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Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology [Oh Yeah!]
PhysOrg.com ^ | 18 August 2006 | Staff

Posted on 08/18/2006 7:37:36 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

An Irish company threw down the gauntlet on Friday to the worldwide scientific community to test a technology it has developed that it claims produces free energy.

The company, Steorn (http://www.steorn.net), says its discovery is based on the interaction of magnetic fields and allows the production of clean, free and constant energy -- a concept that challenges one of the basic rules of physics.

It claims the technology can be used to supply energy for virtually all devices, from mobile phones to cars.

Steorn issued its challenge through an advertisement in the Economist magazine this week quoting Ireland's Nobel prize-winning author George Bernard Shaw who said that "all great truths begin as blasphemies".

Sean McCarthy, Steorn's chief executive officer, said they had issued the challenge for 12 physicists to rigorously test the technology so it can be developed.

"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said.

"The energy isn't being converted from any other source such as the energy within the magnet. It's literally created. Once the technology operates it provides a constant stream of clean energy," he told Ireland's RTE radio.

McCarthy said Steorn had not set out to develop the technology, but "it actually fell out of another project we were working on".

One of the basic principles of physics is that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change form.

McCarthy said a big obstacle to overcome was the disbelief that what they had developed was even possible.

"For the first six months that we looked at it we literally didn't believe it ourselves. Over the last three years it had been rigorously tested in our own laboratories, in independent laboratories and so on," he said.

"But we have been unable to get significant scientific interest in it. We have had scientists come in, test it and, off the record, they are quite happy to admit that it works.

"But for us to be able to commercialise this and put this into peoples' lives we need credible, academic validation in the public domain and hence the challenge," McCarthy said.


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1 posted on 08/18/2006 7:37:37 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 08/18/2006 7:38:35 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Everything is blasphemy to somebody.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Cold Fusion alert. Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary proof alert too.


3 posted on 08/18/2006 7:39:13 AM PDT by tdewey10 (Can we please take out Iran's nuclear capability before they start using it?)
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To: tdewey10

Cold fusion no, Hot air, yes.


4 posted on 08/18/2006 7:40:22 AM PDT by vimto (Blighty Awaken!)
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To: PatrickHenry

As bazaar as this sounds, I don't see a problem with requesting a review process. Debunk the dang thing and move on.


5 posted on 08/18/2006 7:41:24 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Exxon hit squads will be coming after this guy. ;o)


6 posted on 08/18/2006 7:42:43 AM PDT by pissant
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To: PatrickHenry

Hmmmmm.


7 posted on 08/18/2006 7:43:21 AM PDT by wbill
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To: PatrickHenry

This is not passing the smell test even slightly. Nothing wrong with a review of it, I suppose, if only to get the kooks to be quiet. Reminds me of that cold fusion debacle a few years back.


8 posted on 08/18/2006 7:43:54 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: tdewey10

I suspect it's getting energy from somewhere, if it works.

I agree - if they want a rigorous examination then give them one. If, against all odds, they are actually on to something then all the better.


9 posted on 08/18/2006 7:44:13 AM PDT by linear (Nuance treats reality as a mere Rorschach test.)
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To: DoughtyOne
As bazaar as this sounds, I don't see a problem with requesting a review process. Debunk the dang thing and move on.

I prefer investing in Lotto tickets. Better odds.

They could bootstrap their investment capital by selling off the surplus energy they already have.

10 posted on 08/18/2006 7:45:20 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: PatrickHenry

This is absolute bullcrap. It's an accepted and proveable Gaussian theory that the line integral around any closed surface is 0. If this guy thinks he can get energy out of that, he's fooling himself. Nice try though.


11 posted on 08/18/2006 7:45:52 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: vimto

Well, the proper application for the cold fusion would be to subject deuterium saturated palladium sponge [in deuterium atmosphere] to a hypersaturative compression, like from chemical explosion shockwave. One would get an H-warhead on the cheap.


12 posted on 08/18/2006 7:46:44 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: PatrickHenry
McCarthy said Steorn had not set out to develop the technology, but "it actually fell out of another project we were working on".

This could be big. The same sort of thing led to Post-Its.

13 posted on 08/18/2006 7:48:49 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: PatrickHenry

They don't need "credible, academic validation in the public domain", they need a working product.


14 posted on 08/18/2006 7:48:59 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: PatrickHenry

It's not free energy, they're stealing it from a neighboring dimension - and man are those guys going to be mad when they find out!


15 posted on 08/18/2006 7:49:53 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.")
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To: PatrickHenry

PURE BS> advertising gimmick, kinda like the "IT" which later became the (i forgot the name of that 2-wheeled stabilized cart)

They write "Steorn has decided to publish its challenge in The Economist because of the breadth of its readership. "We chose it over a purely scientific magazine simply because we want to make the general public aware that this process is about to commence and to generate public support, awareness, interest etc for what we are doing."

They chose not to write a scientific article and submit it to a technical journal for peer review which is the best way to get their technology reviewed, rather than this nonsense of generating a public demand and pressure.


16 posted on 08/18/2006 7:49:55 AM PDT by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: PatrickHenry

"NO BLOOD FOR MAGNETS"!!


17 posted on 08/18/2006 7:50:18 AM PDT by jbwbubba
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To: PatrickHenry
Ignore the fact that you have to shake the thing to make it work.


18 posted on 08/18/2006 7:50:48 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: DoughtyOne
As bazaar as this sounds


19 posted on 08/18/2006 7:51:10 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: PatrickHenry

You don't get something from nothing and if it sounds too good to be true>>>.....

Has this discovery been reported in any credible scientific journal?? The nondescript article says very little--what energy is obtained?? Is it kinetic, heat, chemical, potential, what the hell kind is it??

The conservation of energy law has been valid for many centuries and reading some article about a perpetual energy source is way over the top for me.


20 posted on 08/18/2006 7:51:54 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: PatrickHenry

Where are they getting the magnetic field? If they are using the Earth's it's too weak locally to be of much use.

All they need is for some physicist to get ahold of this. It'll collapse, but it'll be fun watching.


21 posted on 08/18/2006 7:51:55 AM PDT by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: DoughtyOne
I don't see a problem with requesting a review process.

Oh, they did the right thing: they generated millions of dollars in free advertising by leveraging the world's news services, and if they get lucky, they may get tens of thousands of dollars in free consulting. Good business move.

Of course, if the thing actually worked, they wouldn't need free advertising or free consulting. They could just sell energy back to the power company and finance their operations that way. They wouldn't need investors, and they wouldn't need the approval or even the attention of the scientific community.

If I had a free energy machine, I wouldn't be concerned with whether anybody else believed it worked. Hell, I'd be trying to keep it quiet.

22 posted on 08/18/2006 7:53:47 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: PatrickHenry
From their website:

Steorn is making three claims for its technology:

1. The technology has a coefficient of performance greater than 100%.
2. The operation of the technology (i.e. the creation of energy) is not derived from the degradation of its component parts.
3. There is no identifiable environmental source of the energy (as might be witnessed by a cooling of ambient air temperature).

The sum of these claims is that our technology creates free energy.

I call BS.

It's a perpetual motion machine with a slick website.

23 posted on 08/18/2006 7:55:50 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: PatrickHenry
www.steorn.net
24 posted on 08/18/2006 7:58:10 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: domenad
"It's an accepted and provable Gaussian theory that the line integral around any closed surface is 0."

Accepted, yes, for now. Perhaps what they have done is run the primary energy source produced, through an inverse phase re combiner. This would permit the generated energy to be transmogrified and fused with the refracted binary containment field which is a by product of the magnetic mega phase re capacitor and thereby transfused and increased by the actions of the previously mentioned inverse phase re combiner.

This is some serious shit. I wouldn't lie about this, believe me.

25 posted on 08/18/2006 7:58:15 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: PatrickHenry

It's really the little people putting one over on the boys. Those Leprechauns. Such kidders.


26 posted on 08/18/2006 8:00:00 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Tennessee_Bob

ROFL


27 posted on 08/18/2006 8:00:56 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: PatrickHenry
It never ceases to amaze me that when someone creates a revolutionary product they can't use the device to make money. If this works, they should just create a prototype and do the things they just claimed they could do, instead of having some one look at it first.

Look at it this way: if you can power things, wire up your prototype so you can disconnect from the power grid. Use the money saved from buying that power to finance your own company and file the patents to make yourself rich. Heck, if you can do that, form your own power company and start selling power to the neighbors. You would be a billionaire in no time, and you wouldn't need scientists to "test your idea", since it would be blatantly obvious to everyone except liberal democrats that it worked.

You don't have to even do it on a large scale. If you could create a device that replaces batteries permanently, you could make billions off of that alone, not to mention selling the rights to incorporate your technology into every powered appliance in the world!

But, they never do this. They always want other people to look at it, and then try to get "investors" to put money into it. Then they are always "just this close" to making it work, and if only they had some more investors . . .

And the cycle begins again. They want more people to look at it, and then they need more money to "perfect" their device. . .

28 posted on 08/18/2006 8:01:16 AM PDT by The Enlightener (If had a nickel for each person selling "free" energy. . .)
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To: PatrickHenry

Dang!

There goes the earnings on my Energy Sector Mutual Fund!

Free energy; who would have thought it possible. Silly us.


29 posted on 08/18/2006 8:02:52 AM PDT by WBL 1952
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To: PatrickHenry

God has provided; it is up to us to dicover what He has provided.


30 posted on 08/18/2006 8:03:45 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: js1138
I'm a curious person by nature. If I were qualified, I'd like to check the thing out. I realize that it's 99.999% sure to be worthless. There is still that outside chance that at some point someone will come up with something we don't understand, which will lead to a new understanding.

Perhaps this project has been explained in some detail and dismissed due to it's obvious flaws. If that's the case I would understand that.

We are pretty smart. Physicist's have developed a set of principles that they operate by. I don't have a problem with that. The truth is that certain perceptions are found to be faulty from time to time. In time our perceptions about energy may be proven to be more sophomoric than we think they are today.

I wouldn't be as quick to be dismissive as it seems physicist's are. That may be a misperception I'll grant you.
31 posted on 08/18/2006 8:04:37 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: PatrickHenry
"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said.

Heat generation? Einstein talked about what he called the ethos. It was the space between matter. According to him, the ethos bends when it meets matter. Add the electrical charge from the magnets to the ethos equation, and then what? From a quantum point of view, what would happen if this ethos could be built up with an electrical charge and wrapped up in itself - like tightening a super string rubber band?
I'd like to know if they really have something - for real.
It would destroy the worlds economy,though, and it would cause one heck of an oil rich Arab Jihad! The Arab nations would have nothing to sell but sand.

32 posted on 08/18/2006 8:04:45 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: PatrickHenry

Why do they need the technology to be validated? If it works, just start building batteries or generators using the technology and the market will validate it.

Instead, years pass looking for validation until the "science" falls into obscurity.


33 posted on 08/18/2006 8:05:44 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: domenad
This is absolute bullcrap. It's an accepted and proveable Gaussian theory that the line integral around any closed surface is 0. If this guy thinks he can get energy out of that, he's fooling himself. Nice try though.

I've wondered something for a while that perhaps you can answer. How can space probes etc. use planets to slingshot to a higher speed (perhaps the MSM just reports wrong)? I understand using a planet to execute a turn, but increasing speed seems impossible, as gravity should have the same effect outbound as inbound.

34 posted on 08/18/2006 8:06:36 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: Mark Felton

They chose a popular news magazine rather than a scientific journal because they will be exposed more slowly this way. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)


35 posted on 08/18/2006 8:06:57 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Wolfie
This could be big. The same sort of thing led to Post-Its

"And while inventing Post-Its we discovered free energy. Well, I discovered free energy; Michelle decided what color it should be..."


36 posted on 08/18/2006 8:07:01 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Eagles Talon IV

"This is some serious shit. I wouldn't lie about this, believe me."

Serious eh? Might it originate from the matter existing at the excretory opening at the lower extremity of the male bovine alimentary canal?


37 posted on 08/18/2006 8:07:51 AM PDT by Check_Your_Premises (Ceterum censeo <Islamofascism> esse delendam -Huerro the Elder)
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To: Physicist

It's actually the investor part that makes me think it would be wiser to debunk the thing than let some suckers be conned. Look if people are that stupid they maybe deserve it, but a good debunking could save them from themselves. Or maybe not... LOL.


38 posted on 08/18/2006 8:08:20 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: Lazamataz

Couldn't you find a close-up? ;->


39 posted on 08/18/2006 8:09:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: Mark Felton
PURE BS> advertising gimmick, kinda like the "IT"

Omg. They really built up curiosity with that one! It turned out to be some kind of stupid little scooter. They even had visions of cities being built just to accommodate it. That was a huge let down.

40 posted on 08/18/2006 8:09:48 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: Check_Your_Premises

Wha? C'mon? Whaddaya mean?


41 posted on 08/18/2006 8:10:08 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Eagles Talon IV
Perhaps what they have done is run the primary energy source produced, through an inverse phase re combiner. This would permit the generated energy to be transmogrified and fused with the refracted binary containment field which is a by product of the magnetic mega phase re capacitor and thereby transfused and increased by the actions of the previously mentioned inverse phase re combiner.

That's just what I was thinking! /s

42 posted on 08/18/2006 8:10:28 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: PatrickHenry

Well, like I always say, "Not only are a fool and his money soon parted, but a fool and his money SHOULD be parted, because there is nothing more dangerous than a fool with money"


43 posted on 08/18/2006 8:10:37 AM PDT by Lekker 1 (("Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau" - I. Fisher, Yale Econ Prof, 1929))
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To: SampleMan
How can space probes etc. use planets to slingshot to a higher speed

Planets are not standing still. They can be used to pull the probe along.

Gravitational Slingshot

44 posted on 08/18/2006 8:10:51 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: PatrickHenry
If one supposes this is legit, it would seem that there'd be no reason to claim that energy was being "created" -- it could be coming from some as-yet unknown source.

Stranger things have happened. But as the man said above: opening this up to testing would be a good thing.

45 posted on 08/18/2006 8:11:37 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: SampleMan
The speed of the object relative to the planet (being used as the fulcrum of the slingshot, to mix a metaphor), is constant; the speed relative to the sun is increased.

Elementary (but clever) calculus.

46 posted on 08/18/2006 8:11:47 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: PatrickHenry
"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said.

OK. I'll trade you a set of your blueprints for my deed to the Brooklyn Bridge.

47 posted on 08/18/2006 8:12:54 AM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: PatrickHenry

If it were real, government would be falling over itself rushing to tax the new technology and eventually ban further development of it.


48 posted on 08/18/2006 8:13:10 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Lazamataz

LMAO!


49 posted on 08/18/2006 8:14:18 AM PDT by manic4organic
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To: PatrickHenry

Electromagnetism is still vastly mysterious to most, and yet we have only 5% of our students enrolling in science/engineering in college, which is where students get to check out some of EM hands-on with useful equipment. EM is going to become even more mysterious to even more as a result, and we will find that most will not be able to understand the first thing about the topic.


50 posted on 08/18/2006 8:15:27 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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