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A College Freshman History Text on the Stock Market Crash of 1987.
American: A Narrative History | 2004 | George Brown Tindall and David Shi

Posted on 08/22/2006 10:51:02 AM PDT by mcvey

A seeming epidemic of greed and self-absorbed materialism had spread through the country. Wall Street witnessed a rash of arrests and convictions . . . .

And more government officials, including Attorney General Edwin Meese, became entangled in the web of corruption. Commentators talked of a compulsive materialism energizing the . . . professionals dubbed “Yuppies.” Caught up in the race for money, goods, and status, these baby boomers in the fast lane captured the tone and mood of affluent life in the 1980s.

Then on October 19, 1987, the bill collector suddenly arrived at the nation’s doorstep.”

--snip—

“The Dow Jones industrial average plummeted . . . an astounding 22.6 percent.”

--snip—

What caused such a goring of the bull market?

--snip—

But most [analysts] agreed that the . . . problem was the nation’s spiraling indebtedness and chronically high trade deficits. Americans were consuming more than they were producing, importing the difference, and paying for with borrowed money . . . Foreign investors had lost confidence in Reaganomics and were no longer willing to finance America’s spending binge.

--snip—

For the first time, [Reagan] indicated that he was willing to include increased taxes in such a package. Yet the eventual compromise plan was so modest that it did little to restore investor confidence. As one Republican senator lamented: “There is a total lack of courage among those of us in the Congress to do what we all know has to be done.”

George Brown Tindall and David Shi, American A Narrative History (New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 2004) Brief Sixth Ed., pp. 1188-1189.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: economy; education; generationreagan; genx; highereducation; reagan; reagannation; students; textbooks
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So, Freepers, in examining a textbook to use in my Introduction to American History course, I ran into this and some other items about Reagan. This is not my era and I know many of you would be more up on this than I would. How correct is this (in whole or in part)?

McVey

1 posted on 08/22/2006 10:51:03 AM PDT by mcvey
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To: Born Conservative; kenth; CatoRenasci; Marie; PureSolace; Congressman Billybob; P.O.E.; cupcakes; ..

Education ping list
Let Republicanprofessor, McVey, JamesP81, or eleni121 know if you wish to be placed on this ping list or taken off of it.


2 posted on 08/22/2006 10:52:55 AM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: mcvey
Pity.
3 posted on 08/22/2006 10:52:59 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: mcvey

Automated sell programs made the problem several times worse than it should have been.


4 posted on 08/22/2006 10:53:18 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
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To: mcvey

No bias there, kiddies, move along!.........


5 posted on 08/22/2006 10:53:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: mcvey

How old are you that you can be a professor in a college and not be able to claim the 80s as an era which you are intimately aware of?


6 posted on 08/22/2006 10:55:00 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: SlowBoat407

That is covered in this sentence:

"Others blamed new computerized trading programs that distorted market activity and misled individual investors." p. 1188


7 posted on 08/22/2006 10:55:33 AM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: Red Badger

And note the prescription of that surefire fixall- the tax increase.


8 posted on 08/22/2006 10:55:44 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: mcvey

Sounds more like the '40's, '50's and 60's to me.

But what about that government corruption in the '90's? Worst ever.


9 posted on 08/22/2006 10:56:21 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: mcvey

All I know is the stock market crashed in 1987 when Steinbrenner announced that Billy Martin was coming back to manage the Yankees.


10 posted on 08/22/2006 10:56:35 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: mcvey

Quick before the semester starts: Paul Johnson's A History of the American People published by Harper Collins.

That should do it. Your students will thank you (and Johnson) for it.

Most of the rest is outright propaganda from the left.


11 posted on 08/22/2006 10:57:13 AM PDT by eleni121 (General Draza Mihailovich: We will never forget you - the hero of World War Two)
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To: coconutt2000

Dear CCNT2000:

I was already a professor when this happened. In fact I was driving to work listening to reports that day.

But I am not a specialist in this era and I do not have the Reagan presidency at my fingertips in the way that others do. I try to present a professional course to my students and would like to shoot this out of the sky since my recollection is that this is nonsense. But I am not an economist and do not have the data easily at hand.


12 posted on 08/22/2006 10:58:40 AM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: mcvey
But most [analysts] agreed that the . . . problem was the nation’s spiraling indebtedness and chronically high trade deficits. Americans were consuming more than they were producing, importing the difference, and paying for with borrowed money . . . Foreign investors had lost confidence in Reaganomics and were no longer willing to finance America’s spending binge.

That is, if most analysts have a few extra chromosomes.

The crash had a lot to do with the internal strucutures set up at the NYSE, including computer trading with no stop limits. The market acutally bounced back in a fairly big way THE NEXT TRADING DAY! And, for the record, the Dow was up at the end of '87 for the year.

13 posted on 08/22/2006 10:58:49 AM PDT by oldleft
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If "corruption" caused the 1987 crash, why did the boom resume soon after? While it was sudden, in percentage terms it was far from the worst postwar bear market.

Bubbles and their popping happen because of the introduction of radically new technologies. Everyone knows that the technology is promising in the aggregate, but no one yet knows how. That is what entrepreneurs have to sort out. In the 1980s the personal computer was worming its way into society, just as the Internet was in the late 1990s. (In the 1920s, another famous bubble, it was electricity, radio and cars.) In the 1980s the Reagan tax cuts unleashed a lot of stock-market experimentation, further pumping up the bubble. These are unavoidable events given certain kinds of technological developments.

The 1987 crash was arguably a momentary pause in a boom that has been going on for over 20 years.

14 posted on 08/22/2006 11:00:06 AM PDT by untenured
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To: eleni121

elenil121:

I don't have that option. We have a program where we agree on textbooks and then we all use them. I am trying to get the least nutty.


15 posted on 08/22/2006 11:00:12 AM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: oldleft

Thank you, old left, that is the type of data for which I was looking.


16 posted on 08/22/2006 11:01:07 AM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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Media Schadenfreude and Media Shenanigans PING

The 1990s were the decade of GREED, not the 1980s.


17 posted on 08/22/2006 11:01:58 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: mcvey

How do they come up with this crap?!

Let me guess, it goes on to say that "the worst economy since Hoover continued until America came to its senses and elected Clinton in 1992."

Does it say anywhere in this "textbook" that the Dow was up for the year at the end of 1987?

And what is this nonsense about foreign investors losing confidence? It was during this time and afterwards that the Japanese went on a spending binge and started paying unheard of prices for prime NYC and California properties and companies.


18 posted on 08/22/2006 11:02:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: untenured
Yes, Martin Anderson once showed me a graph depicting the prolonged rise of the stock market after the Reagan tax cuts.
19 posted on 08/22/2006 11:02:37 AM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: qam1

PING


20 posted on 08/22/2006 11:02:56 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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