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President Bush Files for Divorce with Catholic Base (Support of Plan B Drug)
Christian News Wire ^ | 8/21/2006 | n/a

Posted on 08/21/2006 11:21:14 AM PDT by Pyro7480

President Bush Files for Divorce with Catholic Base

Catholic Pro-Life Leader states: “President Bush’s implied support for the abortion-causing drug Plan B is completely inconsistent with his recent veto of the embryonic stem cell research funding bill”

FRONT ROYAL, Va., Aug. 21 /Christian Newswire/ -- The Rev. Thomas J. Euteneuer, president of Human Life International, issued the following response to President George W. Bush’s statements today regarding his support for Andrew von Eschenbach and his recent decision to seek over-the-counter (OTC) status for the abortifacient drug Plan B. When asked by reporter Bill Sammon about the situation, Bush stated: “I believe that Plan B ought to be -- ought to require a prescription for minors, is what I believe. And I support Andy's decision.”

“President Bush’s implied support for the abortion-causing drug Plan B is completely inconsistent with his recent veto of the embryonic stem cell research (ESCR) funding bill. What the president apparently fails to realize is that Plan B kills the same innocent unborn children that the ESCR process does.

“The president must demonstrate a consistent respect for the sanctity of all human life or he risks provoking a great divorce with the conservative Catholics that compromise a large part of his support base. Human beings in the embryonic stage of development deserve equal protection under the law and the president’s position falls far short of that mark.

“I reiterate my call for President Bush to withdraw his nomination of Andrew von Eschenbach for FDA commissioner and I implore him to rethink his own reckless approach to the powerful abortion-causing Plan B drug regimen.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; catholic; catholicvoter; contraception; dubya; embryo; embryonic; euteneuer; hli; morningafterpill; planb; presidentbush
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From Press Conference by the President

Q [by Washington Times reporter Bill Sammon]: Thank you very much. Mr. President, some pro-life groups are worried that your choice of FDA Commissioner will approve over the counter sales of Plan B, a pill that, they say, essentially can cause early-term abortions. Do you stand by this choice, and how do you feel about Plan B in general?

THE PRESIDENT: I believe that Plan B ought to be -- ought to require a prescription for minors, is what I believe. And I support Andy's decision.

E-mail or call the White House and tell them what you think about his statement earlier today.

Phone: 202-456-1111
E-mail: comments@whitehouse.gov

1 posted on 08/21/2006 11:21:18 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; ...

Catholic and pro-life ping!


2 posted on 08/21/2006 11:21:51 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Pyro7480

"implied support"



"Implied support" overrides express opposition?


3 posted on 08/21/2006 11:24:29 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Pyro7480

Well, there goes ANY chance of his being re-elected!!!


4 posted on 08/21/2006 11:24:51 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Brilliant

Where did President Bush express opposition to Plan B being over-the-counter for women over the age 18?


5 posted on 08/21/2006 11:25:46 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: DustyMoment

It hurts Republicans who have similar positions to him.


6 posted on 08/21/2006 11:26:09 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Pyro7480

Yeah, like Catholics have been really big Bush supporters anyway.


7 posted on 08/21/2006 11:26:13 AM PDT by paddles
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To: paddles
Yeah, like Catholics have been really big Bush supporters anyway.

And your source for this complaint is......

8 posted on 08/21/2006 11:28:00 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: paddles
Yeah, like Catholics have been really big Bush supporters anyway.

If you bothered to read the article, you'd find this line by Fr. Euteneuer. The president must demonstrate a consistent respect for the sanctity of all human life or he risks provoking a great divorce with the conservative Catholics that compromise a large part of his support base. Human beings in the embryonic stage of development deserve equal protection under the law and the president’s position falls far short of that mark.

10 posted on 08/21/2006 11:28:08 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Pyro7480

Missed that. Nuts.


11 posted on 08/21/2006 11:28:25 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: paddles

You are so right about this. I'm surprised my Catholic Church didn't have a vote for Kerry sign on the altar. I hate when people get side tracked about issues like this anyway. It is all about who Bush appoints to the bench. They are the ones making decisions that effect our lives. Carter's appointment of that awful judge that couldn't even write a well written decision puts all our lives in danger. People who won't vote for a Republican because of this decision or sit out and not vote will pay the price when a Hillary appointment makes a outrageous court decision.


12 posted on 08/21/2006 11:30:11 AM PDT by Merry
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To: Brilliant

Actions speak louder than words. The author here is caring more about what the president does - or doesn't do - than what he says.


13 posted on 08/21/2006 11:33:31 AM PDT by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: Pyro7480
Who ever thought Bush was a true "conservative"?

Look at his waffling on the issue of boarder security with Mexico. Look at his rubber stamp on pork belly projects and even the Katrina aftermath. He made massive compromises that out out of character for a true lean government conservative.

The irony with Bush is that he is hated among liberals world wide, but he is himself in reality no real hard line conservative. The man who is deemed as "unilateral" by Chirac/Schroeder and Co. in reality went to the UN for yet another resolution to meet the needs of a Coalition parter GB that requested this action. He didn't need it in the first place. Furthermore the motivation for the political initiative of an additional resolution was to meet multilateral political needs. Did Reagan ask for permission in Panama, Grenada, Libya or even the arming of Afghanis to fight the Soviets? No.

I think Bush is a good President in the bigger picture, but he is not at ALL the hard line conservative which the liberals make him out to be and I wish he were.
14 posted on 08/21/2006 11:33:57 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Pyro7480

someone read the dixie chix ask for divorce from country fans article.


15 posted on 08/21/2006 11:38:51 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Pyro7480
Personally I think people ought to use their limited time on earth convincing people not to have abortions, rather than wasting their energy trying to outlaw the procedure. Who cares if abortion is legal if nobody is doing it?

16 posted on 08/21/2006 11:39:41 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: Pyro7480

Plan B is an abortifacient in some cases and allowing it to be distributed by prescription is wrong.

This is the way politicians double talk.

Plan B is promoted as birth control and as one GOP politico who is now the county chairman here in York County, PA put it some years ago. "I'm against abortion but I'm for birth control."

Wrong move for President Bush. He said he supports the plan for women over 18 to be able to get it. Its a microabortion drug. Wrong move Bush, Period.


17 posted on 08/21/2006 11:41:10 AM PDT by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high...... I get high.....I get high.....McCain.")
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To: Irish Rose

Bush has had a lot of other actions that were pro-life. For example, appointing Alito and Roberts, pushing for a partial birth abortion ban, blocking fetal stem cell research, etc.

Why do those actions not count?


18 posted on 08/21/2006 11:41:37 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: ElkGroveDan

My source? Right down the street from you in Sacramento, Dan.


19 posted on 08/21/2006 1:14:53 PM PDT by paddles
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To: Merry

Spot on!


20 posted on 08/21/2006 1:15:49 PM PDT by paddles
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To: Pyro7480

I will withhold my thoughts for now....more info.


21 posted on 08/21/2006 1:18:31 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Pyro7480

Too many people want their religion running the government, that government then running the lives of Americans.


22 posted on 08/21/2006 1:31:40 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: paddles
My source? Right down the street from you in Sacramento, Dan

Well I have no idea what you mean by that. I was hoping you might quote some polling figures to support your argument.

The fact is that real Catholics who care about things like abortifacents are squarely in Bush's corner, but real Catholics are seldom polled. The ones who have parted ways with Bush are the liberal Catholics who go to Mass twice a year, or not at all.

23 posted on 08/21/2006 1:33:00 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: All

Don't think I quite understand this article. Are the writers expressing support for the Democrat position on this matter? If not, whose position is closer to theirs -- the President's or the Democrat's?


24 posted on 08/21/2006 1:33:59 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Pyro7480; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
Catholic Ping - Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


25 posted on 08/21/2006 1:44:08 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Red6

Nixon was the same way. He wasn't very conservative with the Wage & Price Controls, the Trip To China, and Vietnamization. But he was a staunch anti-communist and they hated his guts for that.


26 posted on 08/21/2006 1:45:49 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Peace In Our TimeŽ)
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To: Pyro7480
Just out of curiosity, why hasn't W been condemned for not coming out against the IUD and those forms of "the pill" that prevent the implantation of the fertilized egg. What is the difference between them and "Plan B"?
I am opposed to all of them myself but wonder why the protests are only against his treating this method of abortion like the others.
27 posted on 08/21/2006 1:54:20 PM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: Red6; Merry

I really don't agree with SINGLE ISSUE VOTERS on either side of this debate.


28 posted on 08/21/2006 1:54:56 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: mollynme

One is PRE-Conception and the other is POST-Conception???


29 posted on 08/21/2006 1:59:27 PM PDT by goodnesswins (I think the real problem is islamo-bombia! (Rummyfan))
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To: goodnesswins
Actually, no. Plan B will suppress ovulation, if it has not occurred, but will cause a miscarriage if a life has already been conceived. Which is exactly how the Pill and IUDs work as well. Usually they suppress ovulation, but they also will cause miscarriages.

This is why they are properly called abortaficiants.
30 posted on 08/21/2006 2:10:01 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: paddles; Merry

Also, for the first time since 1928, more Catholics voted Republicans than Democrats in the 2004 presidential election. When they did exit polling during that election, the biggest issue for voters were social issues. It was the "gay marriage" amendments during that election that passed overwhelmingly as well.


31 posted on 08/21/2006 2:10:59 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: goodnesswins
An IUD prevents the zygote from implanting -- this is post-conception. Most forms of the pill work by stopping ovulation (pre-conception) AND stopping a zygote from implanting (post-conception).
32 posted on 08/21/2006 2:16:12 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: goodnesswins

The IUD prevents the implantation of the fertilized ovum. That is post-conception. There are types of the BCP that do the same thing. My question is - why have they chosen this type of abortion to take a stand on and not the others?


33 posted on 08/21/2006 2:35:17 PM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: paddles; Merry
Yeah, like Catholics have been really big Bush supporters anyway.

Have you been hiding in a cave or do you just like spreading bigoted disinformation? Catholics voted 52-47 for Bush over Kerry and mass attending Catholics voted 56-43 against Kerry nationwide. If a majority of Ohio Catholic voters hadn't broke against the nominally Catholic candidate, John Kerry would have won the election.

34 posted on 08/21/2006 2:38:21 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: ElkGroveDan
Catholics who go to Mass twice a year

aka: The Creasters (Christmas and Easter)
35 posted on 08/21/2006 2:49:32 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Pyro7480

What a snappy little headline. Mark for later.


36 posted on 08/21/2006 2:51:31 PM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Pyro7480
President Bush Files for Divorce with Catholic Base

Not to worry, I'm sure we have grounds for an annulment. ;-D

37 posted on 08/21/2006 3:21:06 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Merry
Carter's appointment of that awful judge that couldn't even write a well written decision puts all our lives in danger

Which judge was that?

38 posted on 08/21/2006 4:12:49 PM PDT by el_chupacabra (They say it's always calmest before the storm. That's not true. It isn't calm. Stuff happens.)
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To: Pyro7480; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...

Don't forget his family and many of the blue bloods are big in Malthusian Population Control, his father wrote the Title X bill in 1969. Once many of the Catholic Mexicans come here and assimilate into our culture, they too, will be encouraged to "prevent" and "control" births. Do you really think that it's about picking crops and votes the republicans will never get?


39 posted on 08/21/2006 5:43:45 PM PDT by Coleus (God hates moderates, Revelation 3:15-16)
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To: Pyro7480

And is there a statistic that shows how many Catholic women use contraceptives against the teaching of the Church?

I would guess you all would just be amazed.


40 posted on 08/21/2006 5:51:18 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

It doesn't matter. Truth isn't determine by a majority vote. Your argument is the same as "everyone's jumping off the cliff, why don't we?"


41 posted on 08/21/2006 6:43:52 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Pyro7480

I don't believe in organized religion and this is why. The Bible doesn't say anything about birth control and is how most women see it regardless of where they worship.


42 posted on 08/21/2006 6:46:48 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

Well, thanks for being honest.


43 posted on 08/21/2006 6:59:40 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Pyro7480

What, no scripture to throw out?


44 posted on 08/21/2006 7:51:57 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

I don't support the position that the Scripture is the be all and end all of divine revelation. Besides, the teachings of the 12 Apostles who knew Christ and walked with Him clearly said that abortion is immoral.


45 posted on 08/21/2006 8:03:12 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: mockingbyrd; Coleus; Pyro7480; All

This keeps coming up. Hoever, the Plan B website has old information. Newer information that shows that it only works before ovulation was presented to the FDA during the hearings concerning making it over the counter.

Just look at the information from this natural planning information website:
http://www.woomb.org/bom/science/physiology.html
See Figure 1
In fact, we give progesterone to protect early pregnancies. In natural cycles, progesterone increases after ovulation.


46 posted on 08/21/2006 8:04:07 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: Pyro7480

"I don't support the position that the Scripture is the be all and end all of divine revelation."

Disagree with John Chapter One?

"Besides, the teachings of the 12 Apostles who knew Christ and walked with Him clearly said that abortion is immoral."

To abort a fetus which is viable is murder.

But the Plan B pill prevents fertilization.


47 posted on 08/21/2006 8:06:50 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: hocndoc; WilliamWallace1999

Pinging an OB-GYN to post #46.


48 posted on 08/21/2006 8:07:14 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Pyro7480

I have quite a bit of back-up information from the literature. FReepmail me with your email address if you want me to send it.


49 posted on 08/21/2006 8:12:24 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: marajade
But the Plan B pill prevents fertilization.

In addition, it also prevents implantation. Scripture is silent on the issue of when life begins, other than the fact that God formed us in our mother's womb, so in the absence of a clear answer, wouldn't it be better to be cautious?

Disagree with John Chapter One?

What exactly do you mean? John chapter one supports my position that Christianity is a religion of the Word Incarnate, not merely the written word. Also, the last verse of the last chapter of the same Gospel supports my position.

But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written (John 21: 25).

50 posted on 08/21/2006 8:13:38 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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