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Real Crime, Fake Justice (England)
City Journal ^ | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 08/19/2006 3:05:06 AM PDT by dirtboy

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1 posted on 08/19/2006 3:05:08 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Joe Brower; blackie

ping to self-defense article


2 posted on 08/19/2006 3:14:50 AM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: dirtboy

The model system, according to gun control groupies. This is America's future if the liberals dominated as in Great Britain.


3 posted on 08/19/2006 3:25:46 AM PDT by razorbak
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David Fraser, who has just published a book entitled A Land Fit for Criminals—the land in question being Great Britain, of course ..

We should all try to get hold of it to read it. There are a lot of scandals in the British justice system.

4 posted on 08/19/2006 3:28:36 AM PDT by BlackVeil
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In America we briefly experimented with the "social therapy" folderol for criminals and then abandoned it for tough on crime policies. Europe thinks that makes us barbarians. If keeping the public safe makes America unloved in Europe then we prefer that safety to being in their good graces.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

5 posted on 08/19/2006 3:32:09 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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no Briton nowadays goes many hours without wondering how to avoid being victimized by a criminal intent on theft, burglary, or violence.

I'm an American who has been living in Britain for the last few years (work...blah...coming home in a few days!), but I totally disagree with that. I've never been afraid here, and I don't know anyone who is either, and I live in a rough neighborhood (New Cross). I worry more when I'm back home in Chicago than I do here, and I always have.

6 posted on 08/19/2006 3:46:17 AM PDT by anthropos
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I knew Britain had problems just from reading my NRA magazine, but this is SHOCKING!

I dare say, things would get a lot more bearable for the general public if a concealed/carry law were passed. It has a way of producing real parity between criminal and victim. I don't see this happening though.

Great article. Thanks for posting!
7 posted on 08/19/2006 3:47:10 AM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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8 posted on 08/19/2006 3:48:39 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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with the UK i don't see how anyone can conclude that westminster will eventually have complete surveillance of all activity of all subjects, with records retained forever, and legal prohibitions (if not already there) against almost anything they want to pull out of the books.

If the state is smart, they will only use the power to disqualify/intimidate potential political opposition, and then only sparingly. with that kind of data to mine, i don't see how anyone could come through completely clean.


9 posted on 08/19/2006 3:57:26 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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"It has a way of producing real parity between criminal and victim. I don't see this happening though."

Are you kidding? I believe it is a potential offence to come to the aid of an old lady being mugged. I have specifically read that people are advised not to do so.


10 posted on 08/19/2006 3:59:18 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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"...liberal intellectuals who pretend to see in crime a natural and understandable response to social injustice..."

There's the problem.


11 posted on 08/19/2006 3:59:19 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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Liberals adore murderers and thugs. The bleeding heart crowd that works for the abolition of capital punishment and a permissive rehabilitation approach for violent criminals are by and large liberal.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

12 posted on 08/19/2006 4:02:40 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: WoofDog123

I believe you are right. Some of the stuff the NRA prints are real horror stories. I just had no idea it was so pervasive.


13 posted on 08/19/2006 4:22:36 AM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: dirtboy

-bflr-


14 posted on 08/19/2006 5:24:19 AM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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What one believes is important. The Bible teaches that people are born with the spiritual birth defect of sin and that the heart of a man is "evil from his youth," (Original Sin). Humanists believe that man is good and society is evil, so even an evil-doer is not to blame for his actions and should not be punished too harshly. Humanist societies ultimately fail because they are based on a false supposition.


15 posted on 08/19/2006 5:33:08 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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liberal intellectuals who pretend to see in crime a natural and understandable response to social injustice, which it would be a further injustice to punish
Somebody should be targeting these morons. Putting their names and addresses on leaflets distributed in parts of town where the "victims" of "social injustice" live.

Go rob this house, the leaflet should say. They'll give you extra stuff just for showing up!

16 posted on 08/19/2006 5:34:57 AM PDT by samtheman
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Years ago, at a Million Mom rally in Denver, a guy from the Tyranny Response Team printed up some really nice yard signs that said "This Home is a Gun-Free Zone" and offered them up to the liberal idiots leaving the rally. None were willing to take the signs.


17 posted on 08/19/2006 5:37:53 AM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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bloated and totally ineffectual bureaucratic apparatus
This is the real problem. In all of Europe. And increasingly in America.
18 posted on 08/19/2006 5:39:58 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: singfreedom

" In such circumstances, all activity became strictly pro forma, with no purpose external to itself." This is a great description of bureaucracy in general. If the so-calle Conservative party would take this issue to heart, they might have a winner, but once the state takes over health care, they can't talk about anything else, and everyuthing else goes to pot.


19 posted on 08/19/2006 5:40:50 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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Liberals adore murderers and thugs.
And suicide bombers. And jihadists who enslave women and murder lesbians and gays.

Those liberals. Their contradictions are huge.

20 posted on 08/19/2006 5:42:13 AM PDT by samtheman
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