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Lebanese Christians " A Plague On Both Your Houses "
Lebanon ^ | 8 -- 18 -- 06

Posted on 08/18/2006 12:38:53 PM PDT by okiedog

South Lebanon Christians bitter over Israeli attack

QLAIAH, Lebanon: Ever since a truce between Israel and Hizbollah took hold this week, Boulos Abu Hamad and his family have been cleaning up the damage they say was left by Israeli troops who occupied their home for a night.

Their properties have only been moderately affected compared to the devastation of nearby Shi’ite Muslim towns, but residents of some Christian areas in southern Lebanon are just as angry with the Israelis.

“We are Maronite Christians. We are neither with Israel nor with Hizbollah nor with any other party so why did they do this to us?” said Abu Hamad’s wife, breaking into tears.

“Their troops came and ruined the bedroom furniture. We threw out the clothes I bought for my sister’s wedding because they ruined them and sacked the drawers and cupboards. They left nothing intact. Even their dogs left mess in the house.”

Many Lebanese Christians, Sunni Muslims and Druze have criticised Hizbollah for touching off the war by capturing two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid on July 12.

But they are also furious with Israel’s devastating response, which killed at least 1,100 people in Lebanon. One hundred and fifty-seven Israelis were killed in the conflict.

When Israeli troops invaded Lebanon last week and occupied the Christian villages of Marjayoun and Qlaiah — once home to the defunct pro-Israeli South Lebanon Army militia — they went from house to house, locals say, hammering down doors, breaking glass and trashing the contents for no reason they could fathom.

Soldiers took up positions in the neighbouring villages, entering and leaving residential areas after imposing a curfew.

Barely a shot was fired from Qlaiah, which was occupied by Israel until 2000, at Israeli infantry that advanced from the border to Christian towns around Aug. 10. Villagers say Hizbollah did not fight from among them.

No one thought the area would come under attack, and in comparison to nearby Hizbollah strongholds where houses and shops have been completely flattened, it has not.

A few buildings in the picturesque cobbled square of Marjayoun had been hit, apparently after some shots were fired at advancing Israeli troops.

Israeli soldiers also entered Marjayoun barracks and the town hall, their tanks crumpling or flattening the cars parked outside it and leaving imprints on the tarmac.

A peek through the padlocked gate into a clinic in Qlaiah reveals white doctors’ coats hanging up and a table of medical tools nearby, surrounded by broken glass and metal.

Glass litters a nearby optician’s and dental clinic, where neighbours say medical equipment has been damaged.

“May God not bring them fortune,” said one resident surveying the damage. “It is disgusting,” agreed another.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; caughtinthemiddle; lebanesechristians; lebanon
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1 posted on 08/18/2006 12:38:55 PM PDT by okiedog
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To: okiedog

"Those who lie down with dogs, get up with fleas."


2 posted on 08/18/2006 12:43:02 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: okiedog

Sounds like some pretty trivial stuff these folks are whining about to me.


3 posted on 08/18/2006 12:46:46 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

I doubt you would think getting your own home blown up was "trivial".


4 posted on 08/18/2006 12:49:01 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Popocatapetl

"When elephants fight, the grass gets trampled." old African proverb..............


5 posted on 08/18/2006 12:49:33 PM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: ozzymandus

Who said the home got blown up? Did you read the article?


6 posted on 08/18/2006 12:50:55 PM PDT by Blogger (http://www.propheteuon.com)
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To: okiedog
We are neither with Israel nor with Hizbollah

Wrong. You ARE with Hezbollah. You need to solve that problem first.

7 posted on 08/18/2006 12:51:23 PM PDT by Lekker 1 (("Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau" - I. Fisher, Yale Econ Prof, 1929))
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To: okiedog
But they are also furious with Israel’s devastating response, which killed at least 1,100 people in Lebanon. One hundred and fifty-seven Israelis were killed in the conflict.

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It was disproportionate!

8 posted on 08/18/2006 12:52:07 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: okiedog

Oh, so you were going to remain "neutral" while Muslims fired rockets from the house next door at another country. As long as your clan kept their head down, and didn't interfere with an armed terrorist group using your 'hood as a staging ground, you figured it would be cool?


9 posted on 08/18/2006 12:53:37 PM PDT by giobruno
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To: ozzymandus
"I doubt you would think getting your own home blown up was "trivial".



From the Article:

"No one thought the area would come under attack, and in comparison to nearby Hizbollah strongholds where houses and shops have been completely flattened, it has not."
10 posted on 08/18/2006 12:55:00 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: okiedog

Interesting from Wikipedia

Famous Maronites
Kalil Gibran, philosopher

Carlos Ghosn, CEO Nissan

Elie Saab, fashion designer

Danny Thomas, actor, philanthropist

Marlo Thomas, actress, philanthropist

Ralph Nader, politician, lobbyist

Paul Anka, singer

Toni shalhoub, actor

Kathy Njeimy, actress

Salma Hayek, actress,

Abraham Spencer, politician

Philip Habib, diplomat

Amin al-Rayhani, poet

Mario Kassar, filmmaker

Elie Samaha, filmmaker

Joe Lahoud, baseball player

Dr. Ray Irani, businessman

James Zoghby, activist

George Maloof Jr., entrepreneur

Paul Jabara, composer

Callie Khourie, screenwriter

Octavia E. Nasr, CNN Editor

Anthony Shadid, Pulitzer Prize reporter

Michael Sallah, Pulitzer Prize reporter

and many, many more....


11 posted on 08/18/2006 12:55:11 PM PDT by Blogger (http://www.propheteuon.com)
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To: okiedog

Smart "Lebanese Christians" knew that they lost their country over 20 years ago. I know many who got out and are glad they did.

For those that couldn't leave, I'm truly sorry. Ask you moose-lim neighbors why 155mm arty and 500lb Rockeyes are raining down on your heads.


12 posted on 08/18/2006 12:55:36 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Prokopton

I stand corrected.


13 posted on 08/18/2006 12:55:55 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Prokopton

The Hezbullies were intentionally staying in Christian villages, weren't they? Where is the outrage with them?


14 posted on 08/18/2006 12:56:22 PM PDT by Blogger (http://www.propheteuon.com)
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To: okiedog
“We are Maronite Christians"

Maybe you better ally yourselves with Israel

15 posted on 08/18/2006 12:58:29 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: rogue yam

Be careful who you elect into the government next time.


16 posted on 08/18/2006 12:58:37 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Blogger

Kalil Gibran??


17 posted on 08/18/2006 12:59:38 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: okiedog

One of the problems is that, 20 years ago, when Israel abruptly abandoned Lebanon, it unceremoniously dumped the Christian militias that were fighting for it. There is a lot of resentment about this and I think much of the Christians' inability to trust Israel comes from the fact that they feel they were betrayed once before for the short-term political goals of Israel. This was not a good strategy for Israel. But Israel's retreats are never a good strategy for it, even though at the time they may be politcally expedient.


18 posted on 08/18/2006 1:01:09 PM PDT by livius
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To: ozzymandus

I think it mentioned Hezbollah homes being blown up, not their homes.


19 posted on 08/18/2006 1:02:01 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: okiedog
“We are Maronite Christians. We are neither with Israel nor with Hizbollah nor with any other party so why did they do this to us?” said Abu Hamad’s wife, breaking into tears.

Because you failed to do the job yourself when you should have.

20 posted on 08/18/2006 1:02:49 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: Blogger

Reads like a who's who in the Christian Science organization.


21 posted on 08/18/2006 1:03:02 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: All

Q: Holy Father, Christianity has spread around the world starting from Europe. Now many people think that the future of the Church is to be found in other continents. Is that true? Or, in other words, what is the future of Christianity in Europe, where it looks like it's being reduced to the private affair of a minority?

Benedict XVI: I'd like to introduce a few subtleties. It's true, as we know, that Christianity began in the Near East. And for a long time, its main development continued there. Then it spread in Asia, much more than what we think today after the changes brought about by Islam. Precisely for this reason its axis moved noticeably toward the West and Europe. Europe -- we're proud and pleased to say so -- further developed Christianity in its broader intellectual and cultural dimensions.

But I think it's important to remind ourselves about the Eastern Christians because there's the present danger of them emigrating, these Christians who have always been an important minority living in a fruitful relationship with the surrounding reality. There's a great danger that these places where Christianity had its origins will be left without Christians. I think we need to help them a lot so that they can stay.

...

http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=70314


22 posted on 08/18/2006 1:03:20 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: bnelson44

That's what it said. Says he was born in a Maronite town.


23 posted on 08/18/2006 1:04:33 PM PDT by Blogger (http://www.propheteuon.com)
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To: ozzymandus
They have had 23 years to find somewhere safe to be since Israel pulled out in '83. The Muslims began their military build up that got to this point at that time.If they didn't want to leave, they could have fought.

I was in the Marines back then and I remember the loss of Headquarters Company, 8th Marines.

I am not glad they lost their homes but - compared to their own in.action - the part of anyone else played in their loss of their homes IS trivial. Feel free to debate this point by point.

I don't go for any of that "I have no responsibility to plan" crap the Maronites are selling. If they want to immigrate here fine - I'll even employ some. But if they keep choosing To stay there, they'd best put together an army with artillery and air support or quite crying.

24 posted on 08/18/2006 1:04:42 PM PDT by MrEdd (More cheep than a flock of baby chickens.)
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To: Blogger

I'm sure the Christians in Lebanon are pissed, and helpless to some degree. But I'd like to hear about it without the media filter. I notice they "criticize" Hezbollah, but are "furious" with the Israelis. Sure it's not the other way around?


25 posted on 08/18/2006 1:06:55 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: okiedog

I recall back in 82' or 83' that the Christian militias in Lebannon were armed to teeth. Were they neutered by the Israeli occupation?


26 posted on 08/18/2006 1:07:07 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: Blogger

Read the article. It clearly mentioned that Hezbollah did not fire on Israelis from that village.


27 posted on 08/18/2006 1:08:39 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: okiedog
“We are Maronite Christians. We are neither with Israel nor with Hizbollah nor with any other party so why did they do this to us?” said Abu Hamad’s wife, breaking into tears.

Send a bill to the IDF ... being that they are Christians they MIGHT just pay it.

28 posted on 08/18/2006 1:09:03 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam is a subsingularity memetic perversion : (http://www.orionsarm.com/topics/perversities.html))
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To: Popocatapetl

The Christians were there first, so they didn't exactly choose to lie down with the dogs.


29 posted on 08/18/2006 1:09:15 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Minutemen

They did during and after the first invasion. Israel left them to the tender mercies of Hezbollah the way the US left the Southern Vietnamese. You can imagine how good their life has been since.


30 posted on 08/18/2006 1:09:33 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: livius
There is a lot of resentment about this and I think much of the Christians' inability to trust Israel comes from the fact that they feel they were betrayed once before

I'm sure you're right about that. Not that the Lebanese Christians haven't been a touch ambivalent about the Jeee-oos. I remember when they joined the attack against Israel in 1967, and I believe they were part of the Arab projects to exterminate the Jews in 1948 and 1956.

Did Lebanon recognize Israel diplomatically when it majority Christian?

31 posted on 08/18/2006 1:09:35 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: okiedog

"they went from house to house, locals say, hammering down doors, breaking glass and trashing the contents for no reason they could fathom."

If they really did that then these people obviously should be compensated by Israel.


32 posted on 08/18/2006 1:10:35 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: thoughtomator

I'd to see you, as a civilian, try to take on a well armed militia that has just kicked the IDF in the teeth. It's really easy to criticize.


33 posted on 08/18/2006 1:11:25 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: Minutemen

Marionette?

So they are puppets on a string? Sounds about right.


34 posted on 08/18/2006 1:12:40 PM PDT by kinghorse (I calls them like I sees them)
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To: ozzymandus
I doubt you would think getting your own home blown up was "trivial".

Uh...dude. Did you and I read the same article? The one I read is at the top of this thread. It said, in relevant part...

Boulos Abu Hamad and his family have been cleaning up the damage they say was left by Israeli troops who occupied their home for a night.

Their properties have only been moderately affected ...

“Their troops came and ruined the bedroom furniture. We threw out the clothes I bought for my sister’s wedding because they ruined them and sacked the drawers and cupboards. They left nothing intact. Even their dogs left mess in the house.”

Where do you get that their house was "blown up"? Now, I used the word "trivial" and of course such a judgement is subjective and relative. If at a time of peace a stranger came into my home and did the above things, I'd be irate. But this was a war. People were killed and whole villages were razed as inevitably happens in war. Yet these folks in this article are whining over having to clean up dog poop (possibly) and buy some new furniture and clothes. I call that trivial. Others may well disagree with me, but whatever you think, their house was not "blown up".

35 posted on 08/18/2006 1:13:24 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

OK, late hit. I see that others said this above and the matter was cleared.


36 posted on 08/18/2006 1:16:08 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: thoughtomator

"Because you failed to do the job yourself when you should have."

Which illustrates my point that there are three interests in what happens in Lebannon -- Muslims, Christians and Israelis. America cannot simply accept the theology of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell or the politics of Likud in seeking partners for peace.


37 posted on 08/18/2006 1:16:19 PM PDT by okiedog
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To: winner3000

That wasn't what I was referring to. I'm talking about Hezbollah using Christian villages as human shields so that the Israeli's would be taking out Christians in their effort to root out Hezbully.


38 posted on 08/18/2006 1:18:29 PM PDT by Blogger (http://www.propheteuon.com)
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To: okiedog
Brave Maronite Christians resisted conversion to Islam BTT
39 posted on 08/18/2006 1:23:11 PM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (Madeline Albright ZaPeezda, no doubt about it!)
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To: okiedog

I don't understand what you are trying to say.


40 posted on 08/18/2006 1:25:57 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Centurion2000
"Send a bill to the IDF ... being that they are Christians they MIGHT just pay it."

Say What?

41 posted on 08/18/2006 1:26:48 PM PDT by norton
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To: kinghorse
"Marionette? "

" So they are puppets on a string? Sounds about right."

Sound like french puppets, no less.

42 posted on 08/18/2006 1:26:50 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: okiedog

We tend to make up our own minds around here, and don't just accept anyone's "theology". I can tell you I'll never accept any islamonazi "theology", though.


43 posted on 08/18/2006 1:28:41 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: norton
Oh, OK:
"Send a bill to the IDF ... being that they (lebanese Marionites) are Christians they MIGHT just pay it.
That it?
44 posted on 08/18/2006 1:29:32 PM PDT by norton
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To: winner3000

"I'd to see you, as a civilian, try to take on a well armed militia that has just kicked the IDF in the teeth. It's really easy to criticize."

Especially from 8,000 miles away.


45 posted on 08/18/2006 1:29:39 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: okiedog
The Lebanese Christian has much to fear. The same Hezbollah that fights the Israelis, will soon turn their psychotic blood lust towards the Christians. Then, because they made up their mind to hate the Israelis, they will be in the corner the Arab world wants them to be. They will not face the reality that Iran wants Lebanon pure and simple. Then it will be too late. They may cry about dog poop in their homes now but soon the Christians will be so many heads bouncing through the streets.
46 posted on 08/18/2006 1:41:45 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Popocatapetl
My thoughts exactly. Lebanon would not likely have gone through the civil war and terrorist semi-takeover if we had not lost Iran. Jimmy didn't try to help the Shah. I suppose he was worried about his human rights record, which looks good compared to the current thugs in charge.
47 posted on 08/18/2006 1:42:31 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Lekker 1


THEY ARE CHRISTIANS!


48 posted on 08/18/2006 1:42:35 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (Try reading the article before you post)
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To: winner3000

If my nation wouldn't defend me and I couldn't defend myself, I'd have gotten the hell out of there. What was he doing for all these years while Hezbollah was turning his town into a military base?


49 posted on 08/18/2006 1:43:20 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: bnelson44; Blogger
Gibran's biographers, Bushrui and Jenkins, sas that "although Gibran was a Maronite Christian, his writings through the years reflect his desire to merge the Sufi Muslim tradition with the Christian mystical heritage of his background.''

Whatever that means...

50 posted on 08/18/2006 1:45:25 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The moving finger writes, and having writ, moves on...)
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