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Plan to let illegal immigrants apply for driver's licenses is shelved again
Mercury News ^ | Aug. 18, 2006 | Edwin Garcia

Posted on 08/18/2006 3:04:11 PM PDT by FairOpinion

This was the seventh time in seven years that Sen. Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, had tried to pass the measure, which would establish a special license for the state's more than 2 million undocumented immigrants who, according to estimates, are driving.

His most recent efforts have been passed by the Legislature only to be vetoed by Govs. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Gray Davis. This time, the bill was shot down by a Democratic-controlled committee.

Political insiders suggested the measure was perhaps too controversial for an election year. The bill is opposed by Republicans -- and a majority of voters -- who say licenses would reward people in violation of immigration law.

Republican Schwarzenegger, who is running for re-election, has said he would veto the bill. His Democratic opponent, state Treasurer Phil Angelides, supports the measure.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; california; cedillo; driverslicens; driverslicense; illegalimmigrants; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; schwarznegger
Another big difference between Arnold and Angelides.
1 posted on 08/18/2006 3:04:14 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Why the hell does this even come up for serious consideration.


2 posted on 08/18/2006 3:06:38 PM PDT by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: FairOpinion
What's with these mentally-ill morons in The Peoples' Republik of Kali-forni-kate? Treason? Criminals? Charge, arrest, try, convict and execute jail the pro-illegal garbage legislators, dammit!
3 posted on 08/18/2006 3:07:21 PM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: FairOpinion


BUMP!


4 posted on 08/18/2006 3:07:34 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- "if" only 10% are radical, that's 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: Khepera

Twisted Liberal Logic = Reward those who break our laws


5 posted on 08/18/2006 3:07:53 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts ("Liberals see what they believe... Conservatives believe what they see")
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To: FairOpinion
Republican Schwarzenegger, who is running for re-election, has said he would veto the bill.

"True Conservatives" = Wrong Again.

6 posted on 08/18/2006 3:07:58 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: DoughtyOne

"Republican Schwarzenegger, who is running for re-election, has said he would veto the bill. His Democratic opponent, state Treasurer Phil Angelides, supports the measure. "


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Well, what do you think? Remember the choice: Arnold or Angelides.

If Angelides gets elected, the Dem Legislature will pull out that bill and Angelides will sign it so fast, it will make your head spin.


7 posted on 08/18/2006 3:08:11 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion
What exactly is a "special license" and how do I get one? :)
8 posted on 08/18/2006 3:08:33 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Khepera

The Dems keep pushing it.

The only reason they didn't pass it AGAIN, is that Arnold said he would veto it, and they don't want to give Arnold the publicity in an election year, to actually veto the bill and show how anti-American the Dems really are.


9 posted on 08/18/2006 3:10:13 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

Here's hoping a comprehensive immigration bill is not forthcoming from Congre$$ this year or in the foreseeable future that includes "background checks" on illegals which is not likely to be much of a check and just another bureaucratic nightmarish piece of this whole illegals issue..

It is not necessarily true that the gUb would still veto this legislation in the future were such a federal law passed by the feds to make background checks part of the process.

I have a feeling his desire to see the license also bear a special mark would not be as big a concern and likely to cause a veto as he has stated were one of his 2 main concerns in opposing said legislation.

Just wanted to be fair and include that for that record. ;-)


10 posted on 08/18/2006 3:10:20 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NormsRevenge

"Here's hoping a comprehensive immigration bill is not forthcoming from Congre$$ this year "


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Why, do you think the status quo of millions of immigrants coming across the border is better than a reasonable bill?


11 posted on 08/18/2006 3:12:24 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

First its a special license, then its being able to vote, then its citizenship. That is the liberal line. They know most people won't go along with their extreme viewpoints so they want to try to step it along. Just like every other issue. Just say No!


12 posted on 08/18/2006 3:13:23 PM PDT by ritewingwarrior (Where does free speech end, and sedition begin?)
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To: NormsRevenge

I guess you are saying, that if there were a Federal Law, Arnold would obey it, not break it.

I suppose you would want him to break the law and get arrested.


13 posted on 08/18/2006 3:13:55 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

Issues like this remind us of why the purists strategy is so flawed.

Even assuming a fantasy scenario where conservatives deliberately vote republicans out of office, assured that they will regain power of course, after the people see how badly democrats run things.

What is forgotten, is the years of legislation that is passed, like the drivers license bill, enough years of total control gives Dem's a chance to pass boat loads of largely irreversible, self serving laws, that makes it next impossible to remove them.


14 posted on 08/18/2006 3:14:02 PM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: ritewingwarrior

Another important reason we must not allow Angelides to get elected, if we can help it.

Some here WANT to see Angelides elected. Now how conservatives is that?!


15 posted on 08/18/2006 3:15:02 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

I'm one of those Kalifornians! One-Bill Gil is actually my senator. Because of the convoluted way his district was drawn, my city has just about zero influence on the state senate.


16 posted on 08/18/2006 3:15:11 PM PDT by gaussia
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To: FairOpinion

and you would be wrong and he would be in the clear but still violating the will of a majority of the actual states population yet who's voice would once agian be rebndered irrelevant like it has on other issues in the past.


Nice try hiding behind well if the feds say its ok, its ok.. pathetic.


17 posted on 08/18/2006 3:16:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: Khepera
Why the hell does this even come up for serious consideration.

Beside all the illegal immigration advocates...I suspect there are
plenty of small business-persons that want a larger pool of legal drivers.
And insurance companies would probably have millions more on their rolls
(and probably even give a sweetheart rate to illegals).

But I spent a decade in Los Angeles. Nothing suprises me now.
18 posted on 08/18/2006 3:17:11 PM PDT by VOA
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To: FairOpinion

Raises some interesting questions about having the courage of one's convictions, huh? The legislator's Democrats will vote for the bill as long as they're distanced from accepting responsibility for their vote. Real courageous!


19 posted on 08/18/2006 3:20:40 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: FairOpinion

Why, do you think the status quo of millions of immigrants coming across the border is better than a reasonable bill?

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You wouldn't want to actually encourage more to come and make it even easier for them to move across the nation with ease or legitimize the too many millions already here?

Your true colors are showing. Thanks!


20 posted on 08/18/2006 3:21:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

It isn't just California.

You and me are just cogs in the machine of the global economy.

Citizens and illegal aliens are equal on their economic spreadsheet.


21 posted on 08/18/2006 3:25:01 PM PDT by Nickname
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To: PRND21

I think Arnold will sign it "after a few tiny changes"


22 posted on 08/18/2006 3:25:45 PM PDT by GeronL (flogerloon.blogspot.com -------------> Rise of the Hate Party)
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To: FairOpinion

Pass the bill, and when the illegal aliens go to the DMV to apply for the license, arrest and deport them.


23 posted on 08/18/2006 3:28:13 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: GeronL

"I think Arnold will sign it "after a few tiny changes"



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Now you are a mindreader?

Didn't you read the article, this was the SEVENTH time Cedillo tried to get it passed and signed?


24 posted on 08/18/2006 3:30:16 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Khepera

Haha, shot down by Dems. I love it.


25 posted on 08/18/2006 3:32:25 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: GeronL
I think Arnold will sign it "after a few tiny changes"

He has repeatedly killed it...think again.

26 posted on 08/18/2006 3:33:07 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: FairOpinion

Just a feeling. I think after the election he will come up with a compromise to get illegal aliens liceses. Of course they could just accept the Mexican ID as a valid license but who knows what the future holds?


27 posted on 08/18/2006 3:34:23 PM PDT by GeronL (flogerloon.blogspot.com -------------> Rise of the Hate Party)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
What's with these mentally-ill morons in The Peoples' Republik of Kali-forni-kate?

You have liberals in PA too. If your state was a border state full of illegals, your liberals would be advocating the same thing.

28 posted on 08/18/2006 3:38:51 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: FairOpinion
Just two words why the Rats want this bill passed....Motor Voter.
29 posted on 08/18/2006 3:39:28 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (12th district Freeper.)
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To: FairOpinion

Give tham a "special license."

One with a chip in it that give them an unstoppable urge to go to Mexico and stay there. (If only there was such a chip.)


30 posted on 08/18/2006 3:47:25 PM PDT by CPOSharky (MSM - Live hizbozo = freedom fighter. Dead hizbozo = innocent civilian.)
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To: gaussia

Hang in there, g; better days are ahead. (I hope)


31 posted on 08/18/2006 4:27:03 PM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: lesser_satan

"Pass the bill, and when the illegal aliens go to the DMV to apply for the license, arrest and deport them."

Ha! great idea.


32 posted on 08/18/2006 5:02:02 PM PDT by 3Quartets
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To: FairOpinion

Okay, I'll bite.

A comprehensive immigration bill out of Congress would not likely bolster existing law, but erode it. Dems may be the minority, up there, but they have several jello-brained RINOS ready and willing to vote with them to sabotage the interests of "We, The People", which is how we ended up with such radically different House and Senate bills.

That's the short answer.

Yeah, I agree with you that the status quo sucks, but anything Congress would be likely to do has slim-to-no chance of actually improving the situation. I'd far rather simply see GWB sign an Executive Order affirming the necessity to actively and fully enforce existing immigration law at all levels of government from the Federal to the local.

Actually, more than that, I'd rather see all levels of government from the Federal to the local actively and fully enforce existing immigration law WITHOUT any input from Washington.


33 posted on 08/18/2006 5:10:40 PM PDT by HKMk23 (NOW only 4 shopping days left until 8-22-2006!)
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To: HKMk23; FairOpinion

Bravo on excellent discernment.

Fair: Here's a good chance to tell us what brought on this deviation from your usual scathing attacks on those who feel our country is worth defending.


34 posted on 08/18/2006 10:06:23 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: FairOpinion

one bill gil is at it again.


35 posted on 08/18/2006 10:11:07 PM PDT by television is just wrong (our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

"what brought on this deviation"


This is not a deviation -- you shouldn't believe all the lies some people spread about me.


36 posted on 08/18/2006 11:27:29 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: NewRomeTacitus; FairOpinion

I don't know that I'd consider it a "deviation". As I read post 11, F.O. opines that a "reasonable bill" would be preferable to the status quo. That opinion doesn't express that the country isn't worth defending, it simply states that another method of defense, vis-a-vis a "reasonable bill", could be better.

I, for one, would be intereseted in seeing F.O.'s opinion as to what would constitute such a "reasonable bill", along with a credible rationale for a scenario in which such a bill might actually survive both houses of Congress and get signed into law by President Bush.

My own sense of the situation is that any bill "We, The People" would REALLY like -- a bill that would definitely improve the situation -- MIGHT get throught the House, would get destroyed in the Senate, and, if by some Divine Intervention it DID pass the Senate, this President would refuse to sign it.


37 posted on 08/19/2006 12:11:30 PM PDT by HKMk23 (NOW only 3 shopping days left until 8-22-2006! And counting...)
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To: HKMk23
Heh heh. I didn't say I agreed with her, just noting that she didn't dump a truckload of "party over country" as usual.

For the record: I back HR 4437, Rep. Norwood's CLEAR Act that clears local law enforcement officers to arrest illegals on immigration charges and (once and for all) making English the Official Language of the United States.

Unpopularly, I believe that we need to implement a national ID card that stays ahead of forgery technology (thus ruining the fake document industry) and making the IRS and SSI databases available to law enforcement. ICE needs to double it's personnel working inland (for starters) while the ACLU, MALDEF, and La Raza are put on the defensive with charges of treason.
38 posted on 08/19/2006 3:39:27 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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