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Irish company challenges scientists to test 'free energy' technology [Oh Yeah!]
PhysOrg.com ^ | 18 August 2006 | Staff

Posted on 08/18/2006 7:37:36 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer

full disclosure - I read some stuff on Tesla a couple of decades ago


151 posted on 08/18/2006 1:18:50 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: PatrickHenry

Not that 'zero-point' energy again!


152 posted on 08/18/2006 1:27:48 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: aculeus; Colosis; Black Line; Cucullain; SomeguyfromIreland; Youngblood; Fergal; Cian; col kurz; ...
Keep your eye on this one. ; )

Yeah... it sounds..... interesting.....

153 posted on 08/18/2006 1:29:27 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: King Prout
we have been unable to get significant scientific interest in it

The Patent Office is extremely not interested.

154 posted on 08/18/2006 1:31:36 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale

given the antics of the ChiComs, does the Patent Office of any nation have an relevance any longer?


155 posted on 08/18/2006 1:32:53 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: King Prout

The Patent office is useful if you are a major American corporation with a couple dozen corporate staff attorneys specializing in property rights. Otherwise it is a kind of vanity thing.


156 posted on 08/18/2006 1:35:38 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale

ah.


157 posted on 08/18/2006 1:39:14 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: PatrickHenry
"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel [a]round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said.

I believe that if you place this device on a rotating shaft, moving through a magnetic field, that this is what the ancient mystics referred to as an "electric generator". All you gotta do is crank the thing and BAM! Instant, free energy. You just keep crankin' that for me, okay? (What was it P.T. Barnum said...?)

158 posted on 08/18/2006 1:56:23 PM PDT by Nevermore
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To: RightWhale

"The Patent office is useful if you are a major American corporation with a couple dozen corporate staff attorneys specializing in property rights. Otherwise it is a kind of vanity thing."

Oh, brother. I've patented inventions to discourage havng the ideas stolen by competing companies. Vanity had nothing to do with it. It was about making money.


159 posted on 08/18/2006 1:56:27 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: PatrickHenry

Their invention is cursed by the Faery Folk. Its previous owner was a Leprechaun who failed to forward a magical letter to ten of his imaginary friends and send one gold coin to the person at the top of the list.


160 posted on 08/18/2006 2:01:36 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: Eagles Talon IV

I tried that logic on my wife, as she was reading over my shoulder, while I was writing a technical report once. She told me that me writing skills were giving her a headache and we all know what that means. I learned to embrace my inner comma.


161 posted on 08/18/2006 2:02:12 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

"I understand this stuff very well. Read my later post. I worked as an orbit analyst with NASA and still "do" orbit design work as required. I was trying to be funny, but obviously I fell flat on my face.

Sigh."

You're a rocket scientist, not a comedian!

;-)

Then again, consider your material--making jokes about orbital momentum, acceleration, & etc are not consider prime laugh-inducing subjects.

Fire your writer!


162 posted on 08/18/2006 2:06:33 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (Here's an experiment for God's existence: Ask Him to contact you.)
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To: Boiler Plate

LOL


163 posted on 08/18/2006 2:10:39 PM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Mark Felton

They wouldn't need investors if this worked. Once you build one it can be used to generate energy which is in turn sold for cash. Generate enough cash and you build the second to generate more energy for more cash. Kinda like the alfalfa growing in Catch 22.


164 posted on 08/18/2006 2:22:36 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
I was trying to be funny, but obviously I fell flat on my face.

"Orbital humor is wildly elliptical" placemarker

165 posted on 08/18/2006 3:01:42 PM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: GSlob
Well, the proper application for the cold fusion would be to subject deuterium saturated palladium sponge [in deuterium atmosphere] to a hypersaturative compression, like from chemical explosion shockwave. One would get an H-warhead on the cheap.

You left out essence of Sprok Weasel.

166 posted on 08/18/2006 3:07:57 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: longshadow
Orbital humor is wildly elliptical

Especially at the apogee...

;)

167 posted on 08/18/2006 3:49:43 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: concerned about politics
No doubt you and/or the kids made some sort of sketch of your mechanism. In the interest of education, please share them with the rest of us.

Some questions come to mind:

...holding my breath...

Not!

168 posted on 08/18/2006 4:22:45 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Boiler Plate

With high tech start-up companies the scheme works like this. Develop a concept for a new product then a business plan then an IPO plan. Seek venture capital to perform the R&D for 2-4 years before product is ready. The investors do not care if the product ever workd because they have been guaranteed an IPO BEFORE the product goes to market. They sell their shares often for double or more their purchase price. They make a killing. The company execs make a killing with the IPO.

And still no sales yet (except maybe a few prototypes, but nor necessary)

All of this "killing" is totally dependnet on the amount of pre-IPO hype and publicity that can be generated.

They hire a professional pre-IPO PR firm to handle this.

This type of thing was running rampany during the Clinton years and created the huge bubble that burst. Tons of companies getting huge sums of capital while they have no products or market share.


169 posted on 08/18/2006 4:27:12 PM PDT by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: Mark Felton
This type of thing was running rampant during the Clinton years and created the huge bubble that burst. Tons of companies getting huge sums of capital while they have no products or market share.

The operative word being "was". VC's are not as free as they used to be and many IPO's are dying on the vine.

170 posted on 08/18/2006 4:45:16 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: RightWhale
It sounds like they are not creating energy, but harvesting it from some source that they do not recognize. Perhaps minor fluctuations in the earths magnetic field, or from solar flares. That is, if this is not a publicity stunt.
171 posted on 08/18/2006 5:07:59 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission (How's the view up your hysteresis loop?)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

This is a perpetual motion machine. It will not be considered by the Patent Office, PTO. If they wish to send a working model to Art Bell, even a toy, Art will be happy to talk about it seriously, but even Art is sceptical about perpetual motion machines.


172 posted on 08/18/2006 5:12:13 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale

If it brings in energy from outside, its not a perpetual motion machine. Its probably nothing but a stunt, but let's see what they have and then decide.


173 posted on 08/18/2006 5:30:47 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

It has all the earmarks of perpetual motion. There is nothing that does not say perpetual motion. As Art would say, and said last weekend, 'send me a working model, even a toy, and if it does all that I will provide all the PR you will ever need.' Art has severely heavy funding sources, BTW, if anything like this proves out.


174 posted on 08/18/2006 5:39:47 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale

It sounds too good to be true. Of course they used to say that once we had nuclear power we wouldn't have to pay for electricity any more. That was a bit hopeful, of course. No one works for free,and there was still the matter of the transmission grid and its maintainance.

Still, I am curious, and that is reason enough to take a closer look and try to understand whatever invention it is that they say they have discovered.


175 posted on 08/18/2006 6:52:26 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: longshadow; RadioAstronomer

"I was trying to be funny, but obviously I fell flat on my face."

""Orbital humor is wildly elliptical" placemarker"

RadioA, I think you've found your new comedy writer!


176 posted on 08/18/2006 9:19:59 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (Here's an experiment for God's existence: Ask Him to contact you.)
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To: The Enlightener

"They always want other people to look at it, and then try to get "investors" to put money into it. Then they are always "just this close" to making it work, and if only they had some more investors . . ."

Then, when the spiel doesn't work, or work well enough to satisfy them, they fall back to the "large forces are conspiring against us" ploy.


177 posted on 08/18/2006 9:29:24 PM PDT by decal (The Key To Flexibility is Indecision)
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To: PatrickHenry; b_sharp; neutrality; anguish; SeaLion; Fractal Trader; grjr21; bitt; KevinDavis; ...
FutureTechPing!
An emergent technologies list covering biomedical
research, fusion power, nanotech, AI robotics, and
other related fields. FReepmail to join or drop.

178 posted on 08/18/2006 11:14:21 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: PatrickHenry

George Bernard Shaw was a liar.


179 posted on 08/19/2006 12:46:10 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: PatrickHenry

Aside from theoretical issues, the crux of the matter is whether such a device produces usable energy. The few that do seem to work based on momentum or various obscure effects shudder to a halt when a load is applied. But let's have a look.


180 posted on 08/19/2006 1:14:54 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: AFreeBird
if these guys, while in the process of doing something else, observed a phenomena that they were not expecting, that defies the laws of physics as we know them, and they cannot explain it, and it is reproducible; is it not worthy of study?

Unfortunately, so much of what passes for research nowadays is the molding of data sets to fit pre existing conclusions for the purpose of garnering grant money in perpetuity.

Serendipity is often summarily dismissed as faulty results.

181 posted on 08/19/2006 1:18:46 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Neoliberalnot
The conservation of energy law has been valid for many centuries ...

... or since the beginning of time, whichever came first.

182 posted on 08/19/2006 1:26:30 AM PDT by Draco
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To: PatrickHenry

Has anyone here checked out cheniere.org? Look, the universe is supposedly 2/3 "dark energy" or the ZPE, basically "tired photons" bouncing around in this lowest floor/burbling sea, of the energy universe; physicists refer to it as "quintessance". What's so hard to understand about that? By rapidly jerking the A-B field the MEG gets 100:1 output over input, demonstrated for years now. It's explained as a "windmill" turning in a "wind" you never knew was there. There are already several variations of this vacuum energy downloading out there, these guys in Ireland hae found one more. You don't want to believe it? Fine, keep on paying for $3+/gal gas, your fuel taxing government LOVES YOU....


183 posted on 08/19/2006 3:12:43 AM PDT by timer
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To: PatrickHenry

cf bump


184 posted on 08/19/2006 3:14:41 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: Lazamataz

Looks like the Brass Street at the covered bazaar in Istanbul. Worth the trip.


185 posted on 08/19/2006 4:56:13 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: DoughtyOne

"As bazaar as this sounds, I don't see a problem with requesting a review process. Debunk the dang thing and move on."

Same thought I had. It's the exact opposite of saying, "I have something fantastic but you can't see it." Gotta give 'em credit for that.

On the other hand my second thought was, why not make a car or anything using the technology and prove it yourself?


186 posted on 08/19/2006 5:07:45 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: PatrickHenry
McCarthy said a big obstacle to overcome was the disbelief that what they had developed was even possible.
The belief that it's not possible is not the biggest obstacle.

The biggest obstacle is...

It is impossible, you pack of morons!

187 posted on 08/19/2006 5:07:49 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Eagles Talon IV

Hehehehehe. . . He said "transmogrified." Hehehehehehe . . .


188 posted on 08/19/2006 5:12:00 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: The Enlightener
It never ceases to amaze me that when someone creates a revolutionary product they can't use the device to make money. If this works, they should just create a prototype and do the things they just claimed they could do, instead of having some one look at it first.
Of course. If they really had something, they'd build a small demo, get some intial investors, build a bigger demo, get some big investors and after awhile they'd have a product and a market and they'd never need the "blessings" of the scientific community.

But of course they've got squat, so they have to squawk-a-lot.

189 posted on 08/19/2006 5:12:39 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Tennessee_Bob
GMTA-- I was just thinking that at the other end of the wormhole, some guy is trying to jumpstart his saucer 'cause the battery's flat again...
190 posted on 08/19/2006 5:20:47 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Ninety-three days (counting up))
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To: Eagles Talon IV
Just attach a flux capacitor, step down the power to a mere 1.21 jiggawatts, and away you go...
191 posted on 08/19/2006 5:28:57 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Ninety-three days (counting up))
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To: jbp1

It's all tied up with string theory.


192 posted on 08/19/2006 5:40:49 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Ninety-three days (counting up))
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To: ExGeeEye
"Just attach a flux capacitor, step down the power to a mere 1.21 jiggawatts, and away you go...

Hmmm, but are you sure this will work with the hydrogen re combiners in combination with the flux capacitor?

193 posted on 08/19/2006 6:36:39 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: tdewey10

"Cold Fusion alert."

Naa. Cold fusion actually works. This is baloney.


194 posted on 08/19/2006 7:19:07 AM PDT by Flightdeck
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To: Fresh Wind
They don't need "credible, academic validation in the public domain", they need a working product.

Apparently they don't believe in it enough to invest any time and money into developing a product.

195 posted on 08/19/2006 7:23:30 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: JamesP81

"This is not passing the smell test even slightly. Nothing wrong with a review of it, I suppose, if only to get the kooks to be quiet. Reminds me of that cold fusion debacle a few years back."

I suppose this idea could be considered stupider than cold fusion---though not very much stupider. Don't forget how the cold fusion fiasco ended. The Utah State Legislature came up with another 1 or 2 million dollars to give these two guys running the scam---but they had already vanished! They've never been heard from since.

These people have some kind of magic trick. One of the keys to this kind of situation is---they bring in qualified physicists, but physicists are not necessarily the best people to debunk a magic trick. They need to bring in that guy who makes a living debunking all magic processes---can't remember his name. I believe he is both a physicist and a licensed magician.

Another possibility is that these people have secretly corrupted a respected physicist somehow and will "plant" him among the testers. It's got to be some kind of relatively fast sting, I would think. "Due to overwhelming demand, we are only able to make this extraordinary ground-floor investment opportunity available for the next 24 hours...Please wire cash via Western Union."


196 posted on 08/19/2006 7:31:08 AM PDT by strategofr (The Temping of America, Robert Bork, read this book and get back the Constitution)
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To: strategofr
James Randi Educational Foundation. You can search on "free energy."
197 posted on 08/19/2006 7:41:33 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Everything is blasphemy to somebody.)
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To: timer
"Look, the universe is supposedly 2/3 "dark energy" or the ZPE, basically "tired photons" bouncing around in this lowest floor/burbling sea, of the energy universe;"

Physicists don't know what "dark matter" or "dark energy" is or does, so why should the average person?

There are several theories to explaim the accelerating expansion fot he univers, but none are yet very satisfactory. It could be some sort of low energy matter, some extra-dimensional force, or the warping of spacetime itself (kinda like rolling downhill)

Earlier this year I discussed this with Dr. Sylvester Gates (father of supersymmetry and world reknowned researcher in cosmology and superstring theory).

He doesn't know what you suggest everybody should know.

I asked him if it was possible for energy to be transferred between our dimensions and those additional 6/7 dimensions. he said that not only is it posible but that it will likely take the form of particles.

So I asked if that energy could be the source of the accelration. He said they thought about that several years ago, but that now it may be worth reconsidering the idea.

We still do not have even fully satisfactory mathematical frameworks to explain the physics of the universe. We have to change our assumptions and frameworks everytime we change the scale or nature of our investigation.

I am not convinced we even properly understand our current dimensions, nor the affects of space. We do not even understand all the properties of space. (yes, space has properties that affects the flow of energy)

Cosmology is in a bit of turmoil right now (since 1998). We cannot explain the acceleration; we cannot explain how we came to exist aqs life when so many universal constants had to assume very precise values. The slightest variation in any one of 12 or more constants would mean life could not exist, or even that protons, neutrons, atoms might not exist (no coalescence) thus just sheer clouds of energy.

To account for some of this they bring up ideas like the multi-verse to hamdle the huge improbability of our existence. (a very, very unsatisfying theory but practically the only one currently available that does require the pre-existence of a Creator)

Even superstring theory has not been experimentally validated.

So if some website is stating such grand facts about the cosmos then they are leading you on. They are full of it, and have some other agenda to take your money, no doubt.

198 posted on 08/19/2006 8:34:31 AM PDT by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: PatrickHenry

Maybe they can get Kreskin to endorse their technology......


199 posted on 08/19/2006 8:37:56 AM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: PatrickHenry

"James Randi Educational Foundation. You can search on "free energy.""

That's the guy. He is quite cool.


200 posted on 08/19/2006 8:49:27 AM PDT by strategofr (The Temping of America, Robert Bork, read this book and get back the Constitution)
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