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Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology [Oh Yeah!]
PhysOrg.com ^ | 18 August 2006 | Staff

Posted on 08/18/2006 7:37:36 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: Old Professer
Rotation?

Nope. The orbital period of the planet you are using.

101 posted on 08/18/2006 9:33:40 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RadioAstronomer

It depends on how it is slowed. This is not a scalar.

The bottom line is that equilibrium must be obtained to maintain a stable orbit. So if the orbital tangential speed is decreased without changing any other factors, the corresponding centrifugal acceleration will be lower. Given that the masses of the two bodies (sun and planet) have not changed the gravitational force has not changed, so the planet will 'fall' towards the sun.

It is why skylab is no longer intact. It slowed down. Came home.


102 posted on 08/18/2006 9:34:40 AM PDT by jbp1 (be nice now)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Indeed!

Note, a green Ar/Ion laser spins mine like crazy. :-)


103 posted on 08/18/2006 9:35:21 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: litehaus

No. But I can imagine the plot. ;o)


104 posted on 08/18/2006 9:35:24 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

The far left will not be happy.


105 posted on 08/18/2006 9:37:44 AM PDT by GeronL (flogerloon.blogspot.com -------------> Rise of the Hate Party)
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To: jbp1

Agreed. Was being a bit silly with my post. Should have qualified that.


106 posted on 08/18/2006 9:37:52 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: PatrickHenry
For some reason, this reminds me of a joke I heard recently:

"An Irishman walked out of a bar."
107 posted on 08/18/2006 9:38:48 AM PDT by Ragnar54
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To: PatrickHenry

Reminds me of Joseph Newman...saw him on Johnny Carson many, many years ago...his perpetual motion machine. http://www.josephnewman.com/


108 posted on 08/18/2006 9:39:15 AM PDT by Paco
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To: PatrickHenry
Once again, you and your ever-faithful mascot, Plato the Platy, have been beaten to the punch. Time for you two to head back to your basement la-BOR-a-tor-y, rethink your free-energy anti-gravity machine, and lick your respective wounds.
109 posted on 08/18/2006 9:42:42 AM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: jbp1

BTW, as you impart energy into a satellite to lift it to a higher orbit, the satellite's velocity decreases.


110 posted on 08/18/2006 9:44:18 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Kirkwood


You're right on!
Their patent application: LOW ENERGY MAGNETIC ACTUATOR
"The company is currently engaged in the development of its own proprietary battery substitution technology."
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111 posted on 08/18/2006 9:47:04 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: longshadow
Once again, you and your ever-faithful mascot, Plato the Platy, have been beaten to the punch. Time for you two to head back to your basement la-BOR-a-tor-y, rethink your free-energy anti-gravity machine, and lick your respective wounds.

Pay no attention to these Irish pretenders. In my la-BOR-a-tory, I'm working on a device that is not only a perpetual motion machine, but it also travels faster than light, enables time-travel, and it seems to overcome gravity as well (still studying that angle). But it only works if you've been taking my Eternal Life Elixirtm, which is the real opportunity for investors.

112 posted on 08/18/2006 9:52:13 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Everything is blasphemy to somebody.)
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To: NonValueAdded
If not the actual cost to perform the study, then the opportunity cost of not studying something else while you waste time with something implausible.

I understand your point, but if these guys, while in the process of doing something else, observed a phenomena that they were not expecting, that defies the laws of physics as we know them, and they cannot explain it, and it is reproducible; is it not worthy of study?

113 posted on 08/18/2006 9:55:01 AM PDT by AFreeBird (... Burn the land and boil the sea's, but you can't take the skies from me.)
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To: js1138

I'm sure it does. I don't know how many times I've heard, "So and so has looked at this and they think it's a valid process.", so I understand the reluctance to consider these contraptions. What bothers me is to enter these threads and watch how many people completely dismiss a proces knowing absolutely nothing about it.

I think I aluded to this earlier, I think 99.99999999% of these things are bogus. I'm just not sure we should dismiss that 0.000000001% or even give the appearance of it.

Thanks for the response.


114 posted on 08/18/2006 9:59:15 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Perpetual Motion Breakthrough!

115 posted on 08/18/2006 10:01:15 AM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (Colorado: the original Red State.)
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To: Mark Felton

I have one of those little rotating thingies. They're powered by evil spirits.


116 posted on 08/18/2006 10:08:07 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: PatrickHenry
........An Irish company....Sean McCarthy, Steorn's chief executive officer, said they had issued the challenge for 12 physicists to rigorously test the technology so it can be developed..........

Why are they bothering Physicists? It's not Scientists generally that are in control of venture capital money. If this is factual Investors will pony up the money for the further development. Has a patent been applied for on this process?

117 posted on 08/18/2006 10:10:26 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: NonValueAdded

I should also add, after further review of their website, that they are willing to pay the direct costs associated with the review/validation process. This appears to be a legit, existing company that does work in other fields.


118 posted on 08/18/2006 10:11:45 AM PDT by AFreeBird (... Burn the land and boil the sea's, but you can't take the skies from me.)
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To: DoctorMichael
Why are they bothering Physicists? It's not Scientists generally that are in control of venture capital money.

The scientists are to validate the technology. They don't appear to be asking for money up front and are going to pay the direct costs for the validation. If it proves out they will license it to others to develop.

They also claim that thay have a patent pending on the technology.

119 posted on 08/18/2006 10:15:39 AM PDT by AFreeBird (... Burn the land and boil the sea's, but you can't take the skies from me.)
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To: Eagles Talon IV

EXACTLY!!!


120 posted on 08/18/2006 10:16:11 AM PDT by Harold Hill (I always think there's a band, kid)
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To: DoughtyOne
Debunk the dang thing and move on.

LOL! As If.

It don't work that way. Free energy nuts, creationists, ufologists, homeopathists, crystal healers, etc, etc, etc, never ever take a debunking, however sound and thorough, as a reason to "move on".

On the contrary, it's only a publicity (and often a fund raising) opportunity, and a signal to embrace the role of victim.

Just watch. That's exactly how this will go down.

121 posted on 08/18/2006 10:18:44 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: concerned about politics
One magnet would sneak up behind the other and get close enough to get caught on the repulsion. It would push the blades around again.

I'm just a homeschooling mom and not an engineer. All I know is it worked and I gave the kids an A.

I would like to build this fan with my kids. Can you post some details? Or email me: mkaplan at kapcom.com. Thanks.

122 posted on 08/18/2006 10:23:26 AM PDT by citizenmike
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To: SampleMan

The tennis ball comes over the net at you, and is slowing down. You hit it with your moving racket, which is heavier than the tennis ball and send the ball back over the net at speed greater than it had before you hit it. In the probe planet case the probe spends more time in the planets gravitational field inbound than outbound due to the initial relative motion of the planet, so more momentum is transferred by gravity to the probe.


123 posted on 08/18/2006 10:24:18 AM PDT by dr huer
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To: AFreeBird
.....are going to pay the direct costs for the validation......

Where do they say this? My reading of the article says, "....issued the challenge for 12 physicists....". I can't find where they will pay for anything.

They also claim that thay have a patent pending on the technology.

I have now read the article twice. Where do they claim to have a "patent pending"?

They also say, "....We have had scientists come in, test it and, off the record, they are quite happy to admit that it works....". Which "Scientists"? Who are they? Is this one of them............?

124 posted on 08/18/2006 10:31:18 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: DelphiUser

ping for later


125 posted on 08/18/2006 10:32:40 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: PatrickHenry

Are you series!? This could be Hugh!!


126 posted on 08/18/2006 10:37:08 AM PDT by Clioman
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To: concerned about politics

"Light waves are energy. Sound waves are energy. Heck, everything in our universe is energy vibrating at different speeds. Electrons are buzzing all over the place. There must be some way to tap it without blowing ourselves up. There has to be some way to manipulate it to our advantage. Somebody is bound to figure it out sooner or later."

Heck is right. We already tap into this existing energy alot. We can collect light from the sun and convert into electricty or use as stored heat. We can tap into rivers flowing by force of gravity and convert into mechanical motion or electricity. We can tap into geothermal sources of heat or tap into wind and convert into electricity. We can tap into heat produced by nuclear reactions and convert into electricity. The list goes on and on. We need more work being done on better battery storage technology so we can make better personal use of the energy that is out there.


127 posted on 08/18/2006 10:39:30 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Eagles Talon IV

This is some serious Irish Bull.


128 posted on 08/18/2006 10:39:34 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
"slingshot" orbital speedups are gained by having the spacecraft fly by a planet or moon starting at exactly the right place that the planet gives up energy from its forward orbital motion to the spacecraft. What this means is that every time we use Jupiter to speed up a probe, the planet slows down slightly. if we sent a really, really large number of probes by Jupiter this way, we could get it to fall into the Sun."

"Hmmm... Actually, as an orbiting body is slowed, it gains in altitude, not the other way round. :-)"

Not quite. Slower moving bodies are further away, but they have more potential and more total energy. If you slow a planet by slingshot method, it actually reduces the orbital size and speeds up as it falls toward the sun. This is called "orbital decay" and it happens all the time.
129 posted on 08/18/2006 10:52:46 AM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (Here's an experiment for God's existence: Ask Him to contact you.)
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To: Stultis

Thanks for the comments.


130 posted on 08/18/2006 11:15:09 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: tdewey10

Cold fusion doesn't violate the laws of physics. This "free energy" device sounds like it does.


131 posted on 08/18/2006 11:20:06 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Kirkwood
Ignore the fact that you have to shake the thing to make it work.

I keep telling my wife that..............

132 posted on 08/18/2006 11:21:31 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (It's about the People Who Count the Votes................. - Wally O'Dell)
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To: PatrickHenry
From their patent application they state;
"The exposed magnetic field may be used to perform work (eg interact with other magnetic fields to move objects)

It sounds like these guys may be trying to sell this;

From the Museum of Unworkable Devices

The Classic Magnetic Shield Engine

A reader informs us that a device of this sort was given as an extra credit homework problem by an MIT professor back in 1985. Chris Cheng, a high school student from Sydney, Australia, sent us a simple version, from which this one evolved through a process of tinkering.

How it's supposed to work.

Magnetic shielding materials are available. They aren't perfect shields, but for the purposes of this motor they don't need to be perfect.

A freely rotatable armature in the center consists of a permanent magnet partly covered with a magnetic shield (solid black). The shield has openings at the right, near the poles. An outer ring has magnets in a radial array with their north poles inside, firmly fastened to a rigid frame. These magnets are long, so the south poles are at a considerably greater radius than the north poles. The magnetic field from a magnet pole decreases in strength with distance.

The shield apertures permit each armature pole to "see" only a couple of the magnets of the outer ring. Each armature pole is affected primarily by the north poles of the ring, those being nearest. Therefore, in the position shown in the picture, the N pole of the armature is repelled, experiencing a force to the left. The S pole of the armature is attracted, experiencing a force to the right. These two forces make a couple, which rotates the armature clockwise.

Classic simplicity! If you wanted to improve it, those outer magnets could be swung up or down so they were in a cylindrical array of magnets with their axes parallel. Then a similar armature could be placed in the plane of the S poles, operating on the same axle as the armature in the plane of the N poles. This should double the power output!

We caution the reader that this machine has details that could be subtle and difficult to analyze in detail. Gauss's and Stokes' laws in vector calculus form may be required for a full analysis. However, this machine has a simple and fundamental flaw that can be appreciated even at the introductory physics level. "

It doesnt work.

133 posted on 08/18/2006 11:32:23 AM PDT by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: PatrickHenry
"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said.

And the energy can be used to to move you around the magnetic field.

You know, you can get free energy by carrying an object 150 miles above the earth and dropping it also.

134 posted on 08/18/2006 11:33:01 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: The Enlightener

Kind of like the people who develop get rich quick schemes, then sell them.


135 posted on 08/18/2006 11:34:59 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: DoughtyOne

Why did these "Scientists" only make "off the record" statements?


136 posted on 08/18/2006 11:38:11 AM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: Eagles Talon IV

You are not one much for punctuation, are you?


137 posted on 08/18/2006 11:41:00 AM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: Boiler Plate

Could it be there weren't any? Nah... LOL


138 posted on 08/18/2006 11:42:56 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Invest now!

But not the whole farm, because I can offer for sale Buckingham Palace and Big Ben to the first person to call me on 1-800-TAKEMYMONEY!

139 posted on 08/18/2006 11:49:57 AM PDT by ToryHeartland
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

I understand this stuff very well. Read my later post. I worked as an orbit analyst with NASA and still "do" orbit design work as required. I was trying to be funny, but obviously I fell flat on my face.

Sigh.


140 posted on 08/18/2006 12:04:27 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Hmmm... Actually, as an orbiting body is slowed, it gains in altitude, not the other way round. :-)

So at the end of each Shuttle mission, when the crew applies thrust against the direction of motion to slow down in orbit, it's really not deorbiting at all? Hundreds of astronauts must be accumulating on some secret base on the Moon.

141 posted on 08/18/2006 12:18:25 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: DoctorMichael
Since it was sited in the article, one would assume you would look at their website for the answers to your questions. I did.

Here, I'll help you out. The Challenge

142 posted on 08/18/2006 12:39:12 PM PDT by AFreeBird (... Burn the land and boil the sea's, but you can't take the skies from me.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Isn't this similar to the claims made by monopole generator proponents?


144 posted on 08/18/2006 12:47:22 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: BlazingArizona

And yes, I could have worded it differently upon retrospect. You do know an orbiting body has a slower velocity with a higher altitude? And indeed that requires a Delta-V (for a satellite) to accomplish that feat. Often a Hohmann transfer orbit.


145 posted on 08/18/2006 12:51:49 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Boiler Plate
You have a problem with my sentence composition why does that bother you as long as you understand what I was saying you do understand it don't you maybe you ought to get a life instead of nitpicking on this sort of happy horsesh*t ya know what I mean?
146 posted on 08/18/2006 12:58:49 PM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: PatrickHenry

hrmn. if it exports energy, it must be acquiring it from somewhere.
nothing wrong with magnetic field induction yielding electricity - hell, that's basically a radio receiver.

speculation:
conceivably, something could convert passage through magnetic field of the earth into electricity.
barely conceivably, a mechanism could convert more of the earth's magnetism into electricity than is used in its propulsion.
of course, it would have some (immeasurably small) impact on the magma current which produces the magnetic field to begin with.
not "creation of" energy, but on its face looks like "free" energy.


147 posted on 08/18/2006 1:04:50 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: King Prout

Check out using a tether in orbit for power generation.


148 posted on 08/18/2006 1:10:49 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: King Prout

I think you've re-invented the Aurora Borealis.


149 posted on 08/18/2006 1:11:43 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Everything is blasphemy to somebody.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

1. does it work?
2. how long until it hits the energy in-out break-even point (equals/exceeds amount of energy needed to loft its mass into orbit and maintain that orbit)?


150 posted on 08/18/2006 1:17:35 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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