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Is Murtha Getting the Last Laugh?
Pittsburgh Post Gazette ^ | 8/20/06 | Margaret Talev

Posted on 08/20/2006 6:01:23 AM PDT by Coop

"...[w]hen people lose confidence in that official, they have no power at all." [said Murtha]

Mr. Murtha's outspokenness has made him a target. A North Carolina-based group called Vets for the Truth has launched a "Boot Murtha" campaign, inviting protesters to an Oct. 1 rally in Johnstown.

Organizer Larry Bailey is a retired Navy SEAL who said he was driven not by Mr. Murtha's stance on troop redeployment but by the congressman's assertion in May, before a thorough investigation, that Marines in Haditha had killed innocent Iraqi civilians "in cold blood."

"I have some misgivings myself about what's going on in Iraq," Mr. Bailey said. "Until May 17, I wasn't the least bit interested in the 12th District of Pennsylvania."

Mr. Murtha said bad acts by soldiers hurt the military and should be aired. "I've supported the troops my entire political career," he said. "I don't think there would have been an investigation if I hadn't said something. You have to make it public."

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[Coop note: There already was an investigation, you lying sack of trash. And your problem is you have already proclaimed the Marines guilty, thereby denying them presumption of innocence and due process. They are "decorated, hawkish Marine combat veterans." They've earned that much, Traitor!!]

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; abscam; cutandrun; exmarine; irey; murtha; murthawatch; peanutbrainsaganite; saganiteandmurtha; saganiteisalazyidiot; talev
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"...[w]hen people lose confidence in that official, they have no power at all." [said Murtha]

The irony is stunning, Jackie.

Mr. Murtha is expected to win re-election handily.

Margaret must have interviewed at least a dozen Democrats and reporters before coming up with that kernel of "wisdom."


If you'd like to shove yet another Murtha puff piece down the throats of Murtha and his shills, please support the ongoing efforts to elect Diana Irey and Boot Murtha.

www.irey.com

www.bootmurtha.com

1 posted on 08/20/2006 6:01:24 AM PDT by Coop
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To: IPWGOP; jazusamo; Just A Nobody

Ping (bring your airsickness bag)


2 posted on 08/20/2006 6:02:46 AM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

Hey Coop, any polls out on this race?


3 posted on 08/20/2006 6:04:34 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Coop
"Mr. Murtha said bad acts by soldiers hurt the military and should be aired. "I've supported the troops my entire political career," he said. "I don't think there would have been an investigation if I hadn't said something. You have to make it public."

It would be one thing if that was his only agenda here. But his actions speak a lot louder than his words.
4 posted on 08/20/2006 6:04:57 AM PDT by stm (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: Coop

Coop, Have you seen any polls concerning Irey-Murtha for the Nov......(...just kidding!!!).

I saw her appearance on Hannity and thelib. She did quite well against Alan, and I hope she beats Traitor Jack in Nov.

(..a Coop and Irey BTTT !!)


5 posted on 08/20/2006 6:06:40 AM PDT by musicman
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To: saganite

If I post a reply to you, I'm afraid you'll again burst into tears.


6 posted on 08/20/2006 6:07:11 AM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

Still acting like the 9 year old you are I see.


7 posted on 08/20/2006 6:08:34 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Coop
The communist Murtha (not Mr. or Senator as the left wing socialists fascists are unconstitutional and therefore guilty of treason) not only labors under the delusion they are intelligent; he is an liar and a foolish man and may suffer some form of mental disease such as Alzheimer's or so.
I'm beginning to think that the left wing are Nazi's and not just neo Nazi's.
8 posted on 08/20/2006 6:09:10 AM PDT by kindred ( Ro.5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.)
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To: saganite

This time I had 'em handy, in anticipation. Now go play in the street, Sweetie.
9 posted on 08/20/2006 6:10:10 AM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop
John Murtha's sycophant "journalist" Margaret Talev, is akin to Clinton's, Monica Lewinsky.

Months after making headlines, John Murtha's popularity booming

The difference being Margaret Talev gives her fellatiatic love towards Murtha in words.

10 posted on 08/20/2006 6:10:12 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Coop
"...[w]hen people lose confidence in that official, they have no power at all." [said Murtha]

When did we adopt 'Pirate Law'?

11 posted on 08/20/2006 6:11:24 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: kindred

Maybe, maybe not. But words aren't getting him out of office.


12 posted on 08/20/2006 6:11:28 AM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

Thanks for proving my point sonny. Same old insults. Is that the best you can do? It's a certainty you can't answer legitimate questions.


13 posted on 08/20/2006 6:12:33 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Coop

does anybody know how Murtha got his
Bronze Star with 'V'.

My working theory is,

he got the officer's finished-your-tour attaboy medal,
and happened to get shot at a few times


14 posted on 08/20/2006 6:13:46 AM PDT by greasepaint
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To: Coop

I rarely criticize Veterans, but this guy is a traitor. His words alone earn this title. Add that asinine town hall meeting with moran, meeting with/accepting an award from code pink...He is despicable.

Let me know the details of the Oct. rally. I just decided, I'm in.


15 posted on 08/20/2006 6:13:49 AM PDT by gate2wire
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To: saganite
Same old insults.

...wails the blind child who shrieked about 9-year olds during his most recent tantrum.

Now shoo!! There should be some good cartoons on a Sunday morning. We're discussing legitimate adult stuff here.

16 posted on 08/20/2006 6:14:37 AM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: gate2wire
Rally details here

Glad to have you aboard! Please bring a friend or two.

17 posted on 08/20/2006 6:16:04 AM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

Dreaming up salacious new lies to "increase his popularity"? (with code pink and answer)

18 posted on 08/20/2006 6:21:45 AM PDT by cf_river_rat (And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee...Genesis 12:3(a), KJV)
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To: Coop
My bad Coop.

After further review, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette(aka Putz-Gazette) retitled the origianl Margaret Talev, McClatchey-Knight Ridder, article.

I surmise the Putz-Gazette editors want to get on the Margaret Talev/Monica Lewinsky bandwagon towards Murtha.

19 posted on 08/20/2006 6:28:10 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

The general article was the same, no doubt. Just wanted to move the puff piece to Sunday, for wider circulation.


20 posted on 08/20/2006 6:29:17 AM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

I could care less if he get his last laugh, just so long as he is NOT re-elected....

GO IREY GO!!!!!!!!!!


21 posted on 08/20/2006 6:32:48 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: musicman
I hope she beats Traitor Jack in Nov.

We all do. But it's gonna take a lot of work, not just hope.

22 posted on 08/20/2006 6:56:45 AM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

LOL! Good one. You're such a joker.


23 posted on 08/20/2006 7:19:57 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Coop

I think it's giving too much credit to Margaret to say she interviewed anyone for this article. I believe it more likely she was handed a script from Murtha's campaign manager, it is blatantly biased.

It is no wonder that the majority of the print media are struggling to survive when editors and publishers allow pieces like this to be printed.


24 posted on 08/20/2006 7:42:28 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Coop

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=\SpecialReports\archive\200601\SPE20060113a.html


'He's a phony and a liar'

Bailey said during the time Murtha was being investigated for his role in the Abscam FBI sting in 1980, Murtha made a confession on the House floor.

... you admitted, back in our corner, that you didn't earn your purple hearts (sic) (you indicated you had small scratch on your cheek that wasn't even directly related to an APC [Armored Personnel Carrier] that ran over a small antipersonnel mine that was behind you). The other purple heart [sic] you even declined to explain," wrote Bailey in an open letter dated May 5, 2002.


May 5, 2002

Dear Jack,



I’m writing on matters of joint concern. A number of weeks ago I was talking with someone who is a mutual acquaintance and your name came up. It was an unusually frank discussion and I considered it private. I did relate some opinions about you and shared some recollections about experiences with you in Congress. I was, to be honest, critical about how you misled me about ABSCAM where you convinced me you had voluntarily told federal agents about the offer of money to you and I learned later, after I had successfully defeated the ethics charges against you, that you had merely manipulated the system to cooperate with federal agents to avoid prosecution.



I also shared my recollection of when you admitted, back in our corner, that you didn’t earn your purple hearts (you indicated you had small scratch on your cheek that wasn’t even directly related to an APC that ran over a small anti personnel mine that was behind you). The other purple heart you even declined to explain.



At the time you were feeling particularly vulnerable, because it wasn’t too long after you had called me crying and sobbing, thanking me for “saving your life” before the ethics committee. There was no doubt in my mind that you were expressing to me that you did not believe you did anything sufficient to earn the purple heart, and that you didn’t want to be active in my efforts to laud Vietnam Veterans that served with us.



Given what I know about the brave men who served in the Marine Corp., I did not criticize you, but to be honest, I was shocked and disappointed in you personally. We both knew what was at issue, and we both know what happened and that you wanted to avoid the limelight. Later, we ended up having to run for the same seat. It was a good clean race and I admit I knew I couldn’t win, simply on the basis of voter turn out alone. During that time some people came to me with documents indicating you had used influence, after the fact, or had embellished your purple heart awards. I did not respond, and I said nothing. In doing so I may have betrayed my comrades in arms because I knew then what you had told me in the corner of the house - but I had told no one about that and I stood mute. But a few weeks ago my conversation was private and I was not seeking to do you any harm, though it would be ridiculous for me to infer that I have any respect for what you’ve done.



Regardless, shortly thereafter a reporter called me and I was put in a very different position. I could either deny what I said in private conversation, and thus lie, or I could fess up to the truth, or, I could take the cowards way out and stand mute. If I say something, I should either have the courage to back it up, or I shouldn’t open my mouth. Regardless it was too late, and I did not choose to lie. So I admitted to what I had said. However, I later received two calls from two different aides of yours, and later I was called a liar in the press. I am not a liar and I want an apology for the remarks you authorized that I didn’t tell the truth about our conversation. I don’t know how you got yourself awarded the purple hearts, but I know you indicated you didn’t earn them.



By the way. I’m not an ingrate. I deeply appreciate the help you gave me for the last governor’s primary. In fact, out of respect for you, when I realized that the race was going no where, I didn’t even cash the check you sent, (which I kept). Being grateful for your help, I have not sought to hurt you - but I will not betray or exploit the young men who died while fighting, with me, for this country. Never coming forward is one thing - I never have. Lying is another. Coincidentally I just settled an 11-year old law suit with Barbara Hafer where she apologized in writing for campaign defamation and admitted that federal agents (Thornburgh’s political friends) lied to her. I will not accept your falsehoods now. Enough is enough.



You clearly indicated to me in a moment of weakness, that you hadn’t deserved the purple hearts and there was no confusion on that. You may deny that all you wish - but you and I know that that conversation took place. Please apologize now. You may fool a few reporters into believing that merely because you got some perfunctory paperwork made out by a friend, that that means you earned the purple hearts. But even if you were awarded the medals later, there should be affidavits from witnesses. These things should be easy to get - where are they? I bet they don’t exist Jack because you are the one who’s lying. Luckily there’s one easy way to settle all this. Call a press conference. Explain where you were and what you were doing when you got the purple hearts. Explain who was with you and treated your wounds, but most important Jack describe your wounds or the lack thereof, as you did for me, years ago. I am absolutely certain that you won’t do that - because, though you may have manipulated some paperwork that says you were awarded the medals (for political purposes) you can’t produce the witnesses or documents to show any wounds or circumstances under which they occurred.Unless the Marine Corps gives out medals for unsubstantiated non -combat related telltale scratches, procured for use in political campaign - then show me the money Jack - because there should at least be evidence by affidavit, or record of the scratches, that’s what getting a purple heart requires - show me.



You may be able to take advantage of a few Washington reporters who don’t have sufficient experience to understand - but you can’t fool combat veterans of the Vietnam war by hiding behind “Unit” losses - we’re used to those stories. I have my orders describing my combat awards Jack - to back up my DD-214. Where’s your’s? And Jack - don’t ever call me a liar.

Sincerely,

Don Bailey


25 posted on 08/20/2006 7:46:01 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: gate2wire

Never be afraid to criticize anyone in the public square, particularly if they are acting like fools and making outrageous claims that could hurt the effort and endanger lives. A healthy dose of skepticism is just that: healthy.

There are many stripes of "veterans" and a surprising number are wannabees, frauds and liars. OK Murtha, submit your Form 180!! I hear you had something like three versions on how you "earned" your medals.


26 posted on 08/20/2006 8:09:28 AM PDT by brushcop (Lt. Harris, SFC Salie, CPL Long, SPC Hornbeck, B-Co, 2/69 3ID We will remember you always.)
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who cares if he last first or last as long as he is voted out in November!!!!!....boy would that me me laugh!!!!!


27 posted on 08/20/2006 8:17:18 AM PDT by hnj_00
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To: jazusamo

I hope Murtha at least bought her dinner afterwards. :-)


28 posted on 08/20/2006 9:27:53 AM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

http://www.irey.com/



HELP

http://www.bootmurtha.com/


29 posted on 08/20/2006 10:20:57 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: stm
"I don't think there would have been an investigation if I hadn't said something. You have to make it public."

5-17-06: al-Murthawi accuses our Marines of "killing innocent civilians in cold blood."

____________________________________________________________________________

5-19-06 The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer aired:

BLITZER: He was responding in part to you, because you've suggested this week that there in effect was a massacre.

MURTHA: Well there was. There's no question about it. I know, in talking to a number of people, and the information,.....When this thing's all over, you're going to see exactly what I've said to be true.

BLITZER: The marines say they're still investigating. They don't know what happened yet. The pentagon says the same thing. How do you know what happened?

MURTHA: Wolf, you read the "Time" magazine articles. There are pictures, there are photos. You don't have to talk to the military about the proof.

_________________________________________________________________________________

Sunday, Mar. 19, 2006
By TIM MCGIRK / BAGHDAD
http://www.time.com/time/world/printout/0,8816,1174649,00.html

In January, after Time presented military officials in Baghdad with the Iraqis' accounts of the Marines' actions, the U.S. opened its own investigation, .....

The military announced last week that the matter has been handed over to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (ncis), which will conduct a criminal investigation

Because the incident is officially under investigation, members of the Marine unit that was in Haditha on Nov. 19 are not allowed to speak with reporters.


___________________________________________________________________________________

This cretin is a liar! There's no question about it. I know ..... I read it in the "Time" magazine articles.



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30 posted on 08/20/2006 10:26:23 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Just A Nobody
MURTHA: Wolf, you read the "Time" magazine articles. There are pictures, there are photos. You don't have to talk to the military about the proof.

Excellent post and excellent work Justa.

Murtha doesn't need proof, he only needs "Time" magazine to slander Marines that put their lives on the line to defend our freedoms and our judicial system which by the way is the finest in the world.

The slandering and his presumption of guilt of our Marines by the despicable Congressman Murtha is unforgivable.

31 posted on 08/20/2006 10:43:25 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Coop; musicman; kindred; Dane; johnny7; greasepaint; gate2wire; cf_river_rat; HarleyLady27; ...

Ping to post #30


32 posted on 08/20/2006 10:54:45 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Coop
Both accept paypal. Thank you so much for listening to us on that one Coop, it makes it much easier for me to donate.
33 posted on 08/20/2006 11:45:16 AM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Talking_Mouse

You're welcome, but I can't take credit for that. :-)


34 posted on 08/20/2006 11:46:20 AM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

More fiction disguised as "objective reporting?"

Typical in that if you oppose Murtha, you are attacking. If he opposes Bush, he is a concerned public citizen.

Nothing like the leftstream drive-by media trying to manipulate public opinion in the run-up to an election.


35 posted on 08/20/2006 12:04:23 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: DakotaRed

It's the only real advantage the Left has.


36 posted on 08/20/2006 12:09:15 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: saganite; Coop
Still acting like the 9 year old you are I see.

OK, saganite, it's time for you to come out of the basement. Explain to me this:

Who are you to attempt to insult Coop, who by the way is a Marine combat veteran of Desert Storm. Maybe you read about it.

Since we don't even know if you're a legal resident of our Free Republic, you being too lazy to put a flag up on your "about page", combat veterans like myself and my brother Coop will continue to laugh at you, even occasionally rhetorically have you shivering in fear.

Bring it on, whoever you are, whatever you are, from that dark hole you dwell in, where ever it is.

37 posted on 08/20/2006 2:04:13 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: smoothsailing

You're almost as ridiculous as coop.


38 posted on 08/20/2006 2:50:11 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Just A Nobody

Really? Murtha says his source for these slanderous comments against the military was a Time magazine article? That's just nuts.


39 posted on 08/20/2006 2:51:19 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: saganite; Coop
Weak. Try again.
40 posted on 08/20/2006 3:31:00 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: smoothsailing; saganite
Give it up, Smooth. Our little friend's hysteria is because s/he feels that I have not paid it proper respect by fully answering its questions on Irey vs. Murtha (questions EASILY answered by reading the very threads it whines on).

Especially questions on polls. :-)

41 posted on 08/20/2006 3:39:16 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

Hey coop, what are the latest polls on this race? Has Irey got a chance?


42 posted on 08/20/2006 3:41:11 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: saganite

Too lazy to use a search engine? How about finding out for yourself if you are so interested in polls on this issue. Unless you are just here to stir up stink, which I'm beginning to believe you are.

BTW, most FReepers are aware that the only poll that counts is the poll that's taken on election day.


43 posted on 08/20/2006 3:45:22 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by the American Democrat Party, aka alQaeda, Western Division.)
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To: Coop; saganite
I'll consider it, Coop. What I will not tolerate is a bottom dweller, and until saganite understands the concept of courage, I'll be an occasional tormenter. HA! :-)
44 posted on 08/20/2006 3:47:00 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: smoothsailing

Understood. :-)


45 posted on 08/20/2006 3:47:38 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: prairiebreeze

There aren't any polls on this race. Read coop's tagline.


46 posted on 08/20/2006 3:53:21 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: smoothsailing

Courage isn't even a valid concept on an online forum. Words are easy. You seem to be full of empty words.


47 posted on 08/20/2006 3:54:40 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: saganite; Coop
Your vapidity is increasingly redundant.

'Til next time, small saganite.

48 posted on 08/20/2006 4:04:02 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: saganite

So what is your point? You know there are no polls on this race and yet you hector Coop about it.


49 posted on 08/20/2006 5:58:43 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude

I asked coop some simple questions about the district and he took an asshole attitude. I don't mind harassing the jackass. In fact it's turned into sport.


50 posted on 08/20/2006 6:01:47 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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