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New Orleans rebuilding request...something to think about
Simple math plus Census data | Aug. 23, 2006 | Unknown

Posted on 08/23/2006 7:45:37 AM PDT by econjack

America : How Much is a Billion?

A Billion!!!!! Here's some thought provoking information -

The next time you hear a politician use the word "billion" in a casual manner, think about whether you want the "politicians" spending your tax money . A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising agency did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in one of its releases . . .

A billion seconds ago it was 1959... A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive... A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet... A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate our government is spending it.

While this thought is still fresh in our brain, let's take a look at New Orleans - It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division:

Louisiana Senator, Mary Landrieu (D), is presently asking the Congress for $250 BILLION to rebuild New Orleans . Interesting number...what does it mean?

(a) If you are one of 484,674 residents of New Orleans (every man, woman, child), you each get $516, 528

(b) Or, if you have one of the 188,251 homes in New Orleans, your home gets $1,329,787

(c) Or, if you are a family of four, your family gets $2,066,012.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: chat; landrieu; neworleans; nola; nolink; rebuildingno
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It's this kind of nonsense that makes me ask why the federal government is giving one red cent to the private sector in New Orleans. If you chose not to buy flood insurance for your home, you gambled and you lost...not my problem. If the federal gov't wants to restore its social overhead capital, that may be within the purvue of federal policy. All the rest of the problems are the compound result of inempt gov't by Nagin and perhaps the governor...their problem, not ours.
1 posted on 08/23/2006 7:45:38 AM PDT by econjack
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To: econjack

Please send me just a half a billion. OK, I would settle for 2.37 million but no less. Any less and I would feel repressed.


2 posted on 08/23/2006 7:49:04 AM PDT by shankbear
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To: shankbear

I'd happily take $100,000 and feel "repressed." (sic)


3 posted on 08/23/2006 7:52:14 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus

A couple of hundred bucks and a bottle of MD 20/20 would make a lot of folks really happy.


4 posted on 08/23/2006 7:54:33 AM PDT by shankbear
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To: econjack
DEFUND THE CORRUPT.

That which is subsidized, flourishes.
STOP feeding the corrupt animal that is Louisiana politics.
STOP feeding the lazy that won't work to feed themselves.

Pouring tax dollars into New Orleans is counterproductive..
If New Orleans can ATTRACT private investment, they deserve the chance to survive.
If they can't, they don't.
Pouring money into New Orleans at this point - is pouring money into a black hole..
Excuse me --- chocolate hole.

There are far too many places along the Gulf that deserve help more than does New Orleans.

Semper Fi
5 posted on 08/23/2006 7:57:29 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: shankbear

Hey, that $100,000 is just what's in my SS account 'lock box.' Just give that to me next year when I turn 62 and forget about my monthly checks. I'll just consider it a 40yr interest-free loan to the Gov't.


6 posted on 08/23/2006 7:58:19 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus; shankbear
Should read,"Just give that back to me..."
7 posted on 08/23/2006 7:59:35 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus

Investing in that sewerhole of a former city is a total waste of money. It is like bailing out the ocean with a bucket. Just relocate all the people at considerably less cost and let the sea reclaim that place. The environmental wackos would love to start the restoration of the delta right there at NOLA. It was a rathole before Katrina hit.


8 posted on 08/23/2006 8:04:05 AM PDT by shankbear
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To: econjack

Gimme, gimme more free money, whine, whine and more whine......


9 posted on 08/23/2006 8:12:29 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: econjack

We don't want to "cut and run" in Iraq, why are we so ready to "cut and run" in NOLA? Federal government built the levees to CAT 3 levels, and a CATT 3 storm destroyed them. Now they need to fix what they broke.


10 posted on 08/23/2006 8:15:08 AM PDT by nolaw0ady (come for the funeral, stay for the pie.)
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To: shankbear

Somehow I doubt that the amounts mentioned are going to be invested in NO. Now, the pockets of NO and LA politicians and insiders is another matter entirely.


11 posted on 08/23/2006 8:16:02 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: econjack
Al Gore must be wrong about the ocean rising and flooding lowlands.
12 posted on 08/23/2006 8:17:43 AM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: econjack

Gonna need a bigger freezer


13 posted on 08/23/2006 8:19:05 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: river rat; Roccus
Too much money dumped in NO will have a perverse influence. Government needs to take care that it does not encourage redevelopment in high risk flood prone areas.
14 posted on 08/23/2006 8:20:27 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: nolaw0ady

Your argument supports the absurdity of living below sea level in the first place, not why we should compound the error through repetition.


15 posted on 08/23/2006 8:22:25 AM PDT by delphirogatio
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To: nolaw0ady

Federal government built the levees to CAT 3 levels,



That is truly questionable, don'tcha think?


16 posted on 08/23/2006 8:27:48 AM PDT by deport
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To: delphirogatio

Sure we could move all the people out of southern Louisiana. That would definately fix the problem. Moving all the jews in Israel to Wisconsin or Montana would also fix the mid-east crisis. And attaching wings to frogs would prevent their asses from hitting the ground when they jumped. And placing everyone with HIV on the moon would cure the AIDS crisis.

Other countries are able to protect their cities from water, we can do it too.


17 posted on 08/23/2006 8:29:42 AM PDT by nolaw0ady (come for the funeral, stay for the pie.)
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To: nolaw0ady
How you like the heat up in the DFW area?... I was up there this past weekend and it is oppressive even if it is dry heat.
18 posted on 08/23/2006 8:29:44 AM PDT by deport
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To: deport

"How you like the heat up in the DFW area?... I was up there this past weekend and it is oppressive even if it is dry heat."

To me, after it hits 100 degrees it doesn't matter if it's a dry heat or not LOL
It's really nice here though. I think the heat starts to calm down by mid September or so. I remember thinking "wow this weather is awesome" when I first got here after katrina last year. It was in the low 90s with low humidity, which isn't bad at all to me.


19 posted on 08/23/2006 8:33:49 AM PDT by nolaw0ady (come for the funeral, stay for the pie.)
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To: econjack

I want some of that money.


20 posted on 08/23/2006 8:33:52 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: deport

I guess I should have put the word built in quotes :-)


21 posted on 08/23/2006 8:35:47 AM PDT by nolaw0ady (come for the funeral, stay for the pie.)
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To: econjack
More interesting math re: one billion:


22 posted on 08/23/2006 8:35:49 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: nolaw0ady

So, why are people ENTITLED to live in a place that is below sea level and further entitled to have the government aleviate the consequences of such a choice?

A frog indeed would not bump his @ss on every rock if it had wings. What it does not have is to right to demand that it be supplied with wings at someone else's expense because it wants to hop amongst the rocks.


23 posted on 08/23/2006 8:36:31 AM PDT by delphirogatio
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
"Government needs to take care that it does not encourage redevelopment in high risk flood prone areas."

There is a solution...
Blow all the levees..
Allow the water to return to "natural levels".
Eliminate the low lying areas, where the "lowlifes" thrived.

Semper Fi

24 posted on 08/23/2006 8:37:58 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: delphirogatio

I saw an interesting report yesterday on how the construction industry is BOOMing in Mississippi - how they are busy building and rebuilding making their coastal cities even better than before. Funny how it's the democrat conrolled LA and New Orleans officials who spend all their time complaining instead of coming up with viable plans for their city.


25 posted on 08/23/2006 8:44:27 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: nolaw0ady

You mean give money to a government like this?..

FBI investigating donated cars (Louisiana)
nola.com ^ | 07/07/06 | Gordon Russell

FBI starts probe of donated autos :

When carmaker DaimlerChrysler AG donated 40 trucks and sport utility vehicles to Katrina-crushed governments in southeastern Louisiana last September, company officials never imagined some of them would wind up in the hands of private nonprofits.
In fact, the company said Thursday that it made clear to the cities and parishes that received the gifts -- collectively valued at more than $1 million -- that they were for the exclusive use of public agencies or government units, such as police and fire departments. Dave Elshoff, a DaimlerChrysler spokesman, said those instructions were delivered, both verbally and in writing, to then New Orleans City Councilwoman Renee Gill Pratt, who signed for 20 of the cars when they were delivered to Baton Rouge.
Yet eight months later, Gill Pratt would arrange for the donation of four cars to two nonprofits to which she has close ties -- donations that on Thursday, four days after they were disclosed, led City Council members to call for the cars to be returned to the city and the local head of the FBI to announce a criminal probe of the matter.
In the case of Gill Pratt's donations, the city attorney's office prepared cooperative endeavor agreements with Care Unlimited and Orleans Metropolitan Housing. The president of the second group is Mose Jefferson, brother of Bill Jefferson. The agreements were all signed by Mayor Ray Nagin.


and this?..

WILSON ASKS U.S. ATTORNEY TO INVESTIGATE JUNK CAR DEAL
thedeadpelican ^ | March 22, 2006

The Times Picayune reported today that seeking a contract to remove thousands of flooded and wrecked cars from New Orleans, Mayor Ray Nagin's administration recommended that the city go with the highest quoted price for the job, a review of the 14 proposals submitted last year shows (see entire article here) .
The Times Picayune reported that the chosen proposal, a $1,000-per-car bid from Colorado-based CH2M Hill, was nearly triple the cost of at least three other bids, records showed.
The New Orleans paper read that the gap between CH2M Hill and the other companies cannot be precisely ascertained, because not every proposal included a price, and some of those that did listed tasks that others did not.
In a statement issued today by her press office, Mayoral candidate Peggy Wilson had some harsh words for Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco.
“It has become quite apparent that neither the Mayor nor the Governor is willing to issue an executive order to put an end to this insane idea of paying $1000 per car, $23 million to remove the abandoned vehicles from our streets," Wilson Said.
"I issued a news release on Monday calling upon these two to stop this deal," said Wilson.
"No response brought another article today," said Wilson.
"Due to this lack of response, I call upon the office of the U.S. Attorney today to thoroughly investigate this deal to determine if the issue suggests corruption and immediately move to stop the contract."
"Something is drastically wrong here in New Orleans; dumb and/or corrupt government is killing our city. The nation is watching, congress is watching, we have got to get it right and get it right now.”


26 posted on 08/23/2006 8:47:08 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: princess leah

One year later they are busy organizing and raising funds, also asking for more government money. 9th Ward, per C-Spam yesterday.


27 posted on 08/23/2006 8:48:54 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: delphirogatio

I don't think that people are entitled to free houses or anything like that. I just feel that the government has a duty to protect those that already live there. Especially since the previous level of protection did not work as advertised.


28 posted on 08/23/2006 8:53:55 AM PDT by nolaw0ady (come for the funeral, stay for the pie.)
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To: river rat

Is it your position that there should be no man made barriers or protections against nature anywhere? No seawalls on the coast? No dams to hold back water? No barriers or walls of any kind to hold back landslides or rockslides? Just blow em all and let nature take it's course?


29 posted on 08/23/2006 8:55:08 AM PDT by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: Vinnie

that's what we call "naturally nawlins" lol


30 posted on 08/23/2006 8:56:11 AM PDT by nolaw0ady (come for the funeral, stay for the pie.)
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To: econjack
I've seen this nonsense posted before. It's so simplistic it's embarrassing. The 250 billion number thrown out there by Landrieu early on was not going to happen and nobody took it seriously. Even allowing that it was serious, it assumes that every cent goes to the people ONLY in New Orleans. It also assumes that nothing goes to infrastructure repair or overhead to FEMA or other agencies managing the recovery.

It makes for good bashing material for those so inclined but other than that it's pretty meaningless.
31 posted on 08/23/2006 9:34:47 AM PDT by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: nolaw0ady

So what did the Levee Boards do with all that money the Federal Taxpayers gave to them to fix the levees?


32 posted on 08/23/2006 9:38:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: nolaw0ady
Federal government built the levees to CAT 3 levels, and a CATT 3 storm destroyed them. Now they need to fix what they broke.

Over the years, it's the local NOLA politicos that squandered levy money - which had indeed flowed to the area. Once again, the blame needs to be placed where it belongs: Locally

33 posted on 08/23/2006 9:41:11 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: dfwgator

I have no idea. My home was flooded by Mr. Go, not the New Orleans levees. People have been trying to get that thing closed for years. I'm proud to say that I've never voted in an Orleans Parish election. Needless to say I didn't vote for Bank-oh either. Though my local rep is a democrat (Charlie Melancon) he's done a very good job prior to and since the storm. Although you could say a Chalmette democrat is more conservative than most northern republicans lol


34 posted on 08/23/2006 9:54:31 AM PDT by nolaw0ady (come for the funeral, stay for the pie.)
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To: ErnBatavia

Agreed. Hopefully people will keep paying attention once the levees are fixed. I think going so many years without a big storm, people stopped paying attention to the levee board corruption.


35 posted on 08/23/2006 9:56:19 AM PDT by nolaw0ady (come for the funeral, stay for the pie.)
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To: WatchOutForSnakes
Not at all..
I'm simply attempting to be RATIONAL, an infrequent attribute for folks who think the Federal Government should finance their bad decisions, self destructive choices, and general sloth or insanity.

New Orleans is unique...

The cost of sustaining the lecherous non productive portions of the city and the corruption, is far beyond the value returned..

The "cost vs benefit" is certainly not there, where New Orleans is concerned.

In fact, if an environmental impact analysis and approval had to be secured before rebuilding much of the BELOW SEA LEVEL portions of New Orleans -- I'd bet they couldn't get it approved.

They shouldn't.

Semper Fi
36 posted on 08/23/2006 10:03:30 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: econjack

Do you have a citation for the Landrieu aid request?


37 posted on 08/23/2006 11:11:56 AM PDT by Venator
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To: econjack

Mary Landrieu (D), is presently asking the Congress for $250 BILLION to rebuild New Orleans .

To even consider this is outrageous. To even consider rebuilding New Orleans is outrageous. The area has always been a catastrophy waiting to happen, it is now and it will be in the future. To throw money at that area is utterly ridiculous. For government to insure what insurance companies won't touch is outrageous. At some point someone has to hold people accountable for their decisions to live in areas that are dangerous and likely to be wiped out sooner or later.


38 posted on 08/23/2006 11:48:10 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: nolaw0ady

Now they need to fix what they broke.

Why?


39 posted on 08/23/2006 11:50:18 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: nolaw0ady

Other countries are able to protect their cities from water, we can do it too.

We can but it's foolish to do so. Why should taxpayers bail out an area like New Orleans knowing the dangers involved. If private citizens and private investors want to do it, fine. But don't expect me to bail reckless people out for building in areas even insurance companies won't touch. If private industry won't bail them out why should we be expected to?


40 posted on 08/23/2006 11:54:45 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: nolaw0ady
Federal government built the levees to CAT 3 levels, and a CATT 3 storm destroyed them. Now they need to fix what they broke.

The federal government contracted with local NO contractors to build the levees to the Cat III standard. The local contractors ignored the standard, failed to meet the obligations of the contract, diverted money elsewhere, and therefore were responsible for the breaking of the levees. The federal government doesn't build anything. They only hire people to build.

And they (the feds) didn't break anything, the hurricane and subsequent flooding broke the levees. You're not claiming the feds dynamited the levees deliberately are you?

41 posted on 08/23/2006 12:00:39 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: delphirogatio
"What it does not have is to right to demand that it be supplied with wings at someone else's expense because it wants to hop amongst the rocks."

LOL! That's a good one.

Carolyn

42 posted on 08/23/2006 12:04:37 PM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: WatchOutForSnakes

good bashing material for those so inclined but other than that it's pretty meaningless.

Getting ripped off by crooked politicians in New Orleans is not meaningless. Using taxpayer funds to rebuild New Orleans when private industry shuns investment there is not meaningless. Building in areas where insurance companies won't insure isn't meaningless. Reimbursing repetitive losses over and over again (Gulf Coast beach property)is not meaningless. A person can build a 250,000 house right on the beach and after each hurrican can collect that amount from the government and rebuild in the same spot again even though no insurance company will insure it. Are we being taken for a ride or what?

I say no to rebuilding New Orleans. It's time we stop getting ripped off by irresponsible and crooked local governments.


43 posted on 08/23/2006 12:06:31 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Joan Kerrey

Oh don't worry, I don't expect YOU to do anything. If it makes you feel better just pretend that the taxes that YOU pay are going to Iraq, your local library, and your local schools. Problem solved.


44 posted on 08/23/2006 12:10:29 PM PDT by nolaw0ady (come for the funeral, stay for the pie.)
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To: econjack

I had no idea there were so many chickshit pussy people on this site. Hopefully this post is enough to get my account closed, because the people on this site are worthless do-nothings. Bye assholes!


45 posted on 08/23/2006 12:13:23 PM PDT by nolaw0ady (come for the funeral, stay for the pie.)
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To: econjack

Let's ask Hizb'allah. They seem to be throwing around a lot of rebuilding money.


46 posted on 08/23/2006 12:15:11 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
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To: Joan Kerrey

Excellent rant. Unfortunately, it is totally "meaningless" to my point about the dollars discussed in the original post. Those are fun figures to play with but "meaningless" because they are totally inaccurate.

I say NO to "outrageous" and "meaningless" comments. If you care to defend the dollar breakdown discussed in the original post as being accurate then have at it. Your comments may have some merit but not in response to my comments about the figures used in the first post.


47 posted on 08/23/2006 12:21:22 PM PDT by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: nolaw0ady
"Hopefully this post is enough to get my account closed, because the people on this site are worthless do-nothings. Bye assholes!"

Jeeeeeez, and I thought you loved us!!!

48 posted on 08/23/2006 12:38:52 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: nolaw0ady
Federal government built the levees to CAT 3 levels, and a CATT 3 storm destroyed them. Now they need to fix what they broke.

I think that's being done. As I said in my post, rebuilding social overhead capital in most cases is a proper function of gov't. Rebuilding private property is not. In my mind, the federal gov't has no business being in the insurance, banking, transportation, postal, or energy business. (There are others, too.)

49 posted on 08/23/2006 9:50:33 PM PDT by econjack
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To: TChris
Or, another way of looking at it, if you were given $1 billion on your 20th birthday, you could spend $10,683 an hour, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year and not run out of cash until your 65th birthday.

And that assumes you didn't put the unpaid balance in an interest-bearing asset. If you did that, you wouldn't live long enough to spend it all at that same rate!

50 posted on 08/23/2006 9:53:43 PM PDT by econjack
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