17/2006 9:55:49 AM PDT by American in Singapore (Bill Clinton: The Human Stain)
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bomb-making experiments gone wrong?


20 posted on 08/17/2006 9:56:21 AM PDT by Rio (Don't make me come over there....)
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To: NormsRevenge

New Government AAA Agency coming soon: Anti-Arab-Arson. 156,000 employees. Budget: $3.45 billion.


21 posted on 08/17/2006 9:56:27 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (You're never more than a half-step away from a good note.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Is this a problem or something? Why was this posted.
Just kidding...
22 posted on 08/17/2006 9:56:56 AM PDT by Fawn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjPrL3n63yg)
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To: NormsRevenge
"...the 800,000-square-foot community center..."

Sloppy. Jeez, what does she think it is; an indoor stadium?? It's 8000 square feet (in the article later in this thread). Journalist is only off by a factor of 100; business as usual.

23 posted on 08/17/2006 9:57:01 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Dixie Yooper

They have learned much from Jesse Jackson and some of the other poverty-pimp "black church leaders".


24 posted on 08/17/2006 9:57:19 AM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: MrEdd
If it was arson, I'll have to remember to book some time, maybe later, to be sad about it.

EL CAJON -- Imam Amir Bajelori was happy to find a benefactor three years ago who provided Kurdish Muslims with the money to buy a building for a mosque…The benefactor installed Omar Al-Bayoumi as the building's maintenance manager with a private office at the mosque…

Now the mosque members say they are disheartened to learn that Al-Bayoumi, 44, may have been an advance man who helped set up a terrorist cell in San Diego. The FBI is investigating Al-Bayoumi's possible involvement.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/terror/20011027-9999_1n27mosque.html

25 posted on 08/17/2006 9:57:40 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Bomb factory?


26 posted on 08/17/2006 9:57:54 AM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: michigander

When I saw the ATF is there, work accident was the first thing that came to mind. Before that, I wondered if it was vandalism. Who knows, may be one of those self inflicted wounds to garner sympathy. Oddly, faulty wires never crossed my mind.


27 posted on 08/17/2006 9:57:55 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: NormsRevenge
An "Act of God".
28 posted on 08/17/2006 9:58:18 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: MediaMole
At least the Kurds have had the common courtesy to say thank you for their freedom via a tv commercial. That is more than most have done.
29 posted on 08/17/2006 9:58:37 AM PDT by CremeSaver (Prayers for our Israeli friends. They're going to need them, as will we.)
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To: RightOnline

I missed that . . . the mosque is the size of an auto plant. [chuckle]


30 posted on 08/17/2006 9:58:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: MediaMole

"I'd put money on Sunnis or Shiites."


Actually this brings forward a question.....Does 'Islamic' loyalty take precedence over 'Tribal' loyalty?...i.e. are Kurds.. Kurds FIRST, or Islamic first? We all know how this answered for palies and Hezbos, but the Kurds?


31 posted on 08/17/2006 9:59:02 AM PDT by litehaus
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To: NormsRevenge

Damn, I HATE it when this happens!!!









(Yes, it's sarcasm)


32 posted on 08/17/2006 10:00:03 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

This was a Kurdish center? If so, this was a dumb idea, unless of course it was set by either Shiites or Sunnis, in which case it was done in a very calculated manner.


33 posted on 08/17/2006 10:00:37 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: NormsRevenge

Lightning bolt from above?


34 posted on 08/17/2006 10:01:18 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: CremeSaver

Yes, I've seen that ad. A friend does a lot of business in the Kurdish part of Iraq, says it's really nice.


35 posted on 08/17/2006 10:01:58 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: NormsRevenge

Would it be insensitive to ask if local Freepers could bring pure pork sausages and hot dogs to cook over the hot embers?


36 posted on 08/17/2006 10:04:19 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: MediaMole
If it was arson, I'd put money on Sunnis or Shiites.

You're just covering for the Amish.

37 posted on 08/17/2006 10:06:22 AM PDT by MrEdd (More cheep than a flock of baby chickens.)
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To: beltfed308

Was this a case of premature jihadulation?


38 posted on 08/17/2006 10:06:56 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: wideawake

"Jihad Lightning"


39 posted on 08/17/2006 10:07:24 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: NormsRevenge

In my opinion, any comments suggesting that it's a good idea to burn down Islamic centers or mosques should be removed from the thread. That attitude is reducing ourselves to the same level as radical Muslims.


40 posted on 08/17/2006 10:08:42 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: NormsRevenge
Fire rips through Islamic Center near San Diego

Burn, baby, burn!

41 posted on 08/17/2006 10:08:56 AM PDT by meandog (While Clinton isn't fit even to scrape Reagan's shoes, Bush will never fill them!)
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To: MediaMole
Syria, Turkey and Iran have a beef w/ some Kurds. Also too, PKK is a terrorist organization, hard-line Marxists.
42 posted on 08/17/2006 10:09:10 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: NormsRevenge

I would never encourage arsonists but in this case.....


43 posted on 08/17/2006 10:10:16 AM PDT by RichardW
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To: NormsRevenge

Sob!Sob!


44 posted on 08/17/2006 10:10:18 AM PDT by bikerman (Democrats the cut and run party.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I am guessing that the firefighters were not in a particular hurry to put this one out.


45 posted on 08/17/2006 10:10:47 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Steve_Seattle
"In my opinion, any comments suggesting that it's a good idea to burn down Islamic centers or mosques should be removed from the thread. That attitude is reducing ourselves to the same level as radical Muslims."

Reply to myself: Which would apparently be most of the comments on this thread.
46 posted on 08/17/2006 10:11:08 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: RolandBurnam

ROFLMFAO!!!!!


47 posted on 08/17/2006 10:12:02 AM PDT by jw777
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To: FreedomPoster

That's nice to hear. I wish them well, they have suffered a great deal between the Turks and Saddam.


48 posted on 08/17/2006 10:13:14 AM PDT by CremeSaver (Prayers for our Israeli friends. They're going to need them, as will we.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

"That attitude is reducing ourselves to the same level as radical Muslims."

Nope, that attitude is survival instinct kicking in. They are the enemy in our midst.


49 posted on 08/17/2006 10:13:49 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: RichardW

Well, if it were the Kurdish center then this is bad news. Look to the Shia and Sunnis for the culprits. If you don't believe exactly as they do, they saw your head off as being "Allah's" will. No doubt "Allah" ordered up this fire.


50 posted on 08/17/2006 10:14:22 AM PDT by RichardW
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