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Michael Moore Documentary Rattles Health-Care Giants
Advertising Age ^ | 8/21/06 | Rich Thomaselli

Posted on 08/22/2006 7:38:30 AM PDT by Huntress

NEW YORK (AdAge.com) -- The health-care industry is worried sick over "Sicko."

Few details have emerged about the 2007 documentary from Michael Moore, the filmmaker who ripped apart Detroit automakers with "Roger and Me" and now has his sights set on the $1.5 trillion pharmaceutical and health-care industry. But it's still enough to mobilize health-care trade groups who are trying to discredit the film.

No balance from Moore "A review of America's health-care system should be balanced, thoughtful and well-researched to pin down what works and what needs to be improved," said Ken Johnson, senior VP for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America. "You won't get that from Michael Moore."

Added a spokesman for one of the top 10 pharma companies: "We expect it will be one-sided and biased, just like his other documentaries."

Several other pharmaceutical makers did not return calls for comment. But Pfizer, AstraZeneca and GlaxoSmithKline all advised their employees last year not to speak to Mr. Moore when he began his research for "Sicko." It is not known whether any HMOs or drug companies will appear in the film.

"We were approached, but declined," said a spokeswoman for a second top-10 drugmaker. "Frankly, as much as we felt like we wanted to get our message across, in the end we didn't want to subject ourselves to the editing process."

Academy Award winner Mr. Moore, the Academy Award-winning director of "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fahrenheit 9/11" -- the latter the biggest-grossing documentary in movie history -- recently told Variety that the drug companies have been on to him for some time.

"They're so hip [to me] that whenever we have a family" with a health-care nightmare "they get free health care," Mr. Moore said during panel discussions last month at his second annual Traverse City Film Festival in Michigan. "There has been a 100% success rate of the people we're filming of getting whatever they need from the HMOs, pharmaceutical companies, whatever."

On his website, Mr. Moore offered a snapshot of what the documentary entails. "Back in February, I asked if people would send me letters describing their experiences with our health-care system, and I received over 19,000 of them," he wrote. "To read about the misery people are put through on a daily basis by our profit-based system was both moving and revolting. We've spent the better part of this year shooting our next movie, 'Sicko.' As we've done with our other films, we don't discuss them while we are making them. If people ask, we tell them 'Sicko' is a comedy about 45 million people with no health care in the richest country on Earth."

Film in flux Mr. Moore didn't return calls for comment. But on his site he said that, like his other films, what he starts with is not necessarily what he ends with.

"That, I can say with certainty, is happening now as we shoot 'Sicko,'" he wrote. "I don't think the country needs a movie that tells you that HMOs and the pharmaceutical companies suck. Everybody knows that. I'd like to show you some things you don't know. So stay tuned for where this movie has led me. I think you might enjoy it."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crockumentary; documentary; michaelmoore; moore; propaganda; propoganda; sicko; wideload
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I'm sure Moore's new documentary propaganda film will include a segment on the wonders of Cuba's free medical care.
1 posted on 08/22/2006 7:38:31 AM PDT by Huntress
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To: Huntress

How fat is michael moore now?? He needs to worry about his own health care.


2 posted on 08/22/2006 7:41:09 AM PDT by Perdogg (Democrats = terrorists)
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To: Huntress
So stay tuned for where this movie has led me.

Duncan Donut shops in each of the fifty states? I can't wait.
3 posted on 08/22/2006 7:41:51 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Huntress
"They're so hip [to me] that whenever we have a family" with a health-care nightmare "they get free health care," Mr. Moore said during panel discussions last month at his second annual Traverse City Film Festival in Michigan. "There has been a 100% success rate of the people we're filming of getting whatever they need from the HMOs, pharmaceutical companies, whatever."

Taking a page from the Jesse Jackson 'shakedown' playbook.

4 posted on 08/22/2006 7:41:59 AM PDT by sportutegrl (A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

oops, that's Dunkin.


5 posted on 08/22/2006 7:42:14 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Huntress

Gosh, Michael Moore writes so well, doesn't he?

He eats well, too, apparently.

Hide the donuts!!! Here comes Michael Moore!!!


6 posted on 08/22/2006 7:42:14 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Perdogg

I don't care about his health care. I just want him to shut up.


7 posted on 08/22/2006 7:42:26 AM PDT by Huntress (Possession really is nine tenths of the law.)
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To: Huntress
Since the release of this film is set to coincide with the runup to the 08 presidential election and will undoubtedly mirror one of the political parties planks, the total cost of the film should be considered an in kind contribution to that party and be subject to campaign finance laws.
8 posted on 08/22/2006 7:44:44 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Helen Thomas on anticipating and handling a crisis: "I'll live under that bridge when I get to it.")
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To: Huntress

Sure fire nominee at the 2008 Academy Awards for "Best Documentary."

Once he wins, he can give a heartfelt speech for the 2008 liberal candidate of his choice.


9 posted on 08/22/2006 7:45:37 AM PDT by GianniV
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To: Huntress
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10 posted on 08/22/2006 7:46:12 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: Huntress
To read about the misery people are put through on a daily basis by our profit-based system was both moving and revolting.

In Moore's mind the only legitimate profit-based system is his film-making. He's a habitual liar and a disgusting hypocrite.

11 posted on 08/22/2006 7:46:32 AM PDT by Mase
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To: Perdogg
LoL! I was thinking the same thing. Lets hope Moore has his heart attack while he's stuffing his fat face in some 3rd world communist Paradise.
12 posted on 08/22/2006 7:46:46 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Perdogg

Health care is having to purchase super-size equipment now for the patients the size of Michael Moore.


13 posted on 08/22/2006 7:47:10 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

I hope he has one of those upcoming candidates in his film.

It will have to be pulled 60 days before the primary according to McCain/Feingold.

Wouldn't that just tick him off!

Probably eat himself into a coma!


LOL!


14 posted on 08/22/2006 7:47:47 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Huntress
I don't care about his health care. I just want him to shut up.

Nah, the more he talks (and makes movies) the more he discredits the issues he goes after. After F 9/11 people are well aware that he has no credibility. He is just preaching to his choir. These people have no political clout and will just keep forking over cash to buy Moore's considerable meals. We shall see if he's invited to the Dem convention in 2008. We can only hope the Dems shame themselves once again.

15 posted on 08/22/2006 7:47:57 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Huntress

Regardless of it being Moore, does any one else here think there might be a problem with healthcare costs? If so, what are some answers?


16 posted on 08/22/2006 7:48:02 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Since Michael Moore is so concerned about our evil "profit-based system" I'm sure that he's going to donate all profits from this movie in an effort to help correct the problem. </sarcasm


17 posted on 08/22/2006 7:48:36 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman (The Pixies wish they were Dinosaur Jr.)
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To: Huntress
Maybe Lumpy Riefenstahl will pimp for Castro's solution to the AIDS crisis. Concentration camps.

Fat Mike is a miserable failure.

18 posted on 08/22/2006 7:48:45 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: dragonblustar
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19 posted on 08/22/2006 7:48:46 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: Huntress

Another RAT agenda film by the sniveling liberal crowd.


20 posted on 08/22/2006 7:49:23 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: Huntress

19,000 discontented health care patients out of how many millions per day getting treatment and care?


21 posted on 08/22/2006 7:49:53 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: Huntress

Unfortunately our health system can stand some tweaking. There are too many working folks that can't afford good health care.


22 posted on 08/22/2006 7:49:56 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Black, Proud, Conservative!)
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To: Huntress
Fifty cents says that he'll use this "documentary" for some kind of stock manipulation scheme involving stocks he already owns or stocks that he might buy somewhere down the road.

Don't put it past him,boys and girls because he's one of the greediest "progressives" you'll ever run across.

Except for the Kerrys,of course.

23 posted on 08/22/2006 7:50:23 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: Huntress; All
Number #1 Health Issue in America: Obesity, leading to heart attacks! Oink, oink...


24 posted on 08/22/2006 7:50:24 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Huntress

I wish these idiots would stop using the term "documentary" to describe Disgusting Fatbody's celluloid excrement. Since when are forced confrontations, made-up "facts" and removal of context considered "documentary"?

The health care industry would do best to just ignore this slob until he has his first heart attack.

Then, maybe, ignore him some more.


25 posted on 08/22/2006 7:50:54 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Nathan Zachary

Now now, we don't talk like that over here, leave the wishes of dying to the dummies.


26 posted on 08/22/2006 7:51:21 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: Huntress

Exactly. It's propaganda, plain and simple. Someone please define "documentary."


27 posted on 08/22/2006 7:51:29 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Pray hard and do the math.)
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To: Huntress

I'm waiting for Hillary Clinton to review this movie. She's the smartest woman in America and as unelected (unconstitutional) co-president (or co-dictator) she tried to take over the health care industry.

AND she had pharmacutical companies in her investment porfolio (and we all know how she was able to turn a $1,000 investment into $100,000).

If anyone should know about the health care industry in America, it is Queen Hill.

< /BARF & SARCASM >


28 posted on 08/22/2006 7:51:29 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: 3catsanadog

Liberals always say 45 million don't have healthcare. Now of that 45 million, i'm sure a lot are bumming free health care off emergency rooms/etc. or opting not to have it.

Even so that leaves 255 million who have healthcare. So 85% of this country is covered, and 15% isn't. Nobody EVER mentions that. So what do we do, completely screw it over for the other 85% for that 15%? I think not.


29 posted on 08/22/2006 7:53:03 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: Huntress

Is he going to mention that the "Health Care President" did NOTHING for 8 years except to allow the HMO Beasts to rise up!


30 posted on 08/22/2006 7:53:16 AM PDT by avacado
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To: SJSAMPLE

The mass media would be best advised to label this crud as propaganda first and only. It would be like hyping some new video from the KKK as a documentary.

Gives it far more credibility that it is owed.


31 posted on 08/22/2006 7:53:28 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Huntress
"... we tell them 'Sicko' is a comedy about 45 million people with no health care"

No health insurance is not no health care.

If some healthy, single 28-year-old chooses not to pay $400/month for health insurance, that's his choice.

32 posted on 08/22/2006 7:53:59 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Huntress

I like the little bee Nasonex uses. I dream about him when I sleep with the help of my Ambien cr. If it wasn't for my Requip I doubt I would ever stop moving my legs long enough to sleep. I find that using a Segway I can stop my legs from moving entirely. This post has made me nauseous. Where is my 15 day free trial of Nexium?


33 posted on 08/22/2006 7:54:15 AM PDT by kinghorse (I calls them like I sees them)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

The more people get "free" health care, like moore himself brags about, the more we have to pay to cover those costs. Nothing is "free".
All these illegal immigrants piling into ER's are what's driving up your premiums, along with the lawyers chasing ambulances. When the cost of delivery goes up, so does the cost of the insurance premium which ultimately is what pays for the health care you need.


34 posted on 08/22/2006 7:54:46 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
Regardless of it being Moore, does any one else here think there might be a problem with healthcare costs? If so, what are some answers?

As one who worked in health care for 20+ years (at a world famous hospital),I have a couple.

1)Lawyers

2)Patients who demand to see a neurosurgeon every time they're hit on the head with a wiffle ball.

3)The fact that average 15 year old (and the average 50 year old) is at least 30 pounds overweight.

35 posted on 08/22/2006 7:54:58 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: sportutegrl
"There has been a 100% success rate of the people we're filming of getting whatever they need from the HMOs, pharmaceutical companies, whatever."

The same can be said of many news program "action teams" when there is a dispute, whether it is over misplaced drycleaning, a pothole that isn't getting fixed, a bad haircut, or someone needing reconstructive cosmetic surgery.

36 posted on 08/22/2006 7:55:32 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: avacado

Actually Hillary's bleatings put the insurance companies on the defensive for a couple of years. Before she was shot down, rates were mysteriously going down for a couple of years. I remember well because I do our renewals.


37 posted on 08/22/2006 7:55:38 AM PDT by kinghorse (I calls them like I sees them)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
Regardless of it being Moore, does any one else here think there might be a problem with healthcare costs? If so, what are some answers?

The problem with the cost of health care is that it seems "free" to its primary consumers. The solution is to make the consumers have to actually pay for it again.
38 posted on 08/22/2006 7:56:21 AM PDT by Thrusher ("...there is no peace without victory.")
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To: kinghorse
I like the little bee Nasonex uses. I dream about him when I sleep with the help of my Ambien cr

Most of my dreams are about Digger,the dematphyte...you know,a nail infection.It's no use for me to take my Cialis because my wife says that with my flaky,discolored nails,it's *never* the right time for her.

39 posted on 08/22/2006 7:58:08 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: brwnsuga
There are too many working folks that can't afford good health care.

Screw 'em. They should have planned better.

40 posted on 08/22/2006 7:58:17 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: robertpaulsen

If that same 28 year old chooses to pay $50/month for cable/satellite, $35/month for cellphone, $40/month for DSL, $25/month for digital radio, $20/month for Netflix, cigarettes, etc. etc. it could also be called a matter of budgeting for priorities.


41 posted on 08/22/2006 7:58:17 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: SDGOP
"Now now, we don't talk like that over here, leave the wishes of dying to the dummies."

Who said anything about dying? Permanent paralysis would be nice. Then put a box of donuts in his line of vision.

42 posted on 08/22/2006 7:58:52 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Huntress

aAAAAAAAAAAAAAAghhh!!!! Healthcare is a BUSINESS... not a divine right for free care for everyone. It is for profit and should be competitive. We pay for every other service in our lives, why not healthcare? And I am sssssssssoooo sure that Moore is going to donate all the money he makes on this film to free clinics everywhere. not. How come its okay for him to make a decent living but health care providers are not? Okay, rant off...


43 posted on 08/22/2006 7:59:56 AM PDT by Cate
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To: Huntress

Or perhaps he should visit Canada and do a segment on their stellar national health care system, so backlogged that Canadians have to come to the U.S. for surgery.


44 posted on 08/22/2006 8:00:03 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats, Euroweenies, and the MSM--the Axis of Appeasement)
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To: Gay State Conservative

That ad is sick. I have a phobia of Digger.


45 posted on 08/22/2006 8:00:41 AM PDT by kinghorse (I calls them like I sees them)
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To: Huntress; Timesink; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; ...
Media Schadenfreude and Media Shenanigans PING

"We were approached, but declined," said a spokeswoman for a second top-10 drugmaker. "Frankly, as much as we felt like we wanted to get our message across, in the end we didn't want to subject ourselves to the editing process."

Nick Berg was interviewed for Fahrenheit 9/11 but his subsequent decapitation (less than a month after Michael Moore threw his support to the insurgency and denied there was terrorism) would have served as an ironic reminder of just how wrong Michael Moore is.

There is nothing to be gained in granting Micheal Moore access. You can expect to be taken out of context and solely used to advance his agenda.

46 posted on 08/22/2006 8:01:00 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Wolfie

Screw 'em. They should have planned better

out of the abundance of the heart, so the mouth speaks


47 posted on 08/22/2006 8:01:58 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Black, Proud, Conservative!)
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To: Perdogg
How fat is michael moore now?? He needs to worry about his own health care.

Hmmmm... That conjures up some vindictive thoughts that I need to get outta my head! /big, big smile

48 posted on 08/22/2006 8:02:34 AM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are intimate bedfellows)
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To: Huntress

He says PROFIT BASED like it's a bad thing.if what he does is so IMPORTANT, why should he profit from it? Unfortunately, there are young people today who believe that healthcare is a right. Go over to IMDB and read the comments about this POS. When I asked one college student who was whining about having no healthcare to tell me where in the Constitution is his right to healthcare, he responded, "PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS" How can you argue with morons like that?


49 posted on 08/22/2006 8:02:45 AM PDT by Hildy (Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will.)
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To: Huntress
Any system whether it be market based or government based is going to have what appears to be large numbers of anecdotal 'war stories.'  Using Moore's number of 45 million uninsured in America, that indicates that 260,000,000 are insured and to find 19,000 legitimately disgruntled people doesn't seem far fetched to me.

I'm sure if someone did a documentary in favor of the health industry, they could find millions of happy people.  This film is like Howard Dean asking the members of the DNC whether or not they like President Bush.


50 posted on 08/22/2006 8:04:47 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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