Skip to comments.Germany in the Cross-hairs
Posted on 08/21/2006 6:30:52 AM PDT by Red6
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Till this day Islamic terrorists have not succeeded yet in striking in Germany. But mean the mess according to unanimous expert's opinion nothing. Above all not, because it already three attempts given hat:
In 2002 one wanted to commit an Abu Mussab al-Sarkawi attached terror cell posters against Jewish and putatively Jewish equipment in Berlin and in the Ruhr area.
In 2003 Tunisian Ihsan Garnaoui should have planned to explain a poster in the midst of a demonstration in Berlin.
In the end of 2004 lifted security services a group of Kurdish Iraqis become extinct, die to " Ansar of Al Islam " belonged and planned apparently to murder hobby room Iraqi interim premier Ijad Alawi at that time during a state visit in Berlin.
*But here is the Key argument of the article:
The war, hobby room bin Laden appealed, war the United states-controlled campaign against Afghanistan, after hobby room to terrorist attacks from the 11th September, 2001 been initiated to war. Differently than in the case of the invasion begun in 2003 in the hobby room war of Iraq the federal republic involved dies. Therefore, Germany and blow net are a citizen since that time already potential terror purposes.
In May, 2004 the document was delivered for the fact that still gilding also dies after the beginning of the Iraq war: the mitt in of the Saudi-Arabian capital Riad three terrorists shot hobby room Germans Hermann D. " the Mudschahidin in Riad have killed a western unbeliever
(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...
It is this 'perception' which is now pushed by the new anti-war anti-US German. Full of half truths this article also neglects major aspects. For example, it is simply not true that Muslim terror is a result of German participation in Afghanistan. Only those over looking head scarves, the Olympics in Munich, plane hijackings....... can come to such a limited and untrue conclusion. However, those reading "Der Spiegel" are not worried about reality, and they comprise the majority in German society.
One has to put this into the context of the new German society. Ultra liberal, hyper sensetive of German sovereinty, a flavor of anti-Americanism, and huge Muslim populations all add up.
One only needs to look at the article and its author: Yassin Musharbash (German born I do believe)
For more on this author one just needs to google: http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=Yassin+Musharbash+&btnG=Search
There one can see articles about how Israel is at fault for the war, Israel is violating human rights, the London attackers were amatures and no AQ members......
They're done- As I said before, the Germans are a dying society, people, economy, and political system. It is their own ideology that will lead to their demise.
But the German people will not die and a new society will be born from the ashes of the old one, IMHO. The Old Europe of the left is dying because it isn't vibrant and alive...it just doesn't work.
I don't think it will replaced with islam...at least without an earth shaking war to the death.
"Why are we attacking you? What will it take for us to stop?" There are several things you must do but "The first thing we are calling you to is to Islam"
They have been told by their God to kill everybody who stands in their way of converting the world to Islam. There is no negotiating with them since they are on a mission from their God. They cannot be bought off, they can only be killed or permanently imprisoned.
Mohamed did precisely the same thing. Islam did not become a major religion until Mohamed conquered (with extreme brutality) most of Pan-Arabia.
Islam is not so much a religion but a cult of tyranny and oppression.
Islam is spread through conquest, not conviction.
"They're done- As I said before, the Germans are a dying society, people, economy, and political system. It is their own ideology that will lead to their demise."
Are you talking about the Weimar republic?
Do not confuse the people with the leadership. The political and cultural elite in europe has been very good at shutting down any real debate. Things are not what they may seem.
Or this could be the perspective of one writer, and "a flavor of anti-Americanism" you propose is really "a flavor of xenophobia" - which anyone can point to on Free Republic.
For all we know, publication of this article could be offered as an example of how free speech does fine in Germany. It's no worse than the Slimes, or any other US media conglomerate, in my opinion.
Uh... seems an interesting topic; after all, we haven't heard much about terrorism inside Germany - either potential terrorism or actual. Possibly the machine translation might... um... be improved?
While that may be very true, it took the Soviets over 60 plus years to die. So, it could be a very long, painful, death. Years yet. If liberalism and socialism are dying, I sure am seeing a lot of it around. So, something or somebody is doing a fairly good job of keeping it alive and convincing others to adopt it, as stupid as they may be.
Yooo, Bin Laden is in the hobby room, go getim!!!
"I don't think it will replaced with islam...at least without an earth shaking war to the death."
Wishful thinking. islamists are irrationally motivated, and very dynamic. The left in Europe is like the left in America, complacent, indifferent, and self loathing. Throw into the mix that modern democratic style governments are ripe for being overrun from within and I would say islam can take over without firing a shot. That's not to say a shot won't be fired... the muslims will fire, and explode things simply to enhance the terror factor, and because they love death.
The bombs didn't explode.
but they gave us Marx
well, of course that is correct. further information can be found here:
I won't go into detail refuting all of your inaccuracies (for example with regard to the Autobahns, most of which are now in pristine condition due to the pre-world cup building frenzy), just one remark:
Your whole theory (well not so much a theory as a collection of ramblings, as a theory would require you to look at the whole picture) is based on one assumption: That there will be no war against Iran, that the Saudis will give up their terrorist ways, that we will all live happily ever after because there will be no disruptions in the world's oil supplies.
Because frankly: While the German economy can survive on $250 a barrel, the US will have huge problems and China with its horrendously inefficient production methods will probably have to go to war to secure their share of supplies.
That's not saying that Germany doesn't have a sh*tload of problems: Immigration, an aging society etc., these are all valid points. But as a whole your view on the situation is myopic at best. And you drastically overestimate the Islamic Republic of France. *LOL
If all of these things are true (I am not disputing that they are), then what will inevitably happen?
The answer is that there will be a mass exodus from Europe at some point in the future. Where will they then all go?
Many are so filled with anti-Americanism that they will probably not come here, so that narrows their options to only a couple of other countries where western civilization is predominant: Canada and Australia/New Zealand.
These people fleeing Europe will take their nasty ideas with them and they will impact the politics of whatever nation that they settle in. Now, New Zealand is already fairly anti-American and probably can't go much farther down that road, besides which most of the immigrants will not go there, so that leaves Canada and Australia.
While there are large numbers of anti-Americans already in Canada, large parts of the country-especially the west-are not yet completely afflicted by that malady. Large scale immigration from Europe will probably push Canada farther down that path.
Australia is perhaps the most pro-American nation on earth (with the possible exception of Israel), but it is very welcoming to immigrants. Large numbers of Europeans migrating there may gradually turn them away from us.
I suppose that the point I am trying to make is that the decline of Europe (which I think is real) will have consequences for us beyond Europe itself, it's extremely depressing to contemplate.
Sure Germany has it problems, but it isn't in any worse shape than other european nations. Those problems will in the end lead to political change. The left has been very good to use postwar guilt to promote socialist ideas all over europe. This will not last forever. Sure there will be bumpy days ahead, but germany nor europe isn't dead yet.
China and India has their own problems. Their export driven growth will not last forever, and a large diverse population may be more of a liability than an asset.
Even the US faces it's own problems ahead. If you cannot protect you own border, how can you exist as a country anymore.
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