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They sought citizenship, got walking papers
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 8/21/06 | Jose Luis Jiménez

Posted on 08/21/2006 9:54:00 PM PDT by bkwells

They sought citizenship, got walking papers

Illegal immigrant couple sue consultant, and win

By Jose Luis Jiménez
STAFF WRITER

August 21, 2006

VISTA – Although they were in the country illegally for many years, a Mexican couple who had planted roots in El Cajon sought to become citizens nearly six years ago.


NELVIN C. CEPEDA / Union-Tribune
Elias Ventura wouldn't get the same pay in Mexico that he gets here installing tinting on car windows. In the United States since 1989, he considers himself part of the mainstream.

Elias and Martha Ventura's three children were born here. The couple pay taxes. He has a steady job, she frequently volunteers at their children's schools. They consider themselves part of the mainstream.

In December 2000, they met Enrique Escobar, a Los Angeles man who operated a business that advised immigrants on how to obtain legal status. At a meeting at a Fallbrook home, where dozens of others waited to meet Escobar, the consultant promised to put the couple on the path to citizenship, Elias Ventura said.

The result was the opposite. They now face deportation.

Unbeknown to them, their case was presented in March 2001 by attorneys hired by Escobar as a request for political asylum.

Is it a scam?

Tips on spotting potential fraudulent assistance on immigration issues:

No written contract specifying what work will be done, by when and by whom.

Claims of special relationships with immigration officials or of previous experience working within the immigration service.

Promises of citizenship or a work permit even though you were previously rejected.

Meetings at public places, such as a restaurant, or at a private residence, rather than in a professional office.

Non-lawyers who offer advice on the type of form to file or who present themselves as attorneys. Ask for proof of their profession by requesting an identification from the State Bar of California, which regulates lawyers. Their authenticity can be checked at the state bar's Web site: www.calsb.org.

If you believe you were defrauded, call the District Attorney's Office at (619) 531-4070. If you are a Mexican citizen, you also can contact the Mexican consulate at (619) 231-8414.

An immigration judge rejected the petition in October 2004. The Venturas were given 60 days to leave the country. While the decision is being appealed, they are allowed to remain here.

Instead of staying in the shadows, the couple sued Escobar in Vista Superior Court for fraud, and last month won a $415,000 judgment.

The verdict came from a predominantly white jury in an area of the county that elected Brian Bilbray to Congress on a platform of cracking down on illegal immigration. The Venturas see the judgment as proof that everyone is equal under the law in this country.

Escobar “did something wrong to us, so we are going to defend ourselves,” said Ventura, 40, in an interview. “Afterward, some of the jurors told us that they hope the verdict will help in the immigration case.”

The Venturas said they also had filed a complaint with the District Attorney's Office. An office spokeswoman declined to say this month whether the case was being investigated.

Escobar's attorney, Timothy Noon of San Diego, maintains that his client did nothing wrong. But Noon is negotiating with the Venturas' attorney, Barbara Strickland, in an effort to reduce the judgment in return for Escobar's dropping his right to an appeal.

“Mr. Escobar provided nonlegal services to the Venturas in connection with their immigration matter,” said Noon, whose client testified during the two-week trial. “The evidence presented at trial was insufficient to support that charge of fraud.”

Asylum is one of several scams in which immigrants are promised citizenship for a price but instead run afoul of immigration law, said Jorge Vargas, a law professor at the University of San Diego.

“It's very tough right now to get a green card,” Vargas said. “The foreigner doesn't know anything. He just sees a green card.”

The verdict is bittersweet because if the Venturas are deported – and they have a 95 percent chance of being sent back, their attorney said – they worry about their children, ages 12, 10 and 7.

Even though they expect eventually to get a sizable judgment, the Venturas say they still would face challenges in Mexico. Elias Ventura wouldn't get the same pay he gets here installing window tinting on cars, he says. Their families in Mexico City and Sinaloa are barely able to support themselves and probably would ask them for help. Mexico is a foreign country to their children, who have never been there. Their uncertain future has led to many sleepless nights and strained the marriage – the result, they say, of trying to do the right thing.

Escobar “destroyed our lives,” said Elias Ventura, sitting in the living room of the converted condominium he purchased with the help of documentation the consultant obtained for him.

“I'm going to lose everything I've worked so hard for in this country,” he said. “My children are going to lose their future here. They don't know Mexico.”

Strickland, the Venturas' attorney, said Escobar's methods were common in fraud perpetrated against immigrants.

The Fallbrook home was used by Escobar as a satellite office, with the owners keeping an appointment calendar for him, according to trial testimony.

The Venturas trusted Escobar because they filled out official government documents and quickly received a temporary green card, which is standard in a political asylum application.

But the Venturas were not politically or religiously persecuted in Mexico, Strickland said, and they do not fear being killed if they return, which are the main grounds for granting asylum.

The immigration lawyer is appealing on the grounds that deporting the Venturas would cause a severe hardship to their young American children.

Strickland admits it's a long shot – only 4,000 such appeals are granted annually across the country – but it is the only chance the Venturas have.

When the couple first met with Escobar in 2000 to legalize their status, there was a good chance they would have been granted work permits, Strickland said.

The law then allowed employers to solicit green cards for employees in jobs for which there were not enough Americans to do the work, Strickland said. Congress has since changed the law.

“People who are undocumented are not without rights,” Strickland said. “Make sure you are dealing with an attorney.”

Elias Ventura said he sneaked into the United States in 1989 by running through the hills to the east of the San Ysidro border crossing. Martha Ventura entered the country several years later on a student visa that since has expired, she said.

They married in 1995. They have remained law-abiding and said they have tried to give something back to the country that has given them so much. The Venturas just want an opportunity to become permanent residents, they say, and continue working toward the American dream.

“I felt like I had a chain around my neck, holding me back,” said Elias Ventura, explaining what inspired him to seek citizenship. “We are just looking for a better life, a better future.”


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
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In the United States since 1989, he considers himself part of the mainstream.

And here lies the bulk of the problem with illegal aliens. They all think that since they have been in this country for several years, that it's now OK for them to stay here and never mind the fact that they BROKE THE LAW when they entered the U.S. ILLEGALLY.

1 posted on 08/21/2006 9:54:03 PM PDT by bkwells
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To: HiJinx; gubamyster

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2 posted on 08/21/2006 9:54:32 PM PDT by bkwells (Liberals=Hypocrites)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

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3 posted on 08/21/2006 9:56:37 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: bkwells
With idiots like that on a jury (bleeding hearts) there's no hope of any real immigration enforcement.
4 posted on 08/21/2006 9:59:09 PM PDT by vox humana
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To: bkwells
If he had stolen your car in 1989 and had it still this day would it legally be his? No...nor should it be.

Send them back their own country.

5 posted on 08/21/2006 10:03:18 PM PDT by South40 (It's Not Like They Didn't Warn Us!)
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To: bkwells
They have remained law-abiding....

They never were law abiding.

Buh Bye!
6 posted on 08/21/2006 10:04:09 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: bkwells
...that it's now OK for them to stay here and never mind the fact that they BROKE THE LAW when they entered the U.S. ILLEGALLY.

Not to mention all the other laws that were broken:
"Elias Ventura, sitting in the living room of the converted condominium he purchased with the help of documentation the consultant obtained for him."
Could this "documentation" be illegally forge documents to fake citizenship? How did he pay taxes, as he claims, without a Social Security number, unless it was fraudulently obtained? One lie (felony) leads to another in this case.

7 posted on 08/21/2006 10:09:33 PM PDT by fwdude (LEFT LANE ENDS . . . MERGE RIGHT)
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To: South40

If I read this right, they are now nearly a half million dollars richer, from the judgement they won. Surely that should help give them a start in their own country. I have no tears for these people.


8 posted on 08/21/2006 10:09:34 PM PDT by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment Rights--buy another gun today!)
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To: basil

Well other than losing a hard working family that wanted to do the right thing and be legal.


9 posted on 08/21/2006 10:14:08 PM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: basil
"Surely that should help give them a start in their own country. I have no tears for these people."

Invested wisely, half a million should return the equivalent of an upper-middle class wage in Mexico without ever touching the principle.
10 posted on 08/21/2006 10:16:40 PM PDT by ndt
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To: basil
Nor do I.

The author, Jose Jimenez, in an obvious sign of empathy, said they pay taxes. Yeah, right.

Firstly, I doubt his window tinting job pays enough to put them above poverty level so they pay ZERO income taxes. Moreover, they're probably like 99.9% of all ILLEGALS and have cost this state more through medical costs and other benefits. Who paid for the birth of their 3 children? Who pays for their schooling? Who pays for their free lunches?

This is one of the most biased stories I've seen the UT run and beleive me, that's saying a lot.

11 posted on 08/21/2006 10:17:47 PM PDT by South40 (It's Not Like They Didn't Warn Us!)
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To: South40

BUMP that! This soppy story is one huge agenda.


12 posted on 08/21/2006 10:21:29 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- "if" only 10% are radical, that's 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: bkwells
Excellent job transferring the HTML.

"Now comes the time where we dance..."


"While my limited monkey plays a very small violin."

13 posted on 08/21/2006 10:26:45 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: fwdude

Maybe this is the guy who used my husband's ss#. Actually it was like 4 different illegals using his ss#. I can't remember who informed us.....the IRS or SS.


14 posted on 08/21/2006 11:55:18 PM PDT by Not just another dumb blonde
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To: bkwells; gubamyster; B4Ranch

<< never mind the fact that they BROKE THE LAW when they entered the U.S. ILLEGALLY. >>

And that was 'only' a 'misdemeanor.'

Descending from those criminal beginnings, every subsequent action to STAY in the United States involves the willing commission of a FELONY.

Let us not kid ourselves this Teddy 'The Swimmer' Kennedy-initiated criminal alien invasion, hostile colonization and (effective) takeover of the United States of America by whatever other name is anything other than what it is.

A Criminal Alien Invasion, us not kid ourselves this criminal alien invasion, hostile colonization and (effective) takeover.


15 posted on 08/22/2006 12:29:46 AM PDT by Brian Allen ("Moral issues are always terribly complex, for someone without principles." - G K Chesterton)
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To: Hong Kong Expat; basil

<< Well other than "losing" a "hard working family" that wanted to do the right thing and be legal. >>

Try that assinine "defense" in the crown of the execrable Maggie "Hong-Kong" Thatcher's achievements: handed-into-medieval-slavery, Once-FRee-British Hong Kong; why don't you?


16 posted on 08/22/2006 12:40:38 AM PDT by Brian Allen ("Moral issues are always terribly complex, for someone without principles." - G K Chesterton)
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To: Hong Kong Expat
Well other than losing a hard working family that wanted to do the right thing and be legal.

The right thing to do would be to get in line.
17 posted on 08/22/2006 12:50:18 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Brian Allen

What?

We've got a bunch of lazy-a$$ motherf*ckers who think the world owes them a life. And we have a guy who risks his life going across the boarder, gets a job, gets married, has three kids, and makes enough to buy a house and we ship them back over the border. Somebody gives them the opportunity to make them legal and they take it. What's not to respect about them.

You know, I bet you are jealous. They've done more than you and they started out with less.

American Workers are fat, lazy and stupid that's the real reason jobs are going to Asia. Now we can either get hard workers to live in this country or we can shift those jobs to China.

Guess what the Commies want you to do.


18 posted on 08/22/2006 1:16:11 AM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: Hong Kong Expat

The Chinese are going to take over the aftermarket windowtinting of cars?


19 posted on 08/22/2006 2:04:53 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

You better believe it.

Now the owner has to find somebody else, spend money to train that person, hope this guy isn't a flake. This is going to result in a higher cost for the consumer.

Our Immigration policy is nothing more than Affirmative Action.


20 posted on 08/22/2006 2:23:27 AM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: Hong Kong Expat

On the other thread, you argue that large families lead to low achievement. That if, one wishes one's children (or child, apparently) to be members of some future educated elite, one must limit oneself to one or at most two children.

And here you are, on this thread, arguing in favor of the idea allowing illegals to stay, in order to avoid a higher cost for the consumer.

Presumably, that consumer would be a member of your envisioned elite.

A hypereducated elite class of mandarins that doesn't even reproduce itself at the replacement rate presiding over a teeming mass of peasants sounds like something that has been tried before.


21 posted on 08/22/2006 2:37:37 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Hong Kong Expat

<< .... American Workers are fat, lazy and stupid .... >>

Pathologically projecting again, I see.

By any objective measure American workers are the most innovative, creative, inventive, productive and industrious on Earth and I am proud to number myself among them. And in just the past three years, as if to both prove it and to rub their point in, the "lazy-a$$ motherf*ckers" have increased the American economy by the TOTAL amount of the much-vaunted (and self "reported") "china" economy.

Further, a multi-talented, multi-lingual legal-immigrant (IE: hyphenated) American, (An AMERICAN-American, that is) who has lived almost his entire adult life in every corner of the Earth, I'll set my beginnings, IQ, talents, accomplishments, languages, experiences and resumé alongside that of any man on this planet -- and often have -- with Absolutely no fear of ever feeling that I am in the presence of a superior being! And never have been so judged.

And, talking about commies and what they want: -- in Honkers, who's your boss and/or your client? Peking's predatory pack of self-annointed, self-appointed and self-perpetuating, lying, looting, thieving, mass-murdering, warlord-wannabe gangster bastards that so grandiosely calls itself "china," that's who!

Heirs -- talking about 'commies and what they want' -- to the world's most prolific-ever mass murderer AND most prolific-ever child-rapist, the 1930s Nippon-nourisher himself, Mister Conquering and Colonizing "communist," himself, old 'Chiao Chee Bie' Mao.


22 posted on 08/22/2006 3:37:44 AM PDT by Brian Allen ("Moral issues are always terribly complex, for someone without principles." - G K Chesterton)
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To: bkwells
And they get REWARDED by our legal system lottery for it. If you're an illegal, you've never had it so good in America.

( No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

23 posted on 08/22/2006 3:39:47 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Brian Allen
apparently you aren't familiar with the Obesity stats.
Nor familiar of the test scores.
And the increase in American Productivity is due in no small part to these hard working illegal aliens that we want to kick out.
24 posted on 08/22/2006 3:41:04 AM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

<< A hypereducated elite class of mandarins that doesn't even reproduce itself at the replacement rate presiding over a teeming mass of peasants sounds like something that has been tried before. >>

And (in addition to the more obvious India and "china") is being tried again right now in what is for the moment still called "Europe" -- although that is soon to change.

To Eurabia.


25 posted on 08/22/2006 3:46:49 AM PDT by Brian Allen ("Moral issues are always terribly complex, for someone without principles." - G K Chesterton)
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To: Hong Kong Expat

<< Nor familiar of (sic) the test scores. >>

In which American children are head and shoulders above the world at the fourth grade level and in which the same children score ever lower as -- also held up by the hordes of ignorant bastard offspring of millions of thurd-world criminal-alien invaders -- they "progress" through the grades.

An extraordinarily-clearer reflection upon the "teaching" establishment and, talking of communists and what they want -- upon the mobbed-up-unionized DNC-activist gangster/looters that control America's schools -- than upon America's children.


26 posted on 08/22/2006 3:57:20 AM PDT by Brian Allen ("Moral issues are always terribly complex, for someone without principles." - G K Chesterton)
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To: Brian Allen
Judging by his responses on this and another thread it would seem that our esteemed expatriate envisions exactly that as the wave of the future.

He, I presume, intends that his child (I don't think more then one designer baby is in fashion with the aristocracy these days) shall be a member of that elite.

Something about that point of view reminds me of a story in the NYT awhile back. Apparently, it is quite the rage with the trendy upper westside set to take one's precious only child to China, when they are two or three years old, in order to give them a head start learning...I think it was Cantonese. I might have my Chinese dialects transposed. Who can say?
27 posted on 08/22/2006 3:57:25 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: South40

I agree completely. I have no sympathy for them or their children. When you start equivocating about families and their "happened to be born in America from illegal parents" you dilute the intent of the immigration laws. They have likely never come close to the public expenses they've incurred since they've been here.


28 posted on 08/22/2006 4:02:22 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Hong Kong Expat
Well, I hate to do it, but,



Thank you for playing. Again.

P.S. You may want to consider taking your open-borders, internationist elitist claptrap somewhere you can sell it.
29 posted on 08/22/2006 4:05:02 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Cantonese is the dialect of Hong Kong and Guangzhou Province, in which is produced much of the 40% of "china's" wildly exaggerated GDP that derives from counterfeiting, intellectual-property theft and other gangsterism.

The self-annointed, self-appointed and self-perpetuating ruling "elite" (Hate to use that term to describe the lying, looting, thieving, mass-murdering manifestation of warlord-wannabe evil that actually runs what it calls "china" -- 2.5 million square miles of which, of 3.7 million total, is the brutally invaded, conquered and colonized property of others) itself pretends to "mandarin" status and thus uses the Mandarin Language.

"Hokkien" the dialect of Fujian Province and of the FRee Republic of Taiwan (ROC) is by far my preferred Chinese Dialect.


30 posted on 08/22/2006 4:11:35 AM PDT by Brian Allen ("Moral issues are always terribly complex, for someone without principles." - G K Chesterton)
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To: Brian Allen

Well then, I imagine that Cantonese would be the upper westsider's language of choice for their dear little one.


31 posted on 08/22/2006 4:13:25 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: goldstategop

<< ( No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!) >>

From your lips straight to G-d's Ear!

Bring back Bibi!!


32 posted on 08/22/2006 4:15:55 AM PDT by Brian Allen ("Moral issues are always terribly complex, for someone without principles." - G K Chesterton)
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To: caroline112

Who's your daddy?


33 posted on 08/22/2006 4:21:11 AM PDT by houeto (Isn't 1400 years of the same shi'ite enough?)
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To: bkwells
Escobar “did something wrong to us, so we are going to defend ourselves,” said Ventura.

The law is a two edged sword, Ventura.

You did something wrong coming here and now it's time for you to pay the piper. In your case, you can now afford to live like an American in your native home, or you can spend it all with lawyers in an attempt to continue to circumvent the law which you were more than willing to use against another when it suited your purposes.

34 posted on 08/22/2006 5:15:33 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Hong Kong Expat

What part of "Illegal" immigrant do you not understand, pat?


35 posted on 08/22/2006 5:21:09 AM PDT by Toby06 (True conservatives vote based on their values, not for parties.)
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To: Hong Kong Expat

The business owner should go to jail for hiring illegal aliens.

Affirmative Action is only a program for advertising jobs in non-mainstream newspapers, btw.


36 posted on 08/22/2006 5:26:59 AM PDT by Toby06 (True conservatives vote based on their values, not for parties.)
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To: Hong Kong Expat
"apparently you aren't familiar with the Obesity stats."

LOL...don't make me say it.

sw

37 posted on 08/22/2006 5:27:47 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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