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What Is 'Islamofascism'? A history of the word from the first Westerner to use it.
weeklystandard ^ | Stephen Schwartz

Posted on 08/18/2006 1:30:30 PM PDT by humint

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To: sauropod

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21 posted on 08/18/2006 4:55:29 PM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
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To: WildBill2275
Unfortunately, the American President was too concerned about the distraction in his knee well to pay attention and deal appropriately with bin Laden’s repeated provocations...

Your comment expresses rather well what I meant about the West not caring about the problem of Islamic Fascism (as well as the jargon) before 9/11. You made my point for me - and still called it ludicrous? That’s just silly. There were excellent books written by Westerners on the topic of Islamic Fundamentalism before 9/11 but that literature was not representative of Western attitudes back then. These days, the West is demonstratively more aware of the “threat” [by whatever name you want to call it] than before 9/11. The important thing here is that calling the threat “Islam” in its entirety is wrong. Organized religion is no more a threat to your life and liberty than any other organized ideology. There are more than 1 billion Muslims in the World and if they were all trying to kill you, you’d probably be dead already. Yes, there are some “Fascist” Muslims who are trying to organize all other Muslims to kill you, but it hasn’t worked yet. Give the fascists time and it may work. Call all Muslims the enemy and fight them as such and the fascists may indeed convince other Muslims to fight you. How many do you think the fascists need to convince to kick start a major war? I think they’re getting close. How many do you think the fascists have already convinced that live right down the street from you? You don’t know do you… You’d have to ask them wouldn’t you? Try it… say to him or her --- “Pardon me neighbor, are you Muslim and are you plotting to kill me?”

History is clear on this point – we can’t do anything to influence a fascist that wants to kill us. Fortunately there aren’t many of them. That’s not to suggest stopping them is going to be easy. What we can do is make sure fascists are denied the ability to flourish. Using appropriate tactics is critical to successfully stopping these bastards. The first step toward denying the fascists comfort is specifically identifying who they are. There are a few Westerners who’ve been able to identify them but again, like before 9/11, the West is in a dangerous cognitive position. We’re in danger because most Westerns cannot conceptualize nor articulate the core threat to their life and liberty. History is clear on this point as well; if the situation remains this way, expect the West to be conquered and ruled by a tyrant.

22 posted on 08/18/2006 6:08:16 PM PDT by humint (...err the least and endure! --- VDH)
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On November 4, 1979, Iranian “students” took over the US embassy in Tehran, Iran. The spineless American President, Jimmy Carter, went into the Rose Garden to pray. The standoff lasted 444 days from November 4, 1979 until January 20, 1981. Can you guess what else happened on January 20, 1981? If you guessed that Ronald Reagan was sworn in as the fortieth President of the United States with 489 electoral votes, you are correct.

We did not negotiate. The people of the United States sent a clear message to the Islamic fundamentalists. We supported our President and the Muslims understood the strength that that gave him. This shows that the Muslim world fully understands what is at risk when you play with a gentle giant. This also shows why the likes of Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, John Murtha, Barbara Streisand, etc. are more of a danger to the United States than the Muslim down the street. They send the wrong message to the Muslims.

With regards to what history shows about stopping fanatics, check August 6, 1945 and August 9, 1945. We did not identify specific people. We made a determination based on the greater good and implemented it.

The key danger to Westerners is the writing of a merchant in about 610AD. His writings say that if you adhere to Islam and someone else does not, it is all right to suppress him, enslave him, rob him or kill him if he resists. Not what I call a religion of peace!


23 posted on 08/19/2006 5:54:22 PM PDT by WildBill2275 (The Second Amendment guarantees all of your other rights.)
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To: gcruse

The Nazi party was (for the most part) a left wing ideaology. Read the below, for more info:




"Who was he?"


- He had been something of a bohemian in his youth, and always regarded young people and their idealism as the key to progress and the overcoming of outmoded prejudices. And he was widely admired by the young people of his country, many of whom belonged to organizations devoted to practicing and propagating his teachings. He had a lifelong passion for music, art, and architecture, and was even something of a painter.

He rejected what he regarded as petty bourgeois moral hang-ups, and he and his girlfriend "lived together" for years. He counted a number of homosexuals as friends and collaborators, and took the view that a man's personal morals were none of his business; some scholars of his life believe that he himself may have been homosexual or bisexual.

He was ahead of his time where a number of contemporary progressive causes are concerned: he disliked smoking, regarding it as a serious danger to public health, and took steps to combat it; he was a vegetarian and animal lover; he enacted tough gun control laws; and he advocated euthanasia for the incurably ill.


He championed the rights of workers, regarded capitalist society as brutal and unjust, and sought a third way between communism and the free market. In this regard, he and his associates greatly admired the strong steps taken by President Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal to take large-scale economic decision-making out of private hands and put it into those of government planning agencies. His aim was to institute a brand of socialism that avoided the inefficiencies that plagued the Soviet variety, and many former communists found his program highly congenial.

He deplored the selfish individualism he took to be endemic to modern Western society, and wanted to replace it with an ethic of self-sacrifice:
"As Christ proclaimed 'love one another'," he said, "so our call -- 'people's community,' 'public need before private greed,' 'communally-minded social consciousness' -- rings out…! This call will echo throughout the world!"

The reference to Christ notwithstanding, he was not personally a Christian, regarding the Catholicism he was baptized into as an irrational superstition.

In fact he admired Islam more than Christianity, and he and his policies were highly respected by many of the Muslims of his day....

Who was he? He certainly sounds like the ideal presidential candidate of a Pacifica Radio Network listener or Mother Jones subscriber -- or, to make a more timely reference, a contributor to MoveOn.org. It can only add to his appeal for such people that he was a target of American and British bombing raids and had to flee to the safety of an underground hide-out.

And he was none other than Time magazine's Man of the Year for 1938: Adolf Hitler.
By Edward Feser, 'Mustache On the Left'

http://www.techcentralstation.com/010804A.html


24 posted on 08/20/2006 10:37:54 AM PDT by FBD
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To: FBD
oops, typo:
ideology
25 posted on 08/20/2006 10:41:01 AM PDT by FBD
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To: gcruse
Hitler and Socialism
26 posted on 08/20/2006 10:51:18 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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